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[cee-dee]

Start a conversation eh? Is that a bit of a non-starter these days as no-one seems to want to converse?

I guess I'm flogging a dead horse but I'll give the readers something to read and hope someone wants to actually say something relevant?

There's a move afoot to make the US government release lots of info about UFOs but what is your view on the subject? Do you "believe" UFOs are from someplace else in the Universe?

My view is that they're not UFOs at all, they're Unexplained Aerial Phenomena = UAPs instead which is something completely different.

No-one is ever close to these "things", videos and photos are distant and/or fuzzy so some strange shape or light is hardly an alien craft? That is, unless you "believe" in such things or "want" them to be what you believe, = of alien origin. The only certain fact is that they're unexplained.

Look at things from a logical point of view. We can see things approaching from Space so how come an alien craft isn't spotted way out there? How could it suddenly appear in our atmosphere? People claim a "UFO" has moved at great speed, or has been seen then accelerated away or has moved fast but then slowed or hovered. Think about it a moment, something accelerating or slowing quickly does the same to anything living within in it. How come some alien being could survive such sudden acceleration or deceleration? If we humans moved or slowed quickly our bodies wouldn't withstand such fast movements? We're talking really fast speeds, not just a couple of thousand miles per hour.

We have "fast" aircraft that cause sonic booms, how come these supposed fast alien craft don't cause them? 

The two Voyager spacecraft are both still going after 40 years. Voyager 1 is around 14 billion miles from Earth and travelling at around 40,000 MPH (rough figures there) so how come some of these aliens haven't intercepted it or tried to call it or us to say "Hello"? Voyager 2 is a few billion miles less distant and that's still going OK too. Neither craft have hit anything (yet?) and are still sending back data so surely if there's really advanced life anywhere near us (near us in space terms) how come they've not found the transmissions and joined in?

Look how long it's taken the Voyager craft to get to where they are now? In space terms the distance covered is minute? So, to make space travel in a relatively short space of time, you'd have to travel at terrific speed and to get to that speed, you've got to accelerate and then.... you've got to slow down when and if you get somewhere! We see meteorites burning up in our atmosphere, so, how come we don't "see" these supposedly alien craft entering our atmosphere? Meteorites are travelling at anything between 25,000 and 150,000 MPH, so some alien craft can come here, slow down, enter our atmosphere without causing such disturbance that we'd see them? Oh, it's "advanced technology"? OK, can't explain something so invent something that can't be refuted?

The Universe is vast, we've no idea "how far it goes" or if we're near the end, the beginning or in the middle. It's logical to expect that somewhere "out there" will be other forms of intelligent life but as to whether any of them has travelled here, (why here anyway?) I think not.

[cee-dee]

Well now, more than twenty views but not a single post? Got nothing to  say?

Do UFOs belong on the list of non-existant things like Bigfoot/Sasquatch, the Yeti, the Loch Ness Monster and Faries?

UFOs, like other myths have an uncanny ability to remain out of focus, I wonder how they do that? 🤣

[cee-dee]

It seems that people just love reading the threads but are either afraid, unwilling or unable to post a relevant comment?

Now then, many years ago I watched a sci-fi programme on TV about us Earthings being contacted by some beings from..... out there.

There was much conversation exchanged and the Extra Terrestials agreed to land here and meet us. I'm keeping this brief..... With much back and to conversation, the ETs were directed to a location where they were to land in the middle of an airfield. The craft eventually made it down to Earth but the Earthlings couldn't see them and were asking where the ETs were. Men were sent out to look for them. The view changed to inside the spaceship and looking out of it where it appeared to be amongst a tangled mass of "green stuff" (it was grass!). The ETs were complaining they'd been deceived.... Then..... an Earthworm crawled past.... just as one of the men sent to look for them accidentally trod on the craft and crushed it, never to be found.

The obvious conclusion of that was that the ETs were minute. Now then... I think that's the only way beings from wherever can travel vast distances at vast speeds without being crushed by the forces generated by such travel. ie, we're too big!!!!

[a1once]

People like to believe in "something" greater than themselves, whatever form that may take. Maybe a deity, perhaps money or flying saucers.

Whatever gets you through the night is all right - John Lennon

[cee-dee]

I see that Brian Cox is saying the Universe and us are all holograms? So we don't exist?

I've never been a fan of his and I don't care for his delivery when he's fronting a programme so I never watch him now. If we're all holograms, nothing would change or alter, we wouldn't live, die? Crackers.

