This unfolding tragedy around Europe

[fallen-archie]

We pay politicians to act on our behalf, throughout Europe and the rest of the developed world the plight of those fleeing war, famine, religious persecution etc is being ignored. Surely it is not beyond the realms of sensibility for us to expect, even demand a collective humane response by the international community to agree action in those countries where terrorists reign. Allowing and encouraging the victims to flee is wrong, they deserve and should be given the right to live peacefully where they were born and like the rest of us have the freedom to travel abroad and see other cultures. The Russians and Chinese stand by and watch while quietly selling weapons to these terrorists. The west interfered yet never considered the impact they would have. It is time the UN grew up and did what it was formed to do.

[bookhunter2007]

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@jd.linklater wrote:

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@bookhunter2007 wrote:

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@mikes*corvettes wrote:

"Many migrants have been refusing to register in countries such as Greece or Hungary, fearing it will stop them being granted asylum in Germany or other EU states."

Hmm..wonder what their reasoning behind this is.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34239674

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Who knows? It's a worrying situation when news like this becomes secondary:

"On Sunday, Greek coastguards said at least 34 people, including 11 children, drowned when a boat carrying about 100 migrants capsized off the island of Farmakonisi in the southern Aegean Sea."

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It's worrying when news like this becomes secondary too. Is this what the UK and the rest of Europe have to look forward to as a result of this influx? Turks and Kurds, rival factions of the same religion battling each other on our streets. Is the same going to happen with other rival groups? Will we see similar outbreaks between Shia and Sunni Muslims when they are here in large numbers? Like I said in an earlier post there are far too many unknowns in this situation.

I don't usually post links from the Daily Mail but this isn't being widely reported by the rest of the British Press, I wonder why?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2784809/Now-ISIS-clashes-spread-Europe-Riot-police-separate-...

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That's because your link is dated October 2014.

Anyway, i'm on team Kurd in that instance. I would assume (and hope) most of RT are too. I've often seen the claim "Muslims don't stand up to the extremists", so it would seem pretty hypocritical to condemn the Kurds for standing up to ISIS and their fanboys.

There's a family of Kurds who run the kebab shop at the bottom of our road. They seem like nice folks, who have never caused any conflict or disturbances - I can't say the same for the occasional larger lout outside though.

[mikes*corvettes]

Not that many unknowns, this latest picture from Germany shows not 1, not 2 but 3 ISIS flags.

Heck this lot haven't even been granted asylum and they're already flying the flag.

God help any host country that accepts them.

[bookhunter2007]

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@mikes*corvettes wrote:

Not that many unknowns, this latest picture from Germany shows not 1, not 2 but 3 ISIS flags.

Heck this lot haven't even been granted asylum and they're already flying the flag.

God help any host country that accepts them.

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"Latest"? It's from 2012.

[mikes*corvettes]

Of course it is dear boy, of course it is.

[bookhunter2007]

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@mikes*corvettes wrote:

Of course it is dear boy, of course it is.

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Are you going to provide a link to the page where the original image is from then?

[jd.linklater]

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@bookhunter2007 wrote:

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@jd.linklater wrote:

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@bookhunter2007 wrote:

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@mikes*corvettes wrote:

"Many migrants have been refusing to register in countries such as Greece or Hungary, fearing it will stop them being granted asylum in Germany or other EU states."

Hmm..wonder what their reasoning behind this is.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34239674

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Who knows? It's a worrying situation when news like this becomes secondary:

"On Sunday, Greek coastguards said at least 34 people, including 11 children, drowned when a boat carrying about 100 migrants capsized off the island of Farmakonisi in the southern Aegean Sea."

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It's worrying when news like this becomes secondary too. Is this what the UK and the rest of Europe have to look forward to as a result of this influx? Turks and Kurds, rival factions of the same religion battling each other on our streets. Is the same going to happen with other rival groups? Will we see similar outbreaks between Shia and Sunni Muslims when they are here in large numbers? Like I said in an earlier post there are far too many unknowns in this situation.

I don't usually post links from the Daily Mail but this isn't being widely reported by the rest of the British Press, I wonder why?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2784809/Now-ISIS-clashes-spread-Europe-Riot-police-separate-...

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That's because your link is dated October 2014.

Anyway, i'm on team Kurd in that instance. I would assume (and hope) most of RT are too. I've often seen the claim "Muslims don't stand up to the extremists", so it would seem pretty hypocritical to condemn the Kurds for standing up to ISIS and their fanboys.

There's a family of Kurds who run the kebab shop at the bottom of our road. They seem like nice folks, who have never caused any conflict or disturbances - I can't say the same for the occasional larger lout outside though.

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I posted that link because it was the only one I could find from a European news site, as I said it is not being widely reported. Clashes between Turks and Kurds in European cities have been a regular occurence since at least 2011. The Middle East press seem to be more forthcoming, this is from yesterday's leading Turkish newspaper.

http://rudaw.net/english/world/13092015

If you read the whole article you will see that the lead story is not an isolated incident and the problem isn't confined to Germany.

