THE EBAY OF 2025 - WHAT TO EXPECT AS A SMALL PRIVATE SELLER - SHOULD I STAY OR SHOULD I GO ?

Just as the title says...

 

Apparently a few disturbing/concerning changes to eBay coming in January & February 2025... 

 

1) eBay Managed Shipping.

 

2) Payment Holds until delivery of a sold item has been confirmed.

 

So I'm a bit confused about number 1 - eBay's managed shipping... Not sure how this is going to work ? and whether it will be something like Packlink (only made compulsory instead of optional) ... or will it be like an "eBay Global Shipping program" type of setup where we send our sold items to eBay's 3rd party distributor and they then forward the item to the buyer by their default postal service ??... something tells me this could be Evri  (Hermes ! )  - Not happy or comfortable with this !  knowing Evri aren't always great !  😞

 

Moving on to number 2 - payment holds/delays until a sold items has been confirmed delivered (or 14 days have passed since buyer purchased the item and the buyer hasn't opened any cases during that time)... This can now be time consuming to get paid... Like eBay's new managed payments wasn't already slow enough !... now it's getting even slower !... not ideal if you've  got little money in the bank that week and have to 'find money upfront' to pay for posting sold items (this can get pretty expensive if 2 or 3 heavy items which cost £20 to post sell on eBay at the same time to different buyers)... Oh wait a moment... Conveniently eBay now does managed shipping and  they'll let you have an advance on your buyer's payment to cover shipping costs PROVIDING YOU BUY IT AT AN INFLATED RATE FROM EBAY ONLY !... How nice !  😞 

 

Now the debate of whether I should stay ? or go ?

 

I have always loved buying and selling on eBay for many years... Would it be worth carrying on with these new changes which are very worrying... or would it be better to do what the old saying says and QUIT WHILST YOU'RE AHEAD ???

 

All comments welcome - The good, the bad and the ugly - Let's know what you all think !

 

would a small private seller be skinned alive by the new 2025 eBay ? I wonder ! 🤔 🙄 😁   

  

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Holding the money is cost cutting and interest earning at the same time, there is risk / problem reducing too, but for who?

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"wonder if ebay are monitoring this thread for negative reactions?"

 

Like when a politician does something all he /she has to do is watch the news in the evening to see what they should do or should have done then do a U turn. 

Will eBay do what they should have done? That said what should they do, they're in such a pickle.

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I’ve been trading on eBay for about 20 years and every time they’ve introduced changes, I’ve been concerned, but have carried on and coped. I’m thinking now however that it’s time to give up the battle. In truth, since the recent changes to no fees for private sellers, my footfall appears to have practically ceased anyway with sales the lowest for many Christmas seasons, despite upturns on other sites. In balancing the decision I ask myself..

1. Are my sales increasing on eBay? - No

2. Will adding an eBay fee for customers to pay help my sales? - No

3. Can I use my existing Royal Mail free collections service - Seems not - this is an absolute for me as I’m disabled and housebound.

4. Can I afford to wait 14 days plus before I get paid? Not really

5. Can I afford to not be paid at all in the event of disputed delivery? No

6. Can I rely on eBay’s customer service to listen, understand and act fairly? No

7. Do I feel like eBay cares about me as a seller? Absolutely not.

8. Do I believe eBay are making these changes to benefit the experience of buyers or sellers? No.

9. Do I trust eBay to make these changes efficiently and smoothly with a willingness to resolve teething problems in a timely manner? No

10. Do I feel these changes are to benefit eBay - enabling them to  ‘borrow’ our money, free of fees or interest charges,  a trading ‘partnership’ of coercion and control... Yes!

 

Well, I guess looking at that list, my decision is formed and I’m left with Amazon, Etsy…  hmm - we need an alternative non-American Corporate Monopoly who’ll play nicely! 

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"In fact eBay used to encourage sellers to fully list the description and any terms or conditions the seller had..."

 

20 years ago when I had my first digital camera in my description it said something like... "I film my parcels being posted into a post box, if you do not accept this evidence as proof of posting please do not buy" 

Of course back then it was stamps, no tracking. Would post at local sorting office box 2nd class and so many parcels would arrive next day.

