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merehazle · ‎24-01-2016

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He says: ''Let in all refugee children''. On a chaotic tour of the Calais camp, Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn calls for Britain to open it's doors to 'hundreds of thousands'. Corbyn suggested UK should admit unaccompanied children immediately. His call came on tour of two migrant camps in Dunkirk and Calais.

Excuse me! These vulnerable children are already in a civilised country, i. e. France, so why aren't they looking after their welfare?

'Unaccompanied children'. Are you really that dense Mr Corbyn? These 'children' have made their way through Europe, found their way to Calais. Hang on .... I think that's Mum and Dad peeping around the corner. Perhaps as soon as all of the 'unaccompanied children' establish themselves on British shores, the relatives will come out of the woodwork with a demand to be reunited with their 'lost youngsters'.

I was comparing my picture in my attachment to these people in that camp. And they in the camp IMO should count their lucky stars. Many in obviously expensive gear, and very well fed. Why are some hiding their faces? With so many homeless on our streets your priorities are wrong!!! Mr (lovely me?) Corbyn.

Anonymous · ‎01-02-2016

Ok, no problem. I normally write out my posts on openoffice first and when I posted it it all became one block again, so I quickly took it off to start again.

upthecreekyetagain · ‎01-02-2016

The comparison I've made is not between the Jews and current refugees, (although I'm sure such comparisons could be made), but rather between the similarity in government actions and social attitudes to refugees then and now.

The refugees are the 'lucky ones' - at least their lives are not in immediate danger unlike the millions they have left at 'home'.

Deno thread on FHG

astrologica · ‎01-02-2016

That's a very thoughtful post Harry🙂. And I see your paragraphs. And also, I totally get where you are coming from, even though in parts I might disagree. I don't see this as a problem caused only by governments. I see it as a problem caused by religion, exacerbated by various governments. Most of the unrest in the world takes place where different religions/sects operate. Muslims will always want to obliterate Jews. The Shia/Sunni unrest within Islam itself will probably continue wherever they are in the world.

I think people's attitudes to this problem depend in part apon their ability to be positive and hope for a happy outcome and solution. The people who are described as 'do-gooders' are probably optimists, like yourself, others like myself are more pragmatic and work more on cause and effect. And referring back to one of your earlier posts, I think there is an element of fear involved. Fear of the future, and a fear that this wonderful country will be irrevocably changed...for ever. I'm getting on a bit, and I remember how this country was before 'multiculturalism ' took hold. I will be totally honest here and say I preferred it as it was. There was poverty then, but far less anger and strife in my view. I do not see this country being able to cope.

I also totally get Evo's thoughts apon how this country came to be how it is(was). Because our ancestors fought for it...twice. When I see these fit young men trying/wanting to come here, or other European countries, I find it very, very difficult to feel sympathy, whether that is right or wrong. I too feel that our leaders are being very gullible. It reminds me of a card in my Tarot pack...'The Fool'. The fool is striding out optimistically, with his belongings on a stick over his shoulder. A beautiful horizon beckons...but he is about to step off the edge of a cliff. That is how I see this country. Harry....can you send me some optimism?🙁

evoman3957 · ‎01-02-2016

D-Harry.......It's interesting that out of my entire post, you pick just the last few words to take issue with. However, lets take that issue " Fight or Flight "........because I actually totally understand the dilemma. Not everybody has what it takes to stand and fight and possibly give their lives, even in defence of their own family ( children included ). Fear can be a powerful force and nobody wants to die, but inaction will come with consequences ( as will action ) both possibly with the same result. I would not even call those, who don't have any fight in them, cowards. However, inaction in the face of an enemy, intent on your destruction, will surely seal you fate; but fighting back, at least gives you a chance. The bottom line however, is that being too scared to defend your family or country is OK if you can live with the consequences........but to run to somebody else and expect them to fight and die for you; is not only cowardice but it's beneath contempt.

I'm really done with this subject now.

Anonymous · ‎01-02-2016

Send you some optimism? I could try.....................

I suppose I am an optimist. I had a choice in life....to see the world as a miserable place or a place filled with opportunity...I chose the last.

I do not see myself as a do-gooder either. I struggle with the same concerns as many other people. I like a peaceful life and like things to stay as they are more often than not.

