Corbyn in the Calais 'Jungle' camp.

[merehazle]

Read all about it:

He says: ''Let in all refugee children''. On a chaotic tour of the Calais camp, Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn calls for Britain to open it's doors to 'hundreds of thousands'. Corbyn suggested UK should admit unaccompanied children immediately. His call came on tour of two migrant camps in Dunkirk and Calais.

Excuse me! These vulnerable children are already in a civilised country, i. e. France, so why aren't they looking after their welfare?

'Unaccompanied children'. Are you really that dense Mr Corbyn? These 'children' have made their way through Europe, found their way to Calais. Hang on .... I think that's Mum and Dad peeping around the corner. Perhaps as soon as all of the 'unaccompanied children' establish themselves on British shores, the relatives will come out of the woodwork with a demand to be reunited with their 'lost youngsters'.

I was comparing my picture in my attachment to these people in that camp. And they in the camp IMO should count their lucky stars. Many in obviously expensive gear, and very well fed. Why are some hiding their faces? With so many homeless on our streets your priorities are wrong!!!  Mr (lovely me?) Corbyn.    

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@astrologica wrote:

The parents of a UK born child would be more likely to have paid into the NHS than an immigrant child. When resources are severely limited, there should be some sort of criteria when decisions are made. As I said earlier...we have the National Health Service and not the world health service. Everyone cannot be treated for free...it's just not possible. And the operation I am waiting for would not be performed on a child, so no child would delay it for me. But an adult might....and if they had not contributed I would not be a happy bunny. Do you not think that as I have worked all my working life, and contributed to the NHS, and am in need of this operation, that I should get it before any immigrant who has not contributed. If you don't agree...then your way of thinking makes no sense to me at all.

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Well that's not the subject of the thread of course - the thread is about abandoned/orphaned child refugees not currently in this country but I won't dodge the question.

IF someone has been granted residency in the country then you should both be treated equally by the NHS, (which of course is currently the case).  To do anything different would mean establishing a system of 'second-class' citizenship.  If you are talking about someone who has come into the country as a visitor or as an illegal immigrant then you should get priority.

On the subject of the thread then if as proposed we do accept just a few thousand orphaned children into this country and their medical needs are more urgent than mine then I won't feel any resentment about them being treated before me.

There was a television programme just recently about Nicholas Winton and how he helped nearly 700 Jewish children from Prague setlle in this country - I'm sure not many would say that what he did was not the right thing to do despite many objections in this country at the time to accepting Jewish refugees - the greatest opposition predictably coming from the Daily Mail.

More likely to delay your operation are those people rich enough to pay for their treatment, employing the same doctors and hiring the same NHS facilities as will be used for your treatment.  Priority in those cases is given on the basis of ability to pay and not on need. A similar argument to saying you have paid into the system, they haven't therefore you should get priority.

[astrologica]

Yes....this thread has digressed from the original question , and I don't think you and I will ever agree on the original subject of immigration. And the NHS is just one aspect of the strain that is going to be put on UK resources.

[merehazle]

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@astrologica wrote:

Yes....this thread has digressed from the original question , and I don't think you and I will ever agree on the original subject of immigration. And the NHS is just one aspect of the strain that is going to be put on UK resources.

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Yes, I thought that astro. Fact is I have lost touch with it. And wont be searching through that lot again.Though It is obvious to me that someone does protest too much  Anyway, perhaps you might read all about this in my ''attachment''. Well I'm on my new tablet, and hope you can see & read most of it. This touch screen takes some getting used to, my words and pictures are flying everywhere. I'll take another kind of tablet to calm me down. And be back with your tea and bicuits tonight.

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Had you searched "through that lot again" you would have found the following in #24,

"On the other hand there are the 6 foot men claiming to be 14, parents using their children to gain residency and so on."

" . . . . . . . . . Yes, the media are guilty of dramatising individual cases, such as the tragic story of the drowned boy, in order to make 'news' - they are just as guilty of publishing stories that dramatise the cases of the 'rogue' refugees.  Both sell and are devoured by individuals of all sorts of persuasion and in both cases the consumer ends up treating all these individuals as just part of number not as human beings"

[artful_dodgings]

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@Anonymous wrote:

As I see it.....We're damned if we do and damned if we don't.

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Well if that's the case DH, we don't. Full stop, new paragraph.

May as well be hung for a sheep as a lamb.

[Anonymous]

It's funny that at the root of all this lies fear.

People flee because of fear and now we fear that they are coming here.

We fear for our incomes, our healthcare, our way of life, our culture, our religion and so on.

We fear change.

Most people do. It unsettles us, we lose our balance, we lose our place in society, we lose some of our identity. We are afraid to lose who we are or who we think we are.

It makes us the same as those who have fled. They live with the same fears, but see no other choice than go into an uncertain future and hope for the best.

Maybe we should all let go of that fear. The world is for ever changing and we have to change with it. We have no choice. So maybe a bit of faith and trust that things will work out in the end is the only way to go.

[tommy.irene]

Were are they going to go too..http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/world-news/sweden-may-deport-up-to-80000-asylumseekers-344039...

[*.*..lola..*.*]

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@Anonymous wrote:

It's funny that at the root of all this lies fear.

