10-06-2014 7:25 PM
Well... what do you think of it so far?
As the PM backs drive for 'British values'.
Plans for schools to promote ''British values'' are likely to have ''overwhelming support'' of people in the UK, the prime minister has said. David Cameron said he hoped Education Secretary Michael Goves proposals for England would be''inculcated into the curriculum in any school in Britain''. He was speaking amid concerns about Islamists takeover in Birmingham schools - the so-called Trojan Horse claims.
Mr Gove said he wanted democracy, mutual respect and tolerance taught. Well so do most of us. We tolerate you and May.
Religion has no place in our schools. The priority is to teach based on facts and equality, not some sky fairy the teachers or parents wish to believe in. We have already seen the boys seated at the front and the girls at the back. That's a bad start. I wonder what's next?
10-06-2014 7:28 PM
am I missing something...what has this got to do with ebay?
10-06-2014 7:47 PM
@jenypeny1991 wrote:am I missing something...what has this got to do with ebay?
This is a Discussion Board were we talk about anything we want too.. You dont have to join in if you dont want too.
10-06-2014 8:12 PM
@jenypeny1991 wrote:am I missing something...what has this got to do with ebay?
You are unaware you are on a discussion board? Oh really? As Tommy say's at post 3 this IS a discussion board.
10-06-2014 8:26 PM
10-06-2014 8:26 PM
10-06-2014 9:12 PM
When a Dam bursts, it starts with the smallest of cracks............if you don't want to fix it ,when it's easy to fix, then you better learn how to swim.
10-06-2014 10:20 PM
10-06-2014 11:21 PM
@merehazle wrote:
Well... what do you think of it so far?
As the PM backs drive for 'British values'.
Plans for schools to promote ''British values'' are likely to have ''overwhelming support'' of people in the UK, the prime minister has said. David Cameron said he hoped Education Secretary Michael Goves proposals for England would be''inculcated into the curriculum in any school in Britain''. He was speaking amid concerns about Islamists takeover in Birmingham schools - the so-called Trojan Horse claims.
Mr Gove said he wanted democracy, mutual respect and tolerance taught. Well so do most of us. We tolerate you and May.
Religion has no place in our schools. The priority is to teach based on facts and equality, not some sky fairy the teachers or parents wish to believe in. We have already seen the boys seated at the front and the girls at the back. That's a bad start. I wonder what's next?
I don't normally come on here - and was surprised to see this topic raised. Read what I say and believe it or not - it's all true!
Back in the 1990's wife worked in what was described as a 'Reception Centre' in Birmingham. In those days we did not have the volume of immigrants into this country that we do now. The government set up reception centres to deal with newly arrived immigrants to deal with their education.The school was called the Cherrywood Centre.
She taught what would have been the first Afghans to arrive in this country, these young men boys boasted of having killed Russian soldiers. There were many muslim faith students and the stories she often came home to me with were worrying.
Young girls that were sent to school in awful condition, one had a broken arm and yet her father had sent her to school. My wife had to arrange for her to go to hospital. Others who were filthy and she had to arrange to wash their clothes while they were at school. Girls who would be there one week and gone the next - for different reasons. Some sent to their home countries to be put into forced arranged marrages which they did not want. Others were taken by other youths and put into prostitution so the families disowned them and they just disappeared without trace.
On one occasion she told me of seeing a student who was supposed to be 15 getting into a school of motoring car after school to take driving lessons. He did have a full beard, which was not unusual, but as she often said the families wanted them to be old enough to cllect child allowance, but these kids wanted to behave like young adults - which is what they were.
Girls were not allowed to have sex education, it was frowned upon, the girls were in separate playgrounds to the boys even back then.
The biggest insult for me was when one day she came home and told me the 'Mullahs' had made one of their many visits to the school to check everything was acceptable to them, she was introduced and she held her hand out to shake the mans hand - only to be totally ignored because she was a woman! There was considerable pressure back then for these schools to become muslim only schools - so if it happened then, work it out for yourself if its true now!