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I wonder if ebay has checked its proposals against UK law and Regulations? In the UK, withholding a seller’s money for an undue length of time could potentially violate consumer protection laws, contract law, and financial regulations, depending on the circumstances.

I’m no lawyer but here’s a couple of thoughts:

 

Regulatory Violations (Financial Conduct Authority)

  •           If the merchant operates as a payment service provider (e.g., holding funds on behalf of sellers), it may be subject to the Payment Services Regulations 2017 or other financial laws.
  •           These regulations typically require funds to be held securely and transferred promptly.
  •           Prolonged withholding of funds may lead to complaints to the Financial Ombudsman Service (FOS) or regulatory action by the Financial Conduct Authority (FCA).

 

Unjust Enrichment

  •           If the merchant benefits financially from holding funds (e.g., earning interest), this could constitute unjust enrichment, which is actionable under UK law.

 

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Valid points on both , I did wonder about the legality of the announcements
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"every time they’ve introduced changes, I’ve been concerned"

 

Remember the stink kicked up over change of the original 'my ebay' page layout, this is way more serious shenanigans.

 

"hmm - we need an alternative non-American Corporate Monopoly who’ll play nicely!"

 

Always thought someone like Branson would complete using his branded venture capital business. Problem for new entrants is eBay is a product of evolution over a long time now and as such hard to compete with, if they are losing market share it's because of their own meddling. Just compete on price with the competition but not like the famous airline dirty tricks campaign of the 80s, that could backfire.

 

 

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If the competition gets too much and they go into liquidation what ultimately happens to all that money. They won't go bust but stranger things have happened, do they have respect enough for the masses to contemplate worst case scenarios and treat our money accordingly, since they will be holding so much of it. Thinking about it so many companies are at it (holding others money) since interest rates actually normalised after 15 years of being basically zero, new business model I suppose.

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That has crossed my mind and withdrew some money recently with current
system
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Using anti-government (Labour) propaganda isn't helpful? Seems to be a trend these days? Royal Mail was privatised and sold by the government (when the coalition, Tories and Lib Dems, were in power) and it is now a private business, hence, A Czech bilionaire can buy it (another asset going abroad??) ... It is NOT run by the government but regulated by a government arm (ofcom, accountable to the government, which is a massive difference to running it). PS If the sale of Royal Mail goes to that Czech billionaire he can do whatever he likes with it up to a point? PPS And all these galloping price rises have come about since it was privatised!

 

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@da-vids wrote:

"every time they’ve introduced changes, I’ve been concerned"

 

Remember the stink kicked up over change of the original 'my ebay' page layout, this is way more serious shenanigans.

 

"hmm - we need an alternative non-American Corporate Monopoly who’ll play nicely!"

 

Always thought someone like Branson would complete using his branded venture capital business. Problem for new entrants is eBay is a product of evolution over a long time now and as such hard to compete with, if they are losing market share it's because of their own meddling. Just compete on price with the competition but not like the famous airline dirty tricks campaign of the 80s, that could backfire.

 

 


Other entrants came in far more recently, and made inroads rather quickly.  So for someone like Branson, if he thought it a worthwhile business, he could still get into it.

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For @dch2112011  and anyone else wondering about how eBay might handle free shipping in Simple Delivery - I have a friend in the UK who helped me get some screenshots of what the current options look like.

 

Note: this is on a newly created private account, the option was showing in both desktop web and app experiences, and they only saw the Simple Delivery option on drafts in clothing categories - it was not available in other categories for them at this time, which makes sense if the expansion is a phased rollout as the CEO has said.

 

For clothing items, it shows Simple Delivery as the first/default automatically selected method, with Custom postage as an alternative.

 

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eBay also shows a default weight and size selection and an estimated "starting from" rate that will be shown to the buyer.

 

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The only change the seller can make is to select a different size/weight range from pre-set options.

 

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Other than that, the seller has no input or control over what is shown to buyers - you cannot select which carriers you will or will not offer, what the rates will be, or choose free/seller paid shipping.

