Brexit never gonnae happen they way you think!

[celticthebhoys585]

Never in a way you brexiters thought it would. All the chamelons have been exposed,tight majority vote.Country and goverment in chaos.

It's the money men that will decide as always! What made you think they'd let the people decide-never have done in centuries!

[lambsy_uk]

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@upthecreekyetagain wrote:

Steve McCauley in the Guardian came up with a solution.

England and Wales could leave the UK which would automatically terminate their membership of the EU - Scotland and NI would remain in the UK and retain membership of the EU. 

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Trouble here is NI voted to exit the EU and so this would not be acceptable for them.

[lambsy_uk]

Much that I read and hear about our exit from the EU is amusing and also rather pathetic.

I voted to remain and yet I certainly am not clinging on. I find it pathetic that I'd be called a Remoaner. Ridiculous that those who achieved the result they wanted still feel they have to lash out and belittle those who were disappointed.

There's many like myself who voted to remain but are quite happy to accept the result and hope it brings a bright future. Much moaning seems to come from those who voted to leave. They moan because they may not get the type of exit they hoped for. They squabble over Immigration versus Single Market, Hard v Soft exit. They moan because they are frustrated at the timescales involved. They moan because they have little or no view regarding progress, plans or negotiating position for exit.

They got what they wanted but then it's not enough; now they want more, now they are the ones moaning while many of those that voted remain are happy to just let em get on with it.

I voted remain and yet I sleep well at night now. I'm over the initial shock; I've come to terms with it all and view the future with hope and optimism. Far from moaning many like myself are observing the victors squabbling and moaning and posturing and on and on and on........

Get over it and let the Government get on with it in the way they feel is best!

Oh and if the Scots wish to leave I'd be sad to see them go, but I wouldn't lose sleep over it.

[upthecreekyetagain]

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@astrologica wrote:

Only one problem with that Creeks....we Welsh don't want to leave the U.K. We believe in the UNITED Kingdom. Oh yes....we have the equivalent of Scotland's idiots, continually banging on about independence, but ours are not so loud. They know full well that the majority are quite happy being part of the United Kingdom. The drive for devolution has been pushed and prodded and fed byBrussels, because they know that if we are divided we are easier to control. 

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I'm not sure that 'belief' is the right word in that context but I do believe that each of the four parts of the UK are stronger economically and culturally as a group than they are individually, (the same reason incidentally that I think we have made a mistake in leaving the EU).

It is easy to say that the majority of Scots don't want their independence but it's not a binary decision.  What do you think the result of a referendum would be on the abolition of the Scottish Parliament?  The very existence of this body and that of the Welsh Assembly as well as Stormont demonstrate a majority desire for a level of independence within the UK and the perception that England, historically and factually, has the major influence in decisions made by the UK. 

The EU referendum has thrown a spanner in the works - the decision to leave has essentially been made by England, (the 80,000 majority in Wales made no difference either way), and I can understand why the Scots are unsettled by this when almost 2 in every 3 in their country voted to remain. 

Decisions imposed on the UK by the EU was one of the major arguments used by the 'Leave Campaign' - those of us in favour of keeping the UK together need to be more conciliatory over the views of the Scots.

[upthecreekyetagain]

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@lambsy_uk wrote:

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@upthecreekyetagain wrote:

Steve McCauley in the Guardian came up with a solution.

England and Wales could leave the UK which would automatically terminate their membership of the EU - Scotland and NI would remain in the UK and retain membership of the EU. 

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Trouble here is NI voted to exit the EU and so this would not be acceptable for them.

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Norther Ireland voted 349,442 to leave, 440,707 to remain - an 11.6% majority to remain.

[astrologica]

The Welsh Assembly does exist yes.....but there is no way that anyone can say that the majority of Welsh people are in favour of it. We had a referendum on the matter in 1997. Only 50.22% of eligible voters bothered to turn out to vote. Out of the votes, 50.3 voted for a Welsh Assembly and 49.7 voted against. The difference between the votes was just 6,721 votes. So Wales got an Assembly on roughly a 25% vote. You can hardly call that a majority. The only people who love the Assembly are the people who work there. No-one else has a good word to say about it. Come to the poor valleys of Wales , Creeks, and ask the people who live in these valleys what they think of the Assembly.....the answers are unprintable! 

[upthecreekyetagain]

Yet in the referendum held in the Spring of 2011 there was a roughly two thirds to one third majority in favour of extending the powers of the assembly!

[astrologica]

Yes...you are quite correct with those figures.....but the important figure was turnout....and only 35% of the eligible population voted. Not exactly a majority is it! Turnout in elections and referendums inWales is always poor...until the EU referendum, when the figures improved. 

[upthecreekyetagain]

You are quite right about the low turnout, (a real disgrace) - in numerical terms though there was a majority of about 220,000 - compare that to the just 80,000 majority in favour of leaving the EU.

[astrologica]

So, all you lovely Brexiteers....is Mr Tony Blair going to make you think again and change your mind? After all....you didn't know what you were voting for , did you?

[evoman3957]

That's one stinking pig of a human being and professes to be a christian at that.........says it all doesn't it !!!

[theelench]

Isn't Blair the epitome of what so many were voting against.   A career politician, totally detached from the people he was supposed to be representing.   The leader of a bunch of people who believe that they are entitled to rule and carry out their policies regardless of what the electorate vote for.    He's lived off the taxpayer all his life and was looking forward to a sinecure in the EU to continue doing so.

 Both he and his party were determined that we should never have a referendum in the first place but as he doesn't like the result now wants a second one.

If anything, if this self-serving buffoon supports another vote it will probably increase the majority for Leave.

[mikes*corvettes]

Blair should be put up against a wall and shot for all of our people who died in a war that was started because it suited the Global Elitist's like himself.

[theelench]

Even if you accept the idea of a global elite manipulating all the various governments of the world in some master-plan I can't see Blair being a part of it. 

If this elite exists at all it uses here-today-gone-tomorrow politicians as the hired help,  isn't it contradictory that a shadowy cabal would find it acceptable to be in the spot-light of a high public office.  

[celticthebhoys585]

Not going quite as well as you's thought is it? LOL nitwits

Never learn will you.

[javikha_4]

A lot less well than was hoped, by some of the brexiteers. Bet they were expecting a wall up by now as well.

[joe_bloggs*]

Turns out our Scottish friend was correct from the very start !

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@celticthebhoys585 wrote:

Never in a way you brexiters thought it would. All the chamelons have been exposed,tight majority vote.Country and goverment in chaos.

It's the money men that will decide as always! What made you think they'd let the people decide-never have done in centuries!

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[celticthebhoys585]

Thanks suprised not.

Yeah it's quite amazing the attitude WITH SOME BREXY'S  south and some up here too .Still think the Empire is dominating around the world and everyone should listen to them. We'll do this and we'll do that - we're coming out and you're getting no money lol -that went well then. God if only some of my country folk had not been taken in,lied to,duped in 2014 we'd be free of awe this mince by now and getting on with our little life in the real world!

Don't worry we'll still give you a free trade deal -after all you still need our Oil,Gas,Water,Electric,Food & Whiskey .Just might have to pay a weeee bit more  

We'll throw in a few fish and some cattle too 

[astrologica]

We have loads of lovely water in Wales...in fact we very generously allow England to have some of it.🙂

[cee-dee]

Didn't a lot of it just run away to"waste" before "The English" decided to build a few stone walls to hold some of it back so it could be piped to England in times of need? 

[astrologica]

One of the last Welsh-only speaking villages in Wales was flooded and submerged to form a reservoir to supply water to Liverpool and the Wirral. Very controversial at the time.