This is going to mean the end for many small private sellers. "Buyer Protection Fee"

[vinylscot]

https://www.ebay.co.uk/help/buying/paying-items/buyer-protection?id=5594

75p plus 4% buyers fee, so something which was priced at £5 will be £5.95 in February.

[incredible_how]

your post made me go have a look - and it is now happening in Home, Furniture & DIY > Stationery & School Equipment but not in Collectables > Paper & Ephemera > Greeting Cards or Postcards & Supplies > Postcards

[incredible_how]

Home, Furniture and DIY have just recently gone to buyer protection

[johnwash1]

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@a45heaven wrote:

I've shown an example, I guess it's up to to show a screenshot where it's missing.  That might clear up any misunderstanding.

@johnwash1 

Im sorry 'home page' was the wrong title for the page . I dont know how to make screen shots either without assistance.

if you do a search for say, 'paint' you get a host  of items  found.

scrolling down that lot , you have no idea if they are private or business, until you click on an item and beside the sellers name, greyed out is B or P.

That was my point in that both types of sellers will be hit with buyer claims in the future. 

Hope this clarifies a tad.

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@a45heaven 

Yes, thanks, that does clarify.  You could even say we're on the same page!  Hohoho, puns4u.

True it's not shown in the search, before going to an item.  But I'm not sure that matters anyhow.  At the search stage for me there are more important criteria for whittling down the candidates.

To digress for a moment, taking  screenshots can be a handy 'skill' to have.  I don't know what platform you're on, Windows various flavours, Apple, Linux, Android...  but a search engine question like "how to take screenshot on xyz system" will soon guide you and then you'll realise how simple it is and why I put it in quotes, hardly a skill.  Or look on youtube.  It's crazy that we get sold computers and nobody teaches us.  It's as if we bought our first car and are driving on the M25 with no instruction.

[lucy_farmer]

'lets see how you fare with the reality of it...when you have to reduce your asking price'

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I'm not going to. And when Simple Delivery is compulsory I'm probably not going to be selling at all.

Yes ; I'm very fortunate in not having to rely on money from ebay sales to pay my bills. And any *genuine* private seller who is relying on ebay for money is taking a real gamble....

 "Private" sellers who are all cutting prices to get sales so they can pay for stock, and pay the suppliers of vintage cricket bats and vintage angle-poise lamps, for example, should be on business accounts anyway.

And these business accounts don't have to deal with the new rules.

[a45heaven]

Many thanks

At the search stage for me there are more important criteria for whittling down the candidates.

I was showing that as a buyer , i could see which sellers will be having the Buyers Protection Surcharge added , i never use ebay for Set Sale - theres a lot better locations to buy from , it was in relation to auctions - which im very unsure as to how that effect is going to show on bids and the check outs. 

My belief is this fiasco will be carried over to Business Sellers once Private sellers get trodden under.

Divide and separate twixt the two formats appears to be a prime objective of ebay.

[hideawayvideo]

I can see all of my prices have risen this morning, but when I click to
revise, I see the original listing price... I guess it has started with
Media Items, like CDs and DVDs?

[sweetcharity.2013]

It's also in the craft listings this morning, so I think it could be site-wise by now. 😒

[barry.110]

I just checked on one of my listings, some CDs, and sure enough if I go to the revise your listing page it tells me how much a UK buyer will pay in the additional fee. When I look at my active listings I just see the price I set. However when I look at my items not logged in it shows with the buyer fee added. I had no idea that it had actually started with the buyers fee already.

I don't think it is site wide just yet as I have a Funko Pop listed and it is still showing the price I listed it at. Also I have a Lego set listed as an auction and it is still at the start price, though it has got one bid at that price, so it would be interesting to see if the fee does get added to the toys category if it will be added to this currently running auction

[maujohwai]

The change from selling fee to buyer protection fee doesn't affect me much financially — ebay still just take a cut of what the buyer pays.

But I choose prices to look good, e.g. (up to now) £5.99 or £29 if post-free, or £3.44 + postage £1.55, and these have all been disrupted now, and I shall have to adjust every one individually.

I also often price by comparison with a similar or identical item from another seller; if they are a private seller theirs will have gone up correspondingly, but if they are a business seller I have quite likely just become uncompetitive.