[vamo48]

I do believe there are likely to be other intelligent life forms in the universe, but fail to see why they would bother with us.  Unexplained phenomena could be all manner of things.  I have somewhere a photo with a strange thing in the sky, but I suspect a speck of dust in the camera.   My son and some of his friends claimed to have seen a UFO some time ago. However, they had been in the pub for a couple of hours and another explanation suggests itself.

[cee-dee]

Yes, it's logical that there are other forms of intelligent life in the Universe but the distances are so vast, how could they get here and as I said in my OP, why here? Why would they want to buzz around our Planet and not make contact in some way?

I believe that all the sightings of supposed UFOs have a logical explanation if only it could be found. The fundamental question is, why are they always fuzzy, out of focus, long distance shots?

Also, what you think you saw is most probably not what you thought it was.

[victortardis]

Good choice of subject.

The videos which have been recently released are likely to show nothing but drones, unfortunately.

Most of the public would have never seen the vast array of drones available to the military, they come in all shapes and sizes. Some are barrel shaped and some merely balloons or metallic blimps. Some are tiny enough to fit in the palm of your hand, many are spherical.

The motives for the release of this "material" are probably complex.

One of the new videos showing a "UFO" is nothing but a Batman balloon, other pilots describe seeing a "box within a sphere". The sphere is 1940s technology, a radar reflector. These are gas filled balloon which contain a mirror designed to confuse the radar into thinking a bigger craft is in their airspace.

Some of these "blimps" are not propelled by conventional fuels, they rely on compressed gas that doesn't leave a heat signature. They are able, due to being "lighter than air", to descend and ascend at astonishing speeds.  Many drones of these types gather intelligence, some, in conjunction with others, are able to blow up targets.

The military are not about to admit that an alien machine is easily breaching their security and flying in a live exercise with impunity. These are training exercises which the public, and often military personnel, are unaware of.  They are testing machines in real time and seeing how people react.

Drone swarms are launched from submarines as well as from conventional lorries, these are the lights which are often filmed in formations above US cities. These drones can be remotely controlled as well as operating autonomously, they are able to hold positions accurately and for fairly extended periods of time.  At night, and from a distance, a group of drones holding a triangular formation would look otherwordly. Photographs are ofter blurred because most cameras don't work well under certain conditions and from such a distance.

There might be extraterrestrial visitations, but the videos released of late are nothing but conventional, and often dated, terrestrial technology.

The military are not well known for transparency, if they announce they have videos of unknown crafts, take it with a large pinch of salt. If the public were to be privy to the new technology available to the military, such as metamaterials, they would be astounded.

So, what we are about to see are drones, strange looking ones but nevertheless drones.

The military would never admit to anything able to breach their very sophisticated detection technology with impunity.  Radars are now so advanced that not much could get through.

We are also lead to believe that Russian subs could never enter the Atlantic, they do and often.

When the Stealth was first seen it was often mistaken for an alien craft, the military did nothing to dispel that myth. Those triangular crafts were designed in the 1940s and eventually progressed to what we see now. 

I do hope something interesting will be released, but I do have serious doubts it will.

Ask yourself, why would a highly trained pilot take a photograph of a Batman balloon and state it was a UFO?

[cee-dee]

All logical stuff there but there's also the reflections, glare and lens flare coupled with people taking pics/video through glass and also not being "still" when doing so.

I remember some years back some cops claiming they were being followed by a "UFO" and when they slowed down, so did it, when they speeded up, the "UFO" did too and when they stopped, it stopped too. What they actually saw was reflected light from their own cop-car!!!!

[a1once]

If I was an alien and came to this lovely, green, fertile planet and saw how we treat it and how we would probably shoot first and ask questions later, I would probably jog on to the next planet. 

  Silly observation, we have sent probes out in our lifetime and learnt a lot about this little universe, could aliens have done the same? Will our probes possibly find some form of life in one of the many distant Galaxies? Chariots of the Gods was probably a load of fantasy, but Erich Von Daniken did make you wonder about the possibilities. Some people might say that there is more proof of Alien visits than there is of long bearded deities. 

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[cee-dee]

The two Voyager spacecraft were launched 44 years ago and Voyager 1 is "only" 14 billion miles away after all this time after travelling at nearly 40,000MPH. 

Any aliens locating it would probably think it was very primitive and travelling really slowly. Were they to actually get hold of it, would they make any sense of the disc it carries and actually be able locate the senders (us) in the Universe?

Would aliens actually come here or would they observe from a distance? Wouldn't it be a bit foolhardy to just approach a Planet and it's occupants without making prior contact? Star Trek was great (for it's time) but just think about actually travelling at warp speed? A huge craft (and the occupants)  would have to survive terrific forces in acceleration and deceleration and as for smaller craft intended for "landing", wouldn't it be a bit risky flying at great speed anywhere near this Planet with all the junk littering near space?

