Electric shock dog collars

[rosemary1398]

I was just looking for a new dog collar. I was shocked to see ebay selling electric shock collars for dogs. They are without doubt not effective at all. They are however extremely painful and do irreparable damage. Am I on my own with these thoughts, in fact is it legal to sell these in the U.K.  Disgusted with eBay.

[lambsy_uk]

So much fuss over a dog! Never heard such cries over Cattle Prods or Riding Crops. Some people are concerned and others don't see a problem, just a difference of opinion.

[fallen-archie]

Dogs are far more resilient than your average human. I own two and have had eight on total plus a brood of puppies. Never needed to resort to an electric collar however I know someone who has, he had a Jack Russel who kept running under his gate and into traffic, he tried everything to stop the dog doing it all to no avail so he resorted to a collar, within a couple of days he had the dog under control with a combination of a short shock and voice he was able to stop the dog in its tracks which probably saved its life. I would like an updated version to apply to some humans, now that would be a good thing.

[evoman3957]

If they started using them on deserving PEOPLE, they'd become an invaluable asset and they probably wouldn't be able to produce them fast enough !...........Happy Christmas !!

[upthecreekyetagain]

Certainly altered my behaviour since ducking under an electric fence without bothering to switch it off and getting the tape caught across my neck by my coat collar!

[*guinevere*]

Fallen archie said:  

Dogs are far more resilient than your average human. I own two and have had eight on total plus a brood of puppies. Never needed to resort to an electric collar however I know someone who has, he had a Jack Russel who kept running under his gate and into traffic, he tried everything to stop the dog doing it all to no avail so he resorted to a collar, within a couple of days he had the dog under control with a combination of a short shock and voice he was able to stop the dog in its tracks which probably saved its life. I would like an updated version to apply to some humans, now that would be a good thing.

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We had a dog that kept escaping under the gate. My husband simply bought a length of wood and nailed it to the bottom of  the gate. Hey presto. No more dog running under the gate.

Why on earth would I have gone out and bought an electric shock collar?  If it was his child that kept running under the  gate would he have used a shock collar? 

Genuinely puzzled.

[margaret*e]

I had wondered why he didn't just sort the gate out too.

Our dog got  into next doors garden through a hole in her fence, under the privet, my husband put a piece of wood over it, problem solved.

[fallen-archie]

Ok I stand uneasy following the comments made to my post however without going into detail this property is in the middle of nowhere and is largely fenced with sheep wire so it wasn't just the gate that was the problem for a Jack Russel. I love animals and would never hurt them however there are occassions when too much love spols an animal and they can become your ruler, That is no good to man or beast. I remember climbing over an electric fence when m fishing basket slipped and I was electrocuted where the sun doesn't shine, it certainy made me jump but apart fro that it was fine, these things are nothing like as bad as that.

[lambsy_uk]

I have loads of gaps in and under my fencing but then I don't have a dog, problem solved. A neighbour's dog got through a fence and the land-owner shot it, problem solved!

[*guinevere*]

@lambsy_uk I feel you are deliberately trying to wind up us animal lovers.  I refuse to get into a debate with you but I must admit to being slightly puzzled as to why you are posting on this thread when clearly you have no regard for animals? 

[upthecreekyetagain]

When our dogs were puppies we used a virtual fence as well - the collars emitted a sound as the dog approached the 'fence' - if it continued to get closer the sound got louder and the collar gave a very mild shock - if it still continued the noise got louder and the shocks got stronger.

Neither of our dogs ever got more than a mild shock and in a matter of days simply kept away from the virtual fence, in just the same way that the horses keep away from the electric fencing whether or not it is switched on.

I don't see the use of collars to restrict dogs to a specific area as a problem - the sound/shock is administered immediately and dogs quickly associate the shock with the sound and learn that backing away stops both.  Over 12 years later they will still only go down the river bank into the river if either my wife or I are with them.

If you are going to object to the use of shock collars in this way then you also have to object to the wide use of electric fencing to restrict the movement of all sorts of livestock.

The real problem in my opinion arises when the shock is administered manually and is open to abuse and/or misuse where a shock is administered as a punishment rather than being consistently used to stop certain behaviour.  It is very difficult to see how a shock collar can be used to reinforce good behaviour and if the pain is associated by the dog with the owner then this must make positive training even more difficult and would certainly ruin the relationship between the dog and the owner.

[lambsy_uk]

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@elephantsdodaintydancing wrote:

@lambsy_uk I feel you are deliberately trying to wind up us animal lovers.  I refuse to get into a debate with you but I must admit to being slightly puzzled as to why you are posting on this thread when clearly you have no regard for animals? 

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I guess when you have a passion for something; coming across someone with little regard can wind you up; I just want to let others know that we don't all feel the same way. We don't all have the same regard for dogs, we don't all agree with the same methods of control or training, but this does not make any of us better people; just different people with different opinions.

Some dog lovers find the use of these collars upsetting while others are upset by the condemnation they receive for using them. I do have a regard for animals; I don't wish pain and suffering upon them but I do see a need for training and control. I also have a regard for my fellow Human and will not condemn and demonise people for using methods some find questionable,

As for posting on this thread' the idea is to discuss things and appreciate different points of view; ithis is not merely a place to be seen to vent your spleen at what some deem to be some kind of attrocity. I hold a different point of view which is what discussion is about!

Merry Christmas

[2011venator]

Hi Rosemary owned dogs for all my 60 years and now have inherited a belgian malinois if you can stop her barking using kindness and patience please do as I will happily pay you if you are succesful and what difference does it make that a cow is a herding animal it still feels pain in fact cows feel a lot more pain in their pointless existence than a dog would feel from a training collar, have you ever seen a calf taken away from its mother the distress caused is very real. No one who eats meat or uses animal products should comment on cruelty to animals as they are commiting it themselves by eating animal products or dairy products