Brexit

[guitarsandwoods]

Hello everyone,

I searched the forums about this and did not find anything, and I believe it is an interesting subject to dscuss, as the referendum approaches.

I know it can be a touchy subject, but I wonder what your thoughts about it? Will it change in any way the relationship with the European Union? Can this subject harm or benefit your business?

Disclaimer: I am not interested in anything political side of the issue, only the economic side.

Thank you.

[evoman3957]

http://community.ebay.co.uk/t5/The-Round-Table/OK-in-or-out/td-p/4685884/page/23

post # 457

[hicburp]

"Vote Leave side -  bankrolled by the likes of Arron Banks, Peter Hargreaves  etc etc  and supported by Wetherspoons Boss Tim Martin"

Vote Remain side - bankrolled by the likes of Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan, Citigroup,

(USA Banks who are only interested in their own bottom line. USA Banks do not give a **bleep**e about the UK people.)

Vote Remain side - supported by UK business funded by the EU - in the newspapers 24th Feb 2016 - the link is below

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/646917/David-Cameron-business-leader-stay-EU-grants-Brussels-...

Oh and something the EU forgot to mention.....

Another BIG £2.4 Billion Bill Coming To The UK From The EU Very Shorty After The Referendum.

[artful_dodgings]

'Then we have the Artur Daley of Politics, everybody's favourite ex Merchant Banker Our Nigel'.

Well personally speaking, I'd rather put my trust in Nigel Farage than the Bullingdon Boar's Head, the Latter Day Hippy, or the other one who's name is instantly forgettable.

[astrologica]

And so would I Art. And...it if wasn't for Mr Farage we wouldn't be having this opportunity to vote on our own future.

[joe_bloggs*]

the funny thing in all this squabling on both sides is i,ll bet most people don't even know which MEP represents them (without googling)

[baybizz]

>> #65: I'll bet most people don't even know which MEP represents them...

Doesn't matter. They are irrelevant anyway - it's just a pretence at democracy... while the real decisions are taken in secret upstairs...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYqzcqDtL3k&t=491

[terry6082]

Since 1999 I believe we're represented by a number of MEP's. It's eight in the North West where I am. I certainly don't remember eight names. 

[theelench]

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@astrologica wrote:

And so would I Art. And...it if wasn't for Mr Farage we wouldn't be having this opportunity to vote on our own future.

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Very true.  The establishment want us to be In and have done everything they can to prevent any sort of popular vote on the subject.

The people who really run things are always un-democratic, always pulling the strings behind the scenes.  Not only can I not remember any of the MEPs who were meant to represent me I can't remember any MEP canvassing public opinion on any issue within the EU.  They are just another department in the EU bureaucracy, there to give a veneer of democracy to a bureaucratic state.

[baybizz]

>> #67:  Since 1999 I believe we're represented by a number of MEP's...

Yes, but the EU "parliament" has been carefully set up so that it is just a talking shop. Members of the European parliament (MEPs) cannot initiate or change legislation...

>> This is not a Parliament in any real sense, as they have no right to propose laws. Instead it is a façade, created to make the EU look democratic, rather than give the public a choice over those who makes their laws. The Parliament does vote and can make amendments on laws proposed by the Commission, but the Commission must accept any of the amendments proposed for the changes to become effective, showing where the real power lies.

>> Additionally, once something becomes an EU law, the EU Parliament has no ability to initiate a change to this law. All the power is given to the EU Commission... This EU Commission is made up of 28 unelected EU Commissioners, who cannot be held to account... this unelected EU Commission... is the Government of Europe, which has the sole right to propose the laws which increasingly encroach on our lives here in Britain...

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/undemocratic-eu-9514608.html

I assume you missed my video link in #66 above, which further explains this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYqzcqDtL3k&t=491

[upthecreekyetagain]

You are correct and the power of the commission is something that needs to be curtailed and passed to the European Parliament.  Of course doing so will be a step towards a federal Europe.  Something I'd like to see but is unlikely in my lifetime - creating a Federal Europe would take power away from those very politicians who control the European Commission.

[john.b74]

Brexit could lead to EU break-up - Swedish FM Wallstrom - BBC News         /// http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36504890

[john.b74]

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@john.b74 wrote:

Brexit could lead to EU break-up - Swedish FM Wallstrom - BBC News         /// http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36504890

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http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/678280/EU-referendum-Brexit-France-European-Union-Europe

[mikes*corvettes]

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/677994/EU-European-Union-referendum-Holland-Netherlands-Brexit-N...

The first one out of any ponzi scheme is not only the biggest but the only winner.

[start-the-fire]

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@artful_dodgings wrote:

'Then we have the Artur Daley of Politics, everybody's favourite ex Merchant Banker Our Nigel'.

Well personally speaking, I'd rather put my trust in Nigel Farage than the Bullingdon Boar's Head, the Latter Day Hippy, or the other one who's name is instantly forgettable.

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Never took to Farage, however listening him on the Marr show this morning I thought he was excellent, yes its a rocky road into the unknown, but i think it is the better option to what is certain to come in the future.

Think it was question time the other week that they were on about we needed more housing and to build these we needed to build on more green belt, and needed more construction workers from poland etc-  seems clear to me that to do this we would need more houses to house these workers and families etc, and the rate you can build new houses today what happens when there are enough built, more unemployment? what about the extra infrastructure, and associated services required from council, hospital staff police etc required all to a cost to the taxpayer.

About time countries grew up and stopped behaving like spoilt brats in the playground.

Uk leaves then i think we will be the first of many, the eu is no longer fit for purpose, and there is no hope of changing this, certainly not in its present form.

Minds made up - out.

[baybizz]

[artful_dodgings]

'British diplomats secretly discussed granting visa-free travel to the UK for more than 1m Turks, according to leaked diplomatic cables seen by The Sunday Times.

The cache of five documents also suggests that EU officials are attempting to keep any visa deal with Turkey under wraps until after the referendum on June 23'.

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/leaked-uk-plan-to-open-doors-for-1m-turks-n085h225w

Beer and sandwiches in a smokey room, or champagne and pate de foie gras in the old boy's club ?

[fallen-archie]

[suzieseaside]

Another little bonus of Brexit ........

From a short letter to the Editor of The Week

" Thank you for alerting us to the assertion by the chief executive of JPMorgan Chase that Brexit could mean 4000 fewer bankers.

I was wavering before I read this"

[brandyknackers]

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@suzieseaside wrote:

Another little bonus of Brexit ........

From a short letter to the Editor of The Week

" Thank you for alerting us to the assertion by the chief executive of JPMorgan Chase that Brexit could mean 4000 fewer bankers.

I was wavering before I read this"

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Just think of the saving in bonuses

[artful_dodgings]

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@suzieseaside wrote:

Another little bonus of Brexit ........

From a short letter to the Editor of The Week

" Thank you for alerting us to the assertion by the chief executive of JPMorgan Chase that Brexit could mean 4000 fewer bankers.

I was wavering before I read this"

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Did it say anything in the letter about putting them all out to grass ? That would even more of an incentive.