 

Contrast that to the Custom Postage option, which does allow the seller to change/control those aspects.

 

 

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Allowing for the possibility that there might be some slight differences in different categories and/or changes before it becomes mandatory, I still believe it's reasonable to suggest it will likely be at least similar to this experience after the mandate and eBay will likely just remove the button for the Custom Postage on items they determine are eligible and must use Simple Delivery.

 

So we can see from those screenshots that what I previously described about the process is true - for items using Simple Delivery, the seller has zero control or input to affect what is shown to the buyer, including whether or not free shipping is an option.

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Thank you @valueaddedresource  and to your UK. Friend - it looks like what I suspected... sadly this will affect many, many private sellers and possibly in the future they could implement it for Business sellers? It would not surprise me at all. 

 

Disappointing, and feeling deflated probably due to " brain overload"... time for a cuppa and a rest - tomorrows a new day 😉 

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All these changes - last year's and the forthcoming ones - have really put the kaibosh on my selling plans.

 

The 14-day hold - despite my lack of clarity regarding eBay's stated reason for it (as stated in my earlier post) - isn't a problem for me, although I acknowledge that it is for some others.

 

But just about everything else is!

 

Removal of cash on collection, further exposing sellers to potential abuse of the MBG. I have quite a lot of items that I had intended to list as CoC due to their weight and/or bulkiness. If I ever do list them as CoC (with all the other changes as well, I'm not even sure that I will list anything on eBay going forward), it will be with a high degree of nervousness. This alone was a really mean-spirited move on eBay's part (from the seller perspective).

 

'Simple' Delivery (assuming it does indeed become mandatory). Like so many others here, I am very resistant to the prospect of having to go to a variety of places to post items according to buyers' choices of courier and service. I have no printer for the labels that eBay would send, and no desire to buy one solely for this purpose, so just printing a label would necessitate a trip into town to the library. It would also cost 10p per print-out - not much of an outlay, but an additional cost nevertheless. Even if I had a printer, there's the cost of electricity and printer ink. Then back home to affix the label, and out again to post or drop off the package (unless I took the package, as well as bits of stationery, to the library with me). I guess there's the QR code option (if offered), which I assume would mean that the Post Office or other drop-off point prints the label at no cost to myself, but there's still the issue of affixing the label (I stress about things like there not being sufficient space on the package for a label the size of which I don't know in advance).

 

Also, I still have nearly £200 worth of First Class & First Class Large stamps which I accrued when doing Royal Mail surveys for Kantar TNS (so I had to 'work' to get the stamps, they weren't just given to me for nothing). Ideally, I'd want to send items using RM24/48 Tracked, but I was planning to use the stamps up first (which I know cannot be used for tracked post). Mandated 'Simple' Delivery would mean that I couldn't use my stamps at all, leaving me with no choice but to either keep them in perpetuity (pointless) or to try to sell them at less than their current value, and run the risk of a bad 'un claiming that they were counterfeit. I know for a fact that mine aren't, as I've used some of them for previous eBay sales with no issue, but eBay would, of course, almost certainly side with the buyer.

 

My posting method is (was?) old-school, which I suppose is another way of saying 'unsophisticated': hand-write the buyer's address, work out the postage cost based on weight, dimensions and RM service (the service that I chose, and that the buyer accepted in making the purchase), apply my stamp(s) (either overpaying slightly, or making up the difference at the PO counter), get a certificate of posting, then leave the rest in the hands of fate. Obviously, for higher value items, I would use a tracked service, but still with RM or Parcel Force. As I said, unsophisticated, but it worked for me, and it worked for my buyers.

 

It looks like I can wave goodbye to all of that.

 

I wish I could step into a time machine and go back to what many refer to as the golden days of eBay (due to severe procrastination, I only started selling a few years ago - but even then it was simpler). I can only echo the view held by many, many others, that eBay have increasingly taken control of the selling process to the point where it feels more like we are working for eBay, rather than with eBay.