But the more I push against all that is negative the worst I feel. I found that if I let go a bit I feel freer within myself, I feel happier. So to be honest it is actually a selfish attitude. I can chose to be happy or unhappy. I can chose to count my blessings, and there are many, or I can focus on all that is going or has gone wrong in my life.

So we can hang on to our principles and battle everything around us, or we can go more with the flow. It's a matter of choice.

I am however deeply empathic towards the suffering of others. It's just how I am and I can't escape that. Although not always possible I do try my best to place myself in other people's position and see how I would react in their situation. Most of the time my answers come from that...and with that comes my compassion.

It doesn't make me a better person than anyone else. I'm not without faults, I'm far from a Saint. Some might think I'm blind to reality and putting my head in the sand. And that is ok too. I can see their point.

Whatever situation I am confronted with I ask myself...how does it feel deep within myself, does it make me feel good or bad and if it feels bad I will try to turn that feeling towards something more positive. Sometimes that is easier than at other times, but I will do my best. It takes practice, but it has worked for me.

So I don't know if this helps Astro, but it's all I can give you at this moment in time.

Anonymous · ‎01-02-2016

Evo, I don't think I took "issue" with it.

I understand what you are saying, don't get me wrong. I do feel however that we are just not all as equipped to fight, for whatever reasons.

If someone needs my help because they can't help themselves, should I let them suffer? I just can't do that. It goes against my nature.

If others don't have that same nature there is nothing I can do about that. Looking at the state of this world many people who can actually make a difference don't give a toss about the suffering they cause others. I personally don't like to fall into that category.

artful_dodgings · ‎01-02-2016

@astrologica wrote:
One of the biggest problems this world faces is overpopulation. And both the Islamic and Catholic religions urge their people to go forth and multiply. It's high time that both these religions arrive in the 21st Century and realise that breeding like rabbits is not good for their people. A family's resources are more easily stretched between two children than five or six children.

The difference there is that the Caltholic religion don't make 'world domination' their mantra.

artful_dodgings · ‎01-02-2016

Good postings, Evoman. Spot on, nail-on-head, and bull's eye. Meant to add that to my previous post, took a phone call, and was timed out to edit.

astrologica · ‎01-02-2016

That is true Artful...but they are just as responsible as Muslims for the overpopulation in this world. Some more enlightened Catholic countries have relaxed their stance, but it is totally at odds with the Pope's teachings. Both of those religions seem to be totally oblivious of the misery that too many mouths to feed causes for their people.

astrologica · ‎01-02-2016

Thank you Harry for explaining your philosophy for dealing with life. I wish I could be a little more trusting in the future. I have been around a while, and I guess I have become more cynical in my old age! And I have less sympathy, empathy and compassion for people who have contributed to their own sorry state....and whilst saying that, I mean in all aspects of life, and not just pertaining to the current migrant crisis.

Anonymous · ‎01-02-2016

Astro, in a few weeks I will be 56, so hardly a spring chicken myself.

I do totally understand people's cynicism. In today's world it is hard not to be, so I don't blame anyone for that.

It is not so much trusting the future as letting it unfold and deal with it as it comes in an as positive way possible.

It often comes down to "what we reap, we sow".................so what are we sowing today.................

merehazle · ‎02-02-2016

@astrologica wrote:
Thank you Harry for explaining your philosophy for dealing with life. I wish I could be a little more trusting in the future. I have been around a while, and I guess I have become more cynical in my old age! And I have less sympathy, empathy and compassion for people who have contributed to their own sorry state....and whilst saying that, I mean in all aspects of life, and not just pertaining to the current migrant crisis.

Well...rightfully ''concerned'' Astro.

I think we have the right to be concerned that our carefully managed National immunisation/inoculation care plan for our own nationals is not compromised by the hordes who have arrived (and will arrive) on these shores uninvited.

We have more TB out breaks, Polio and Scarlet fever and and whooping cough and other long lost disease's which have not been amongst us for many years.

Immigrants should be checked out before they are allowed into Britain. Is that too much to ask? As it is in their interest too. A little late for so many that have entered our country uninvited. But without doubt it mattered. Well look what has happened.

We have out breaks of scabies in the Calais 'jungle' camp. That surly must be a warning to us. It is hardly right to try to cope with this after the event. Especially with the situation in our health services now. In fact it is nothing short of irresponsible madness.