Homeless in Britain.

[astrologica]

On Tuesday, on my way to a hospital appointment, I walked through the town in Newport, South Wales. Passing through I saw at least three homeless people , sleeping in the doorways of empty shops. I thought at the time that these poor people will now go further down the list of people needing help, as the country imports more 'child' migrants. When I returned home, there on my TV was the Welsh actor, Michael Sheen, yet another Luvvie, making his heart bleed for all to see, and telling us that Wales has not done enough to help , and that we should be taking more in. I made a mental note to never again watch anything that he has worked in. He should go to Newport and speak to those poor homeless people and help them sort out their problems.

Also...thinking about this child migrant issue, I remembered that during WW1 many brave young lads in this country added a few years to their age, in order to be able to enlist and fight for their country. And yet, we have these young fit men in Calais, knocking years off their ages in order to be able to try and get to the UK and have a nice easy, cushy safe life. What does that tell us?

[jd.linklater]

My main concern is with the thousands that have been moved from Calais to reception centres in France. As soon as they have been through the processing procedure I guess they will be registered as EU citizens and will have the right to travel where they please in the EU. No prizes for guessing where most of them will be heading.

[astrologica]

And the million or so that we're allowed into Europe last year. Once they are European citizens they can do the same. Thank heavens the majority of the British people voted to leave the EU. But if Mrs May doesn't get a move on it will be too late.  If I were younger I think I would be off to Australia!

[upthecreekyetagain]

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@aand2136-voqfz8yx wrote:

There are many people like yourself who wish help all these people and there just as many who don't want to help any of them. The majority of people are in the middle and are quite happy and willing to help those that are in need and vulnerable. However, stories of 'young men' being allowed asylum in this and other countries are causing a tide of resentment towards all of them. This is not helpful, but inevitable. These 'young men' have to take responsibility for their actions and not blame the British and other Europeans for not wishing to help given the circumstances.

Sanctuary for these fit young men could have been found in various safe camps around the world. In those they could have been put to work helping their fellow citizens until such time they could all return to their homeland. They chose not to help, but trek 2000 miless across Europe and through many safe countries to live in squalor near Calais. They attack the truck drivers using the port, they attack the police and cause criminal damage. Then when told to move on, with significant assistance from aid charities and the French authorities, decide to cause even more criminal damage by setting fire to the camp. Why would any country want to accept such people; when they don't get their own way, they cause inexorable trouble - incredible!

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So when it comes to how people want to handle a problem there are, according to you, people at both extremes but the majority are in the middle.

When it comes to the actual 'problem' however then ALL are, according to you, at the extreme! - of course they are.

[upthecreekyetagain]

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@jd.linklater wrote:

My main concern is with the thousands that have been moved from Calais to reception centres in France. As soon as they have been through the processing procedure I guess they will be registered as EU citizens and will have the right to travel where they please in the EU. No prizes for guessing where most of them will be heading.

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A lot of guesses - and incorrect.

Processing of genuine asylum seekers generally takes many years  and becoming an EU citizen takes even longer and comes with many conditions - the vast majority of immigrants and refugees entering Europe don't want to, (let alone manage to), go to the UK.

This kind of post is simply inflammatory and can stem from only one of two roots - ignorance or a desire to mislead.

[mikes*corvettes]

Well the estimated 8-10,000 in the Calais jungle seemed hell bent on getting over here, wouldm't you say.

[aand2136-voqfz8yx]

You really are not making any sense at all.

It would be useful if you want to directly respond to a post that you actually read it and read it thoroughly to allow you to make a sensible comment rather than simply typing something you want to say that indicates you are selective in your reading. This is the second time you have twisted my posts in order to put across your views.

[jd.linklater]

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@aand2136-voqfz8yx wrote:

You really are not making any sense at all.

It would be useful if you want to directly respond to a post that you actually read it and read it thoroughly to allow you to make a sensible comment rather than simply typing something you want to say that indicates you are selective in your reading. This is the second time you have twisted my posts in order to put across your views.

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aand2136  you will find that is par for the course with creeky which is why I never respond to his posts.