 

Too many changes in quick succession, no consultation with experienced sellers and/or sellers with good ideas, inadequate testing of new/modified features before roll-out, too many bugs & glitches (which rarely get resolved, at least within an acceptable time frame), poor communication, (largely) abysmal customer service, a system that is more and more biased in the buyer's favour, an evident over-reliance on AI, and the cherry on top being a truly horrendous corporate arrogance that makes it very clear that eBay has little, if any, regard for sellers despite the fact that the platform literally could not exist without them.

 

It's quite clear, both from eBay's own actions and from Value Added Resource's revealing analysis of the CEO's speech to investors, that eBay is jeopardising the long-term viability and success of the platform by chasing short term gains. VAR also stated that eBay will have crunched the numbers and decided that introducing these changes is the way to go, but eBay executives are not eBay sellers (I think that's a fair assumption), and thus have little to no understanding of how sellers feel about the changes, or how sellers are affected by them.

 

It would be nice to think that eBay staff closely monitor this forum (not just to remove outrageously disgusting language like the word 'p.l.e.b.' (I'm being sarcastic!) or user IDs etc.) and report buyer/seller sentiment up the chain of command, but, again, it's reasonable to assume that this doesn't happen - another case of corporate arrogance/contempt/indifference. If it did happen, and the powers that be were genuinely interested in 'the word on the ground' - even for entirely self-serving purposes - then many of these changes would never have gone beyond the focus group meetings, or, at least, would have been swiftly reversed after seeing the level of discontent, resistance and animosity they had caused.

 

The figures may stack up, the plans may look great on paper, and the investors and shareholders may be satisfied (for now), but I think that eBay are making a critical error with their high-handed attitude and their failure to listen to, or care about, our voices, and this hubris may well lead to its eventual downfall. When long-established sellers (including one on this thread who has been here for 25 years) are throwing in the towel as a direct result of, and response to, these changes, it's hard to avoid the notion that eBay is in serious decline.

 

It's bizarre, and rather sad, to see eBay's descent from being a trailblazing innovator to a kind of mongrel copycat site, trying to adopt practices from other marketplace sites in an attempt to stay relevant, instead of leveraging, and capitalising on, its own market domnance, utilising its own vast resources - and the resource it has in users willing to freely offer their time, ideas and suggestions - to become truly exemplary.

 

I could say more, but I've said more than enough.

 

As it stands, that's my personal view of eBay in 2025. For the moment, I'm staying, but only on the sidelines while I see how all this pans out.

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Some posters have referred to receiving an email about the buyer fee. Can I just ask, was this an email sent to your personal email account, a message in your eBay account, or what?

 

I feel like I've been cut out of the loop, having received neither.

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Mine came through ebay messages.

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"feels more like we are working for eBay, rather than with eBay"

 

Always thought eBay like semi franchise model with fee pricing (of turnover) being similar, TV adverts then eBay branded packaging, with the new controls coming it's as close as it can get to a franchise model without officially being called a franchise.

Those stamps you have just hold onto them, they likely to appreciate more than eBay shares.

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@irt303 wrote:

Some posters have referred to receiving an email about the buyer fee. Can I just ask, was this an email sent to your personal email account, a message in your eBay account, or what?

 

I feel like I've been cut out of the loop, having received neither.


I received it  both as an email and as a message in my ebay account.  The full details are here (see the FAQs at the bottom of the article in particular):

 

https://pages.ebay.co.uk/buyerprotection/?mkevt=1&mkpid=2&emsid=e99011.m2.l1&mkcid=8&bu=43153737291&...

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I agree, trying to appeal to some kind of sense of morality or ethics on the part of a corporate entity like eBay is utterly futile (if charmingly naive and idealistic).

 

What I find absolutely infuriating is that eBay should be listening to us on purely selfish grounds; success for sellers means success for the platform. If we thrive, the platform thrives. eBay is seriously overlooking the symbiotic nature of its relationship with sellers. Without sellers, there would be no buyers, and hence, no eBay. It doesn't get more basic than that.

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Mail came in eBay messages, a copy also goes to email as per my settings. Your preference settings may not be set to receive bumph !

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