What if?

[cee-dee]

OK, so no-one wants to argue any more but what if.........................

A couple of years back referendum was called about either staying in or leaving the EU and the majority voted to leave. Since then arguments have raged back and forth and the remainers are agitating for another referendum.

What if they had another vote and this time the result was to remain BUT, then the leavers started agitating for another making claims for this, that or the other? Would the remainers claim "We had a democratic vote so that's that, we remain IN".

We had a democratic vote before though? The result of that was to LEAVE so if a second vote went the other way would any notice be taken of leavers wanting yet another?? If not, why not?

Shouldn't a vote on something be IT as regards any result not a cause for those who didn't like the result to agitate for another? Where does it end?

By that reckoning it could result in a parliamentry vote for a constituency which ended in a close vote for one person then having those opposed to then claim it was "close" so they demand another go? How many "go's" do you want?

[astrologica]

You are right CeeDee...the EU can't afford to give us a good deal. If they did, then three or four other countries would leave within a year or two and then the whole project would fall apart. We should walk away , even without a deal.

[cee-dee]

I've said that from the earliest times. = Leave first, "negotiate" afterwards.

[upthecreekyetagain]

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@cee-dee wrote:

I've said that from the earliest times. = Leave first, "negotiate" afterwards.

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And what do we do whilst those negotiations are ongoing? - starve, run out of medicines, let our industries run out of parts, find our pension funds run out of cash, holidays are cancelled, ex-pats return home, lose contracts connected to joint enterprises - then there’s the electricity, gas and oil imports.

I don’t think you’ve thought that one through!

[upthecreekyetagain]

The alternative of course is to have a transition period whilst all those things are sorted out - a transition period during which not only does much of our relationship with the EU continue but one that also gives us the freedom to negotiate deals, supplies, labour, food and medicines etc with nations outside of the EU.

Hang on, that sounds very much like the ‘deal’ negotiated by TM.

[cee-dee]

I think that's just scare-mongering. Things get bought and sold between the EU and non-member states without over-complicated and deliberately hindering "negotiations".

The EU will just be "awkward" with the UK at the start no matter what.

[upthecreekyetagain]

Of course goods, services and people move between the EU and the rest of the World under terms worked out between the various nations and the EU.  I would challenge you though to find a single trade deal that was negotiated in a matter of days or weeks which would be the requirement if there is no transition period. 

I don’t know of a single party or politician that is suggesting we leave with no deal and no transition period.

[cee-dee]

So what are these "deals" supposed to entail then?

An example of existing trade deals is Turkey/UK. That agreement runs until the end of 2020.

So what other countries outside the EU will need a "new" deal? How about you giving a list including all that will "end" when we leave the EU, deal or no deal?

[mikes*corvettes]

Who wants a bet that once TM leaves or is ejected from office after a short mourning period she will be given a high paid low hours job in the eu project.

As a thank you for hashing Brexit.

I'm offering odds of 1/200 on.

[upthecreekyetagain]

I am not aware that we have any trade deal with Turkey outside of that negotiated via the EU.  Customs Union rules prohibit members from making bi-lateral deals with countries outside the EU.

We are apparently holding talks with Turkey for a potential future trade deal

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkey-uk-to-intensify-talks-for-post-brexit-free-trade-deal-132021

[upthecreekyetagain]

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@mikes*corvettes wrote:

Who wants a bet that once TM leaves or is ejected from office after a short mourning period she will be given a high paid low hours job in the eu project.

As a thank you for hashing Brexit.

I'm offering odds of 1/200 on.

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Who cares

[upthecreekyetagain]

The UK, (like all other EU members), cannot make bilateral trade deals with any other country.

The list you requested therefore consists of every non-EU country in the World as well as the EU itself if we wish to trade with any of its members.

[mikes*corvettes]

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@upthecreekyetagain wrote:

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@mikes*corvettes wrote:

Who wants a bet that once TM leaves or is ejected from office after a short mourning period she will be given a high paid low hours job in the eu project.

As a thank you for hashing Brexit.

I'm offering odds of 1/200 on.

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Who cares

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Most grown ups with a mind of their own.

[upthecreekyetagain]

Why?

[upthecreekyetagain]

Looks like the amendment to the Brexit Bill put forward by Hilary Benn may get support from all quarters.

In other news, Nigel Farage has quit UKIP because it’s too extremist.  

[astrologica]

What's funny about that Creeks?

[upthecreekyetagain]

Have you not seen the numerous defences of UKIP claiming they aren’t racist nor extreme?

I think it’s tragically funny that their former leader has taken this long to recognise the truth.

[baybizz]

How The EU Really Works For You!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RK6A1HUUhE4&t=4s

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[astrologica]

There is nothing funny about it at all. Mr Farage has taken a look at the party he helped found and sees that the direction it is heading in is not to his liking. It seems that you are inferring in some kind of way that the party has always been what you term 'racist' or 'extreme'. Have you ever been to a party meeting? I very much doubt it. Every party has it's extremists..and indeed racists. You only to have to take a look at what is loosely described as the Labour Party at the moment to see that. The anti-semitism that is rife in that party is disgraceful. There is a difference, granted, between racism, and the persecution and hatred of a particular group of religious people, but the underlying hatred is the same. If you want to find racism, you can find it in most parties. Like most people who voted remain, who were absolutely terrified by the popularity of UKIP at the time of the referendum, you have jumped on that tired old bandwagon and inferred that all UKIP supporters are racists. Most UKIP supporters are anti-immigration and not racist. They are concerned about the volume of immigration..the sky high numbers which are ever increasing. They have done the math, and are wondering how the hell this country will cope in years to come. So please do not refer to UKIP supporters, who in the past have included myself, as racists. That is offensive.

[upthecreekyetagain]

Yet another claim that UKIP isn’t a racist or extreme party!

P.S.  There is a difference between saying a party is racist and the supporters of that party are racist.  They could just as easily be delusional.

[j_uk643]

 .. a mind of their own?

So not those who lift their stories from Notverybrightbart, or infoflaws then?

Or is Theresa May responsible for global warming, the fire on the USS Forrestal and the Turkish partition of Cyprus? 

Things you learn on t'internet

That nice Mr Farage allied himself with some shady groups in Europe, some that seemed to have positive views about Anders Breivik for example

When questioned on it, he said 'well, sometimes you have to do deals with such people'. Fact is he didn't. He wanted their numbers to claim European money, some of it went to fund his own expenditure allegedly