[aand2136-voqfz8yx]

Thank you for that information. I won't be responding to any more of his posts. I simply find it a little unfair that my views are twisted to such an extent to be that of an extremist.

It is interesting that in response to your post he wrote "go to the UK" instead of "come to the UK"

[littleme61_6]

The title of 'Homeless in Britain' I naturally automatically thought of the British Homeless. So many of course, through no fault of their own, in a lot of cases, are homeless. Many decent law-abiding citizens, yet there they have found themselves in dire straits.  

Being in that situation could have happened to any one of us.  The many I get to see around town are relatively young. They are basically living hand to mouth.

Yet as mentioned many coming over, via boat, plane, truck etc are given all the care in the world. Money, and a warm place to stay. 

I am sure many feel ''Take care of your own''. We cannot save the world and keep afloat ourselves. 

Too many raisins in a cake will make it sink. We are sinking.. Who will help all of us that have paid taxes etc when we really need the help.. Hmm, any Country offering that to us!. 

[upthecreekyetagain]

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aand2136-voqfz8yx wrote:

You really are not making any sense at all.

It would be useful if you want to directly respond to a post that you actually read it and read it thoroughly to allow you to make a sensible comment rather than simply typing something you want to say that indicates you are selective in your reading. This is the second time you have twisted my posts in order to put across your views.

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This is what you posted:-

aand2136-voqfz8yx wrote:
There are many people like yourself who wish help all these people and there just as many who don't want to help any of them. The majority of people are in the middle and are quite happy and willing to help those that are in need and vulnerable. However, stories of 'young men' being allowed asylum in this and other countries are causing a tide of resentment towards all of them. This is not helpful, but inevitable. These 'young men' have to take responsibility for their actions and not blame the British and other Europeans for not wishing to help given the circumstances.

Sanctuary for these fit young men could have been found in various safe camps around the world. In those they could have been put to work helping their fellow citizens until such time they could all return to their homeland. They chose not to help, but trek 2000 miless across Europe and through many safe countries to live in squalor near Calais. They attack the truck drivers using the port, they attack the police and cause criminal damage. Then when told to move on, with significant assistance from aid charities and the French authorities, decide to cause even more criminal damage by setting fire to the camp. Why would any country want to accept such people; when they don't get their own way, they cause inexorable trouble - incredible!

Have I misread your first paragraph in understanding that you are basically saying that in the population there are a variety of attitudes towards those seeking help - some at both extremes but the majority somewhere in the middle?

Likewise am I misreading your second paragraph when you describe those that were in Calais in terms such as, "They chose", "they attack", "decide to cause' etc.  None of those phrases acknowledge that there was a wide demographic of individuals in the Calais camps - SOME who definitely acted in the way you describe, MANY who didn't!  

Why would any country want to accept such people; when they don't get their own way, they cause inexorable trouble - incredible!

Agreed but what of those you don't acknowledge that don't behave in the way you describe? - That is the point you either don't recognise from my post or don't want to address.

[upthecreekyetagain]

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@littleme61_6 wrote:

The title of 'Homeless in Britain' I naturally automatically thought of the British Homeless. So many of course, through no fault of their own, in a lot of cases, are homeless. Many decent law-abiding citizens, yet there they have found themselves in dire straits.  

Being in that situation could have happened to any one of us.  The many I get to see around town are relatively young. They are basically living hand to mouth.

Yet as mentioned many coming over, via boat, plane, truck etc are given all the care in the world. Money, and a warm place to stay. 

I am sure many feel ''Take care of your own''. We cannot save the world and keep afloat ourselves. 

Too many raisins in a cake will make it sink. We are sinking.. Who will help all of us that have paid taxes etc when we really need the help.. Hmm, any Country offering that to us!. 

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Are you saying that asylum seekers and immigrants get larger benefits than the UK born?  I wasn't aware of this!

[littleme61_6]

With respect: No I am not saying that in the least. All I do know, from reading the news,  that all known aslyum seekers and immigrants seem to get all they need at an instant. Yet many homeless UK born have slipped through the net a lot,  and are not helped with as much speed when they are homeless and in need.