Rolf Harris

[planetretro]

Could ebay please remove all the listings selling art work etc done by the convicted pedofile.

[**bustysinclaire**]

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@saasher2012 wrote:
I make no comment except to say perhaps some of the so called god principles should be adhered to by those who are preaching them, I refer of course to the JW elder who has just been found guilty of the very crimes he was preaching about!

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I quite agree with you saasher, if that elder was guilty then he deserves the punishment he got. We are not above the law, not even JW's and look at the harm it has done if he was/is guilty. Brought reproach of God's name.

[tommy.irene]

I think this is the one you ment Sam..

@cee-dee wrote:

A case comes to a close. (Well, from the legal aspect anyway)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-east-wales-28127683

Tommy.Irene Wrote..

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Sentencing him to 14 years, Judge Richard Twomlow, said: "Your victims felt inhibited about what they could say because of your position as an elder."

"You caused distress in the lives of your victims who had the feeling they were disbelieved.

"You have shown not a thread of remorse."

All Jehovah's Witness congregation are registered charities and the Charity Commission is investigating the case.

[saasher2012]

Yes Tommy it is Thanks. x

[saasher2012]

If he was guilty?. He's got 14yrs & most if not all his crimes were against his fellow members , I don't really think there's much doubt
Do you?

[lambsy_uk]

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@upthecreekyetagain wrote:

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@lambsy_uk wrote:

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@rose2008-2008 wrote:

I was actually going to say YES,,, and i know that you become an adult in this country when your eighteen. Thats why i really cannot understand why the age of consent for sex is sixteen!!. Strange really. In a lot of ways its too young.

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Yes you have point! This is how things can all become confusing, we say that our children remain with the status of minors until they are 18, but they are old enough to consent to sex at 16. So we have a load of minors having sex and perhaps having sex with adults.

I know when it comes to my children 25 won't be old enough in my eyes!

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Lambsy

I don't think "we have a load of minors having sex and perhaps having sex with adults" because the age of consent is 16.

At 16 a person can start full time work, they can get married, they can leave home, they can buy beer, cider or wine with a meal in a pub or restaurant, they can give consent for their own medical, dental and surgical treatment, join the armed forces etc etc

It is probably best to describe a 16 year old as a young adult, and treat them as such, rather than call them a child.

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Which is why I referred to them as minors rather than children. Until  they are 18 they are minors and therefore if they have sex they are minors having sex. There is plenty they can' t do or be responsible for until they are 18, can' t be arsed to look it all up mright now!

[lambsy_uk]

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@j_uk643 wrote:

 Bit disingenuous

The paedophile definition/usage isn't universally agreed, and common usage would define Harris as such

If he acted on his impulses, it would be illegal

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Common usage is the problem, every **bleep** and his dog uses it with little or no regard for its proper use!

[**bustysinclaire**]

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@saasher2012 wrote:
If he was guilty?. He's got 14yrs & most if not all his crimes were against his fellow members , I don't really think there's much doubt
Do you?

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Do you know of the case personally saasher?

I don't, so I can only read about it in the press, I have learn't you shouldn't/cannot always believe what you read, so again if he is guilty then he deserves his punishment. I am not saying he is or he isn't.

No one is above the law.

[welsh.goddess]

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@**bustysinclaire** wrote:

Well then, the confusion over the age of consent and all other regarding sex, IMHO is a good reason why God's principals should be adhered to. They are always for mankinds benefit. Follow them and we would be free from so many of the problems created by following your impulses (or however you would like to describe it).

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So what are Gods principles regarding the age of consent and sex?

[upthecreekyetagain]

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@lambsy_uk wrote:

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@upthecreekyetagain wrote:

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@lambsy_uk wrote:

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@rose2008-2008 wrote:

I was actually going to say YES,,, and i know that you become an adult in this country when your eighteen. Thats why i really cannot understand why the age of consent for sex is sixteen!!. Strange really. In a lot of ways its too young.

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Yes you have point! This is how things can all become confusing, we say that our children remain with the status of minors until they are 18, but they are old enough to consent to sex at 16. So we have a load of minors having sex and perhaps having sex with adults.

I know when it comes to my children 25 won't be old enough in my eyes!

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Lambsy

I don't think "we have a load of minors having sex and perhaps having sex with adults" because the age of consent is 16.

At 16 a person can start full time work, they can get married, they can leave home, they can buy beer, cider or wine with a meal in a pub or restaurant, they can give consent for their own medical, dental and surgical treatment, join the armed forces etc etc

It is probably best to describe a 16 year old as a young adult, and treat them as such, rather than call them a child.

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Which is why I referred to them as minors rather than children. Until  they are 18 they are minors and therefore if they have sex they are minors having sex. There is plenty they can' t do or be responsible for until they are 18, can' t be arsed to look it all up mright now!

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I accept that there are a lot they cannot do before they are 18 but my point there is a lot they can - why shouldn't sex be in the 'can do' list rather than the 'can't do'?

[saasher2012]

lol. Now why doesn't that answer surprise me!. lol.