There, just a few more questions to stretch the imagination?

[victortardis]

Yes, you are right. But when talking about the videos released by the US military we have a Batman Balloon, an object which is not travelling as fast as reported, a sphere that falls in to the sea (rather than purposely submerge) a video of a triangular object which is nothing but a Bokeh effect, and a video of a Flir camera which makes it look like an object is making a fast turn, when in effect it's nothing but a camera reaching its end of travel.

All very strange. They are either trying to take our attention away from a huge event  (choose one), or are trying to hide more strange sightings which they will never release.

All the videos are cut, no beginning and no end. In one the pilot is excited about locking onto an object which he can be clearly heard to be describing as a drone which is part of a fleet. 

I happen to know an experienced military radar operator, he laughed when he saw the Bokeh effect being described as a triangular craft.

The F-18 pilot, Ryan Graves' description of the "UFO" he sighted is most certainly a radar reflector. The strangest thing is not the sightings, it's the reason for claiming some of these sightings are unexplainable.

Remember that those are training exercises where the jets are flying unarmed, so there is no chance an excited pilot will engage an object and shoot it down. It's the perfect theatre for testing technology on personnel.

As far as those videos go, they are US drones, I can't comment about other sightings which are obviously unexplainable. 

Of course, I do hope not to get abducted and probed. Especially seeing as I have three active listings.

[victortardis]

Unfortunately Erich is a lovely chap, but his calculations in "Chariots of the Gods" are far from accurate. 

He does make some interesting points, as others do, but history is not as precisely understood as some historians would like us to believe. So, it leaves much room for interpretation and even more room for speculation.

Take the Greeks, half of their history is mixed with mythology, trying to make sense of that is near impossible. 

[cee-dee]

I think Erich Von Daniken should be coupled with Zecharia Sitchin and his Earth Chronicles. All believable stuff (up to a point) but they misinterpret and mistranslate what was left behind, was said or what was written to the point of distortion. Sitchin worked on the Sumerian clay tablets and although his writings are interesting and up to a point believable, he misinterpreted and mistranslated what was written on them. What I've always wondered though was what caused the Sumerians to write the things they did?

It's been said that all legends have a basis in fact but as we know (we do don't we?) things that are initially handed down by word of mouth have a habit of getting changed along the way.

As to why the "drone UFOs" are being allowed to become "accepted" as alien craft, might not that have something to do with not letting those who might become an enemy know what you're really up to and how advanced what you're doing has become?

[victortardis]

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@cee-dee wrote:

I think Erich Von Daniken should be coupled with Zecharia Sitchin and his Earth Chronicles. All believable stuff (up to a point) but they misinterpret and mistranslate what was left behind, was said or what was written to the point of distortion. Sitchin worked on the Sumerian clay tablets and although his writings are interesting and up to a point believable, he misinterpreted and mistranslated what was written on them. What I've always wondered though was what caused the Sumerians to write the things they did?

It's been said that all legends have a basis in fact but as we know (we do don't we?) things that are initially handed down by word of mouth have a habit of getting changed along the way.

As to why the "drone UFOs" are being allowed to become "accepted" as alien craft, might not that have something to do with not letting those who might become an enemy know what you're really up to and how advanced what you're doing has become?

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Most religions of that region are probably adaptations of the Sumerian one,  their tablets are not even translated as most are kept in museums away from the public. Strangely.

We are now being told that we are being visited by something unexplainable, but most of what is being released is probably known technology. Could the motive behind that be that once we accept these are drones, we will then be happy and not question more mysterious sightings?  The military are, apparently, confused as to what these craft are and are asking the public to help understand what is happening. That in itself is a red flag!

We shall see what is released, but, those videos were spoken about some years ago on a particular forum. The poster, in horrible English grammar, was laughed at.  The next day he posted call signs from fighter jet pilots and made new claims, he eventually went quiet. Turns out he was talking about the videos released recently. I suspect it was an attempt by the military to start a conversation on forums.

No one believed MK Ultra and the Monarch Program existed, it was far too horrible to be believed. Turns out it was completely accurate. 

[victortardis]

If we are visited, I do hope they follow social distancing. Last thing we need is the Alien variant, which apparently turns sufferers green.

[Anonymous]

Stranger things have happened:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilmOHfnIpFI

[victortardis]

Are you trying to say Peter and Dudley are behind it all?

[right-then-petal]

                                                                           

[victortardis]

What's  happened, has everyone been abducted?