The centre was closed towards the end of the nineties - it is now the Al-Hijrah school.
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11-06-2014 8:41 AM
"I wonder why it is we have to accommodate all these different faiths cos I'm sure if we went to live in a different country we would have to fit in with them & the way they live ."
It is not about having to accommodate it is about being willing to accommodate which in my opinion is a position preferable to not tollerating anything other than your own faith! The reason we tollerate where others may not is because we are morally superior!
Personally, given the choice, I wouldn't tollerate any faith; for me their is no place for it in schools and faith/religion holds far too high a value within society!
11-06-2014 8:59 AM
My personal view on all this is not that the schools in question have been targetted by radical groups but that situations have developed due to circumstances, perhaps inevitably.
I do believe that these schools are likely to have performed rather well academically, that the original Ofsted reports that rated some as Excellent were probably spot on as far as academic achievement was concerned. I know in the area I live that a Muslim school has often been the top performer in the achievement tables.
So, take a school where 90 plus percent of the pupils are Muslim, from Muslim families and communities; you don't have to introduce an agenda of Islamification for the school to slowly but surely edge in that direction. Girls & boys discouraged from close interaction, prayer encouraged, the teaching of Islam taking precident over other faiths. The kids are going home to communities where all these things are upheld and encouraged, it's almost inevitable that such a school will show signs of practices that may be regarded as inappropriate in a secular educational establishment.
Now whether some members of the community have taken advantage of this and found a path of little resistance to impart their own ideologies; on boards of governors or other influential positions, perhaps this is the case; but I'd suggest much of what we see is a natural occurance which has developed because we haven't been looking for it, it has been out of focus.
Now is the time to bring things back into focus and proceed as appropriate.
11-06-2014 9:56 AM
Yes, as you say: ''believe it or not - its all true ''. Well, why would you lie? I should have thought that story might be researched. But as we hear so many similar stories why bother really?
'You were surprised to see this topic raised' Well we are supposed to be a democracy. Ask the politicians, because it is for THEM.
Any way, this 'Trojan Horse' row: Gove, has fragmented our schooling system even more. We need ALL state supported schools (including faith and academies) to follow ONE curriculum. If they want to do anything else, well, they can raise the funds themselves.
I like most don't want my taxes to be used to indulge those that want to segregate themselves from the rest of us.
Yes, Astro #5: ''Anjem Choudry saying on TV that the aim of his organisation was to see the flag of Islam hanging over Downing Street''. And this man would not condemn the killing of Lee Rigby. And the media give IT (him) air time. I would give him air time hanging over Downing Street.
11-06-2014 10:54 AM - edited 11-06-2014 10:55 AM
I detect that you (like my wife) are just a little anti-Gove. Believe me there is so much more that the general public are oblivious to that it is just frightening!
My wife now teaches at another school where there are 16 different nationalities. English is put at the top of the governments list of priorities - as it should be!!! However how do you teach English to so many different nationalities who don't speak a word, at the same time as her having no knowledge of their language? About 3 months ago I had to google translate several items for her into 3 languages to give her a chance of putting a lesson together. Her school is expected to have a certain level of success in English exams - just not possible! Unless of course you rig the figures!
She tells me of Roumanian kids who are little better than feral, they have no experience of schooling and will frequently just get up and leave. The whole family will sometimes be in that area one week and be gone the next. They swear at her in their own language and show women complete contempt. There is a racial war brewing between Asians and the new migrants because they hate each other. One of the courses she was on last year was to show her how to deal with fights between students - as she said to me afterwards 'Dream on if you think I'm getting involved'!
About 5 years ago there was a member of staff who was responsible for newly arrived families and their integration into school life. He told her "you know Diane, there is not a single student here who does not have one or more family members who have come to use the health service". We wonder why th health service is bending under the strain!
There are some lovely kids amongst these migrants - some good families, but the greater majority are here for what they can get for free.
She was not trained as a teacher to deal with this - Michael Gove ought to try it, but he only goes to selected schools!
She has recently resigned because 'she's had enough', taking her pension before some other government does - another good teacher gone!