[j_uk643]

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@**caution**opinion_ahead wrote:

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@j_uk643 wrote:

If he acted on his impulses, it would be illegal

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As yet ... impulses are not illegal. 

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The operative word was ‘act’ & yes if they did, they would likely be breaking the law in the context discussed

lambsy_uk

I can’t agree. Most know what they mean by the word. Using age not biology  is far more practical both in general communication and legally. The alternative you’re suggesting isn’t. It isn’t even ‘proper’ or complete.

The suggestion paedophilia isn’t  ‘illegal’ is misleading. If anyone is an active paedophile then they will be breaking the law

[lambsy_uk]

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@upthecreekyetagain wrote:

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@lambsy_uk wrote:

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@upthecreekyetagain wrote:

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@lambsy_uk wrote:

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@rose2008-2008 wrote:

I was actually going to say YES,,, and i know that you become an adult in this country when your eighteen. Thats why i really cannot understand why the age of consent for sex is sixteen!!. Strange really. In a lot of ways its too young.

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Yes you have point! This is how things can all become confusing, we say that our children remain with the status of minors until they are 18, but they are old enough to consent to sex at 16. So we have a load of minors having sex and perhaps having sex with adults.

I know when it comes to my children 25 won't be old enough in my eyes!

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Lambsy

I don't think "we have a load of minors having sex and perhaps having sex with adults" because the age of consent is 16.

At 16 a person can start full time work, they can get married, they can leave home, they can buy beer, cider or wine with a meal in a pub or restaurant, they can give consent for their own medical, dental and surgical treatment, join the armed forces etc etc

It is probably best to describe a 16 year old as a young adult, and treat them as such, rather than call them a child.

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Which is why I referred to them as minors rather than children. Until  they are 18 they are minors and therefore if they have sex they are minors having sex. There is plenty they can' t do or be responsible for until they are 18, can' t be arsed to look it all up mright now!

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I accept that there are a lot they cannot do before they are 18 but my point there is a lot they can - why shouldn't sex be in the 'can do' list rather than the 'can't do'?

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As I suggested earlier, because sex leads to babies and babies need to be cared for by responsible adults rather than minors!

[lambsy_uk]

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@j_uk643 wrote:

lambsy_uk

I can’t agree. Most know what they mean by the word. Using age not biology  is far more practical both in general communication and legally. The alternative you’re suggesting isn’t. It isn’t even ‘proper’ or complete.

The suggestion paedophilia isn’t  ‘illegal’ is misleading. If anyone is an active paedophile then they will be breaking the law

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Yes age is practical, sure I said that earlier. Paedophilia is a sexual attraction towards prebubescent children; having an attraction is not illegal! The term 'active paedophile' is the misleading one because to be active you only need to have an attraction. If one sexually assaults a minor then the crime is sexual assault of a minor, there is not such crime as paedophilia! Paedophilia is a state of mind!

[j_uk643]

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@lambsy_uk wrote:

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@j_uk643 wrote:

lambsy_uk

I can’t agree. Most know what they mean by the word. Using age not biology  is far more practical both in general communication and legally. The alternative you’re suggesting isn’t. It isn’t even ‘proper’ or complete.

The suggestion paedophilia isn’t  ‘illegal’ is misleading. If anyone is an active paedophile then they will be breaking the law

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Yes age is practical, sure I said that earlier. Paedophilia is a sexual attraction towards prebubescent children; having an attraction is not illegal! The term 'active paedophile' is the misleading one because to be active you only need to have an attraction. If one sexually assaults a minor then the crime is sexual assault of a minor, there is not such crime as paedophilia! Paedophilia is a state of mind!

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You say quite a few things, some apparently contradictory. No, it's a quite clear one, it means someone acting upon their impulses

The crime may be sexual assault, the person assaulted may be an under age girl. The person committing the crime may be reasonably described as a paedophile in the case of Harris, Hall etc

[cee-dee]

To save further useless argument, have a read of the following:-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedophilia

[j_uk643]

Fairly useless as read some time ago, thanks

[electric*mayhem*band]

Getting back to the OP's original topic. Maybe we should remove all Lord Byron's literature from Libraries and book shelves, and subsequently burned ? He was a bit of a dodgy character by all accounts.

[rose2008-2008]

I dont think you can be responsible for yourself at sixteen!!!. As far as im concerned your still a child!. Everything like sex, drinking,driving, going into pubs ect should be allowed only when your eighteen!. Some other countries its 21 still i think for some things.

[cee-dee]

So, you've read the references at the bottom of the page or did you just skip over the first hundred words and dismiss it all as "fairly useless"?

[j_uk643]

So, you've read the references at the bottom of the page

Have I? - where did I say that?

or did you just skip over the first hundred words and dismiss it all as "fairly useless"?

Do you  mean 'skip,' or do you actually mean 'skim' ?

No, mainly it referred to your post actually.

Why do you appear to assume others haven't seen your google link before?

And what relevance does it have? Its largely discussed in a clinical context, and one not universally used or accepted.Are we talking in the same context? - I think not.