At least, if you revise a listing, the buyer protection fee is quoted just about your price, which makes it easier to calculate a new basic price which will result in what the final price used to be. It would help, though, if there were a button to adjust it automatically, or even the facility to do this to several or all your listings in one go in Bulk Edit!

[akemp1]

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@maujohwai wrote:

At least, if you revise a listing, the buyer protection fee is quoted just about your price, which makes it easier to calculate a new basic price which will result in what the final price used to be. It would help, though, if there were a button to adjust it automatically, or even the facility to do this to several or all your listings in one go in Bulk Edit!

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Yeah it's such a pain and as a buyer there will be so many listings with oddball strange penny combination prices going on. It's like that on AliExpress etc due to currency conversion and I hate it. I find it hard to shop and compare when there's so many weird numbers to think about. I much prefer buying items when the price is a round multiple of 25p or if it's 99p then I just round it up to the nearest pound in my head.

I don't mind the postage price being unround based on the published delivery rates but if the item price is unusual too then it's too much effort to add them up to compare with costs on other sites. It make shopping online a chore so I would probably just buy less.

The weird prices and broken search it's such a shame this is happening to ebay which used to be a genuinely nice place to buy and sell and is now getting distorted by endless misguided commercial tweaking.

As both a buyer and seller I can't say "bring back private seller fees" enough times.

[incredible_how]

not yet - curiously magazines are now buyer protected but not books. Postcards in collectables and clothing in vintage & ethnographic are not 

[rebsm-7457]

Your right apologies I hadn't seen that ebay has put the price of my listings up, I mean I came to a price I thought was fair and now they have added to it, im only destashing but still ...  is this even legal?   Makes quite a difference when your item is only a couple of quid anyway. 

[akemp1]

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@rebsm-7457 wrote:

Your right apologies I hadn't seen that ebay has put the price of my listings up, I mean I came to a price I thought was fair and now they have added to it, im only destashing but still ...  is this even legal?   Makes quite a difference when your item is only a couple of quid anyway. 

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It's legal if you agree to it by continuing to use the account after they gave a month's notice of the change.

I do wonder if the way they are presenting it to the buyers is sufficiently clear - it's borderline. It's a balance between highlighting to the buyer that there are fees being charged to them and risking them abandon the basket and meeting minimum legal requirements to detail what they are paying for.  I was expecting it to need to be part of the top-right summary on the checkout page but them seem to have hidden it down in the item cost breakdown where nobody probably looks if the total on the top right looks as expected.

[goodibags]

"curiously magazines are now buyer protected but not books"

Therein madness lies. If you have a Wimbledon tennis programme you can move it from Magazines (which attract a buyer fee) to Sports memorabilia (which have none). The original price is magically restored.

Hmm, Ebay so-called 'buyer protection' clearly ain't worth the paper it's printed on!

[jacleni]

This fee should be for items over £10. I’ve reduced price for items because they haven’t sold and now I’m back to square one as eBay has added on their bit and taken the price over what I was originally selling for. 
How is this justified when they are also keeping funds until 2 days after delivery, that in itself ensures the buyer is protected. Wake up eBay, a lot of people won’t bother selling now as it won’t be worth it.

[wintersdawn1]

Its pointless trying to out run the category that has fees on by listing it differently because all categories will have fee's soon.

[incredible_how]

@goodibags 

I'd been considering buying something in collectable ethnographic and have just come back 2 hours later and it's gone up in price!!
So yes, big chunks are moving. Wish I'd left some things on auction as they'd have stayed that little bit longer without buyer protection!!

[m-bevis-1815]

Notice how they had to call it Buyer Protection Fee, if they called it what it was, a Buyer Sales Tax, it would abbreviate to BST, forever then to be known as the bullsh*t tax (!)

[maujohwai]

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@incredible_how wrote:

not yet - curiously magazines are now buyer protected but not books

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Most of my listings are books, and all those I've looked at had been put up by this morning.

[goodibags]

"I'd been considering buying something in collectable ethnographic and have just come back 2 hours later and it's gone up in price!!"

Hmm, at the risk of annoying higher authorities, 'Collectable Ethnographics' does sound a little bit like 'Sports Memorabilia'. To me anyway.

Perhaps you give the seller a 'nudge'?  😉