11-06-2014 11:50 AM
11-06-2014 1:02 PM
I like Judy ! She knows a "D***head" when She sees one and tells them so, in no uncertain terms.
11-06-2014 3:05 PM
She wants to see something,,, i could say what but i wont!!.
08-08-2014 10:11 AM
@electric*mayhem*band wrote:
@jenypeny1991 wrote:am I missing something...what has this got to do with ebay?
Well.... Perhaps this update might get the same reaction? We are talking about ''nurseries'' here. What on earth next? And it's not about what you have the ''choice'' to learn as YOU learn about life. But what you MUST learn and really MUST accept. To hell with individualism.
Anyway... The Education Secretary Nicky Morgan will use her first major speech to highlight the danger of extremism in Britain's nurseries after ''Trojan Horse'' scandal.
She will say nurseries are at risk of being taken over by religious extremists, and will warn as she announces that toddlers are to be taught fundamental British value's. And that authorities will be obliged to use new powers to strip the nurseries of their funding if they are found to promote extremists views.
She will also say that toddlers should be taught fundamental British values in an age-appropriate way as part of a drive to protect children from religious radicals. And nurseries that teach creationism as a scientific fact will be ineligible for taxpayer funding, under the new rules.
08-08-2014 11:34 AM
My Grandson ( two & a half ) & My Granddaughter ( 5 ) Jump on Me and beat me up ( friendly of course ) We wrestle around on the floor, I chase them around ( putting on My best monster voice ) and they run squealing in different directions all around the House. My Granddaughter asks me questions and I give her answers, honestly and truthfully. I don't teach them about the Koran, or Muslim fundamentalism, or about the Christian crusades...............in fact religion doesn't crop up in our conversations at all. God may pop up now and again, as in "Who is He"......."Where is he"........"why can't we see him" etc. etc. That's a more difficult one to answer, but I do my best. Whatever religion they adopt, they'll adopt it in their own good time and undoubtedly after many years of reasoning things out, looking at things and coming to their own conclusions.........NOT because they've been taught it ( probably with some degree of bias involved ,because of where they are at the time ). What the Hell happened to just plain old growing up, being a Kid, having Fun and learning not to punch, kick, scratch, bite etc.etc.................but just play nice.
09-08-2014 5:04 PM
@merehazle wrote:We are peaceful people and I for one don't like hate crimes
LOL Says someone whose deranged rantings are barely distinguishable from Anders Behring Breivik's.
11-08-2014 6:46 AM - edited 11-08-2014 6:48 AM
Try and bring up Sectarian schooling in Scotland or Northern Ireland, and you'll be branded a bigot
It is no go area , the Catholic church is allowed to keep it's kids segregated and All of us pay extra for the privilege
One organisation is allowed to discriminate against other religions and thats the RC school system, where non catholic teachers (if they can get a job there at all) can be blocked for advancement, because of their religion by the Church authorities.
It's not just the Kids who are segregated, check this story about a new school, where even though they share resources, the catholic kids are kept away from the non-denominational pupils. AT ALL TIMES, including separate playgrounds
BUT this wasn't enough for Archbishop Philip Tartaglia, he demanded secret meetings with Dunbartonshire Council, where he threatened to scupper the whole project unless ===
Teachers in the town are dismayed that His Grace has ducked out of the controversy over the siting of the new Our Lady and St Patrick’s High School in Bellsmyre.
They are particularly angry, too, over decisions taken at secret meetings between the archdiocese and West Dunbartonshire Council.
These were in relation to the single campus primary school which is also about to be built in Bellsmyre to replace St Peter’s and Aitkenbar.
Teachers and parents are furious that the archdiocese has insisted that the staff be kept apart and that two separate staff rooms – one for Catholics and one for non-Catholics – must be part of the new complex.
Their dismay is shared with the parents of Aitkenbar, who have expressed their unhappiness publicly at the fact that the children will go into the new school through separate entrances.
There will be one entrance for Catholic pupils and one for Protestants and children of other denominations and none.