[bookhunter2007]

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@jd.linklater wrote:

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I posted that link because it was the only one I could find from a European news site, as I said it is not being widely reported. Clashes between Turks and Kurds in European cities have been a regular occurence since at least 2011. The Middle East press seem to be more forthcoming, this is from yesterday's leading Turkish newspaper.

http://rudaw.net/english/world/13092015

If you read the whole article you will see that the lead story is not an isolated incident and the problem isn't confined to Germany.

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I've been saying Europe has a massive problem with the Far-Right for ages. Front National, Jobbik, Sweden Democrats, Geert Wilders, Breivik, I could go on. Danger with extremism and nationalism is that it usually has a cumulative effect, especially when dimwits conflate ISIS headbangers with ordinary Muslims, and Muslims become radicalised by conflating EDL headbangers with your average white Westerner..

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/may/23/woolwich-attack-far-right-three-points

[mikes*corvettes]

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@bookhunter2007 wrote:

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@mikes*corvettes wrote:

Of course it is dear boy, of course it is.

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Are you going to provide a link to the page where the original image is from then?

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I can most certainly post a link to prove my post.

But the question is can you post a link to prove your post.

Oh and incidentally people in glass houses shouldn't call others dimwits.

[bookhunter2007]

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@mikes*corvettes wrote:

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I can most certainly post a link to prove my post.

But the question is can you post a link to prove your post.

Oh and incidentally people in glass houses shouldn't call others dimwits.

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When I used the word "dimwit", I was generically referring to anyone who is dim-witted enough to conflate ISIS and "ordinary Muslims". If you wish to self-assess yourself as such, then so be it..

Freudian slips aside, as for the link - I found it on what appears to be a "guns n god" type's website - so do forgive me for breaking it:

https://counte

rjihadnews.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/bonnstreetriots1.png

RE: "glass houses", you may have a point. I can be very dim-witted when it comes to certain things. e.g My daughter often beats me at wii tennis. However, I have also worked for counter-extremism think-tanks in the past, so you could say i'm reasonably happy with the equilibrium of my dimwittedness.

It's encouraging to see your "banter" has moved on from drowning children and Titanic "jokes" anyway.

[tommy.irene]

Be carefull here we dont want to see someone getting set up for 30 days gardening leave.

[mikes*corvettes]

Not by me they wont, I'm old enough and ugly enough to fight my corner without resorting to button pushing or sucking up to the mods.

Oh and surprise-surprise the posted link is 404 file not found.

[cee-dee]

Which link?

https://counterjihadnews.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/bonnstreetriots1.png

[mikes*corvettes]

But that is just the same picture with nothing to show the date.

http://news360.com/article/311820821#

[bookhunter2007]

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@bookhunter2007 wrote:

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This is like "Guns 'n' God"  Bingo.  Anyone got a link from Terry Jones and a quote from the Phelps family for a full-house? Or maybe even President Trump?

#StopTheWorldIWantToGetOff

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Just sayin...

[tommy.irene]

In the news Image for the news result Refugee crisis: EU in crunch talks as queues form at German border The Guardian‎ - 8 hours ago He said the German government took the decision after its regions said they could no longer ... Migrant crisis: Germany starts temporary border controls BBC News‎ - 10 hours ago Austria, Slovakia introduce border checks after shock German move Yahoo News‎ - 57 mins ago More news for german news......................................... https://www.google.co.uk/#q=german+news

[tommy.irene]

http://news.yahoo.com/austria-deploy-army-help-migrant-influx-091519416.html ....................... Austria, Slovakia introduce border checks after shock German move

[tommy.irene]

Police in Hungary have blocked a key crossing into the country from Serbia and is directing migrants to an official registration point. Germany, Austria, Hungary, and Poland say they are all tightening their borders to deal with the tens of thousands of migrants trying to enter Europe.

[cee-dee]

It's not the same pic, the smaller one has been "doctored".

[fallen-archie]

From Iran to Saudi Arabia, Turkey and the Balkans wherever you look one group say it's all the West's fault another says it's terrorists seeking to take over the world, it seems impossible to get a grip on what we can do. In a hopeless attempt to cut through the political fog and propaganda I have read dozens of articles and considered opinions from a wide range of sources. One which I did find interesting I provide a link for, if you can be bothered give it a read, then come back and tell me it's yet more rubbish.

http://www.planetarymovement.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=998&Itemid=1

[joe_bloggs*]

"Let's put it bluntly: to try to stop IS means supporting the Assad regime. Bashar al-Assad is an abominable fellow, but he has kept Syria together, protected its many minorities and kept the Israeli border quiet. Compared to IS, he is an ally. So is Iran, a stable regime with a political tradition reaching back thousands of years – contrary to Saudi Arabia, Qatar et al which support IS."

I agree,we should be supporting Assad in his fight against isis,not trying to overthrow him as the US wants,otherwise we'll be making the same mistakes as Libya, i read that Russia is stepping in to aid the Assad regime,we'll have to wait and see how that pans out...