People flee because of fear and now we fear that they are coming here.

We fear for our incomes, our healthcare, our way of life, our culture, our religion and so on.

We fear change.

Most people do. It unsettles us, we lose our balance, we lose our place in society, we lose some of our identity. We are afraid to lose who we are or who we think we are.

It makes us the same as those who have fled. They live with the same fears, but see no other choice than go into an uncertain future and hope for the best.

Maybe we should all let go of that fear. The world is for ever changing and we have to change with it. We have no choice. So maybe a bit of faith and trust that things will work out in the end is the only way to go.

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Nice sentiment, Harry which on the whole I agree with but unfortunately I don't have a lot of faith and trust in the government.

[artful_dodgings]

..*..lola..*..wrote:

Nice sentiment, Harry which on the whole I agree with but unfortunately I don't have a lot of faith and trust in the government.

Not a fan of 'Call Me Dave' Lola, but I'd put my trust in him, than rather than the bearded New Age Traveller. I seem to recall the UKIP party having a poster at the General Election, depicting the White Cliffs of Dover, with three escalators running up the side. If Corbyn were ever to be ensconced in No. 10, that vision would no doubt become a reality. With a couple of moving walkways placed strategically along the east coast for good measure.

On the immigration front, that man would be an utter liability.

[joe_bloggs*]

Net migration to Britain is at an all time high, official figures have confirmed.

The 330,000 total is more than triple the Tories' 100,000 target - and comes afterthe party tried to bury the figures under their House of Lords announcement. 

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/net-migration-reaches-time-high-6328914

Looks like its pig fondler dave who's the utter liability 

[artful_dodgings]

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@tommy.irene wrote:

Were are they going to go too..http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/world-news/sweden-may-deport-up-to-80000-asylumseekers-344039...

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Probably Corbyn's already planning a fact finding tour of Sweden as we speak, to cordially invite them over here.

@joe_bloggs* wrote:

Looks like its pig fondler dave who's the utter liability

Despite the Tory's appalling record on immigration, at least Comedy Dave is attempting to make a stance on the claiming of benefits by immigrants the moment they land on these shores, having contributed absolute zero to the pot..

[joe_bloggs*]

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@artful_dodgings wrote:

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@tommy.irene wrote:

Were are they going to go too..http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/world-news/sweden-may-deport-up-to-80000-asylumseekers-344039...

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Probably Corbyn's already planning a fact finding tour of Sweden as we speak, to cordially invite them over here.

@joe_bloggs* wrote:

Looks like its pig fondler dave who's the utter liability

Despite the Tory's appalling record on immigration, at least Comedy Dave is attempting to make a stance on the claiming of benefits by immigrants the moment they land on these shores, having contributed absolute zero to the pot..

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The more people out there who actually read and think about things for themselves the better,instead of being guilibly led and believing everything they read and see in the mostly right wing media,It really doesn't take a lot of brainpower to see though camerons  bull,no doubt he'll come back from his re-negotiations in Europe waving bits of paper claiming to have reached a fantastic agreement for the UK,and once again the guilible will fall for it

[artful_dodgings]

So you really think he's on some kind of bizarre PR stunt ?

*rolls out of thread in hysterics*

[joe_bloggs*]

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@artful_dodgings wrote:

So you really think he's on some kind of bizarre PR stunt ?

*rolls out of thread in hysterics*

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David Cameron: Once a PR Man, Always a PR Man

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/robin-lustig/david-cameron_b_8267718.html

No wonder he prefers to imagine a wonderful world in which the least well-off miraculously find well-paid jobs and affordable homes and no longer need any help from their fellow tax-payers. It's a world in which ethnic, religious and gender discrimination has vanished and every British Muslim bakes prize-winning cakes.

It's not the real world, of course, nor a world that the rest of us recognise. It's the world of the PR man - which he once was, and still is.

[astrologica]

Joe....it's not Daves fault that we have record numbers of immigrants. If you read that link, it tells you that this rise has been fuelled by 269.000 EU immigrants. His hands are tied, because we are a member of the EU. If we had a Labour government, the numbers would be the same. While we are in the EU those numbers will just keep on rising. So don't blame Dave.

[joe_bloggs*]

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@astrologica wrote:

Joe....it's not Daves fault that we have record numbers of immigrants. If you read that link, it tells you that this rise has been fuelled by 269.000 EU immigrants. His hands are tied, because we are a member of the EU. If we had a Labour government, the numbers would be the same. While we are in the EU those numbers will just keep on rising. So don't blame Dave.

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 I know,poor dave,i shouldn't be so hard on him 

[astrologica]

😄😄😄

[merehazle]

Yes... the ''effects'' of WAR. 

It's heart breaking to see the effects of war. Her husband dead, her home gone, and yet she wanted to save her two dogs (under cart). Her horse was obviously exhausted.  Heaven knows where they all finished up. I can only say she must be the most wonderful example of a human being.  Focus in on her face and see the pain and despair. Yes, that's war for you.  Hazle cried looking at that picture. BTW  around 75,000 dogs were put down in the first week of the second world war.  That's war for you.   

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So little changes

[evoman3957]

.........and therein lies mankinds ultimate "Doom".....the technology they use advances endlessly, but their mentality remains as basic as ever.