Not giving eBay my passport or driving licence

[kiic_47]

Having sold with positive feedback for over a year ebay have now held the £49 in my account until I send them photo I.D which I have refused to do as they already have my National Insurance number and bank details but requesting my passport is I believe a step too far to sell some second hand stuff especially as EBay have had data breaches in the past… After over 90 minutes on chat I have been told my only option is to give eBay my £49 (basically they will clear out my balance and keep it) and then once my balance is zero I can close my account as I have said I will not forward to them photo I.D… I’ve agreed for them to take my £49 as long as it goes to charity which they have said it will do - can anyone confirm my money will go to charity or are eBay likely to keep it? Luckily for me it’s only £49 but giving them my money was my only option to close my account as I had no idea that eBay would suddenly insist on storing my photo I.D (had they asked for this on the day of opening my sellers account I would not have joined here but they clearly wait until you have money in your balance before they ask which then puts you into the impossible position of having to send them more and more details until your funds can be released to you) - I have decided to forfeit my money and not be bullied into giving them more of my details and was told by the chat agent that the money would go to some eBay charity and not into eBay’s bank account - Has anyone else been put into this situation and if so has anyone else been told their money will go to charity if they forfeit it? If it was significantly more money then I’d have to rethink my principals on this but for £49 I’d rather sell the few items I sell on Vinted or Facebook Marketplace than have to deal with a company who demand things like passports so you can sell a few items. It just seems a bit over the top to demand photo I.D for what is basically a internet selling and buying site that has my details already… So getting back to my question, now I have told eBay to take my money and reduce my balance to zero so I can close this account what is the likelihood my £49 will go to charity like I was told?

[4_bathrooms]

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@dancing.petal wrote:

😄🤣😂hahaha really you don't understand anything about the legal fiction. Highly suggest people understand that taking a box is not a blue wet ink signature and is not a contract.

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Did you miss the Electronic Communications Act 2000? Section 7 makes an electronic signature - which includes ticking an "I accept" box - every bit as contractually binding as a wet signature.

There are many things that you have wrong in your initial post. For a start a freedom of information request can only be made to a public body. eBay UK is a private limited company; not a publicly owned/traded company like a plc. I could carry on picking that post apart but I think it should be fairly obvious to everