OK, in or out?

[cee-dee]

How about an RT poll?

No reasons, no argument, no debate just a straightforward IN or OUT.

Me? OUT.

[evoman3957]

Some people cotton on, quite quickly, when they're being taken for a Fool; with others it takes a little bit longer........C'est La Vie.

[fallen-archie]

Nothing fools you better than the lie you tell yourself.

[evoman3957]

Something tells me that the bureaucracy, ridiculous meddling and dictatorial behaviour of the EU, that has been self evident and there for all to see, is hardly a lie..........but there you go.....denying reality.........now that IS sad..........to lose touch with reality, is to have a straight jacket waiting......and to not be able to talk rationally.

[artful_dodgings]

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@suzieseaside wrote:

It looks as if Obama's intererence has not had the effect he wanted.  I'm not surprised.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/664699/EU-referendum-poll-brexit-leave-lead-obama

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Obama is more of a lame duck than Daffy.

(Choose any one from several).

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=lame+duck+obama&hl=en-GB&rlz=1T4PRFD_enGB671GB671&tbm=isch&tbo=u&s...

[fallen-archie]

Didn't say you were wrong, I have no illusions about the negatives surrounding EU membership. I am neither in denial or being foolish but the problem for me is the alternative.Brexit looks likely and I can live with it mainly because of the French and their selfish track record. However I want a peaceful Europe and one which works together without the strings and straightjackets you mention. Is it possible god knows, Is it desirable, God yes.

[evoman3957]

I came to the conclusion years ago, that Human Beings were the most belligerent and destructive species; that has ever existed. Unfortunately, they are also the most intelligent, devious and calculating.........and that has merely served to allow them to kill more quickly and more clinically, than any other species in the Worlds history.  Can they ever live in peace permanently...........NEVER........it's just a matter of time.

[fallen-archie]

Cheer up Evo, the **bleep** to whom you refer are just that. Ultimately they are no match for those who tolerate the behavioour but who ultimately will tread on them firmly. have faith 

[evoman3957]

It gets better & better........now DC tells us, that leaving could potentially bring about WW3. The more these lying Dogs exaggerate the argument, to support their own agenda, the more contempt I have for them & those who are too blind to see what they are doing.  We cannot renegotiate ANYTHING of substance with the EU ( because they just tell us to $£%* OFF ) but if we leave, war in Europe might break out again; because we are the respected peace keepers.........God , how people make me want to Vomit !!

[cee-dee]

I think that what DC said was complete balderdash.

Leaving aside any biased thinking, I think that was a stupid thing to say and surely most level thinkers would see that as a severe mistake for the "Remain" camp. If those in the "Remain" camp were completely honest with themselves, they'd see what was said for what it is, a foot-in-mouth episode?

"Europe" has seen more fighting between themselves in times past and who have they turned to for help in "settling" it? Britain and her allies!!!

They just don't like Britain and because they've not been able to subdue us in the past, they're trying to do it by the back door via this EU lark.

OUT.

[0125arwen]

Brussels accused of BLACKMAIL after introducing fines for countries refusing refugees. BRUSSELS' decision to fine countries 250,000 for every refugee they refuse to admit has been blasted as blackmail by furious European ministers.

Hungary, Poland and Slovakia have all lashed out at the decision, which will leave countries who wish to control their own borders with bills of hundreds of millions of euros. Hungarian Foreign Minister Peter Szijjarto said the plan, which was announced today, was a dead-end street.

The huge financial threat has been introduced to prevent states from choosing who to accept in their countries. The deliberately high fine of 250,000 per asylum seeker will leave countries with no choice but to accept thousands of migrants - or face huge penalties. Poland, for example, would be forced to pay 1.5billion if they kept their borders closed to the 6,200 migrants on their quota. Hungary and Slovakia are currently disputing the migrant quotas in EU courts.

Oooooeeer.

[artful_dodgings]

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@evoman3957 wrote:

It gets better & better........now DC tells us, that leaving could potentially bring about WW3. The more these lying Dogs exaggerate the argument, to support their own agenda, the more contempt I have for them & those who are too blind to see what they are doing.  We cannot renegotiate ANYTHING of substance with the EU ( because they just tell us to $£%* OFF ) but if we leave, war in Europe might break out again; because we are the respected peace keepers.........God , how people make me want to Vomit !!

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It's not many weeks ago that Dave the Rave was threatening to leave the EU if he didn't get what he wanted, and now he's forecasting all manner of portents of doom if we leave, and is all for staying in. He's made more swerves and three point turns than a Blackpool dodgem car in his shelf life.  I've lost all track of what this clown actually does say, and invariably means.

WW3....honestly, if it wasn't so pathetically desperate, it would be hilarious. 

[astrologica]

Did I hear DC this morning mention the 'serried rows of graves in Europe'? That is breathtaking. I suggest he goes and has a very good look at the war graves in Europe and in this country where millions of brave men are buried who were killed by......Germans? In two World Wars? And now he wants us to continue to cosy up to them in their disastrous doom laden club? The Germans who run the whole show...and who just invited millions of migrants to come to Europe, but now regret it and are trying to foist them on other European countries? He really does need to go and look at those WW1 and WW2 graves...it may sober him up a bit. 

And were not those more recent Balkan wars fought between Muslims and Christians, with Ethic cleansing involved? 

Am I missing something?

[dark_castle1]

Excuse me cee dee !

I did not say leaving would bring about WW3 ! 

What I posted was what the leader of the uk government said and that just goes to show the level this government will stoop to ! Instill fear in those that cannot think for themselves to get what we want them to do.

As I have stated numerous times here OUT for me and that is from someone that did not say what seems to be insinuated that they did.

[dark_castle1]

astrologica, please go and reread my post !

What I posted was what David Cameron said ! not my opinion.

Would I be voting out if I believed the claptrap that comes from the mouths of these so called intelligent people who are trying to instill fear into the masses to get what they want.

[margaret*e]

I think CD meant David Cameron, not dark castle.

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@dark_castle1 wrote:

Excuse me cee dee !

I did not say leaving would bring about WW3 ! 

What I posted was what the leader of the uk government said and that just goes to show the level this government will stoop to ! Instill fear in those that cannot think for themselves to get what we want them to do.

As I have stated numerous times here OUT for me and that is from someone that did not say what seems to be insinuated that they did.

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What I heard was a claim that being in the EU had reduced the likelihood of a WW3 - not that leaving would bring about WW3

Not the same thing

NATO has reduced the likelihood of WW3 - the break up of NATO would not bring about WW3 - just make it more likely

[cee-dee]

Margie is right, I meant David Cameron not you.

OUT.

[evoman3957]

I see Boris is in the Doghouse again........for telling the truth.........AGAIN !!  Amazing how the truth can be more palatable to some, if it's dressed up a bit and got a pretty please tacked onto the end of it.  To others, of course, the truth is something that's eluded them for their entire lives; until, of course, circumstances mean they have to venture outside of their little cocoons...........then they wonder what's hit them.

[cee-dee]

Boris certainly didn't mean that he was comparing the EU to Hitler. All he was saying was that in the past, some "Leaders" had tried to get the whole of Europe under one governing body but that the EU was trying a different route.

I've thought for a long time that the Eurocrats were trying for Europe-wide domination by stealth and it seems others think along the same lines?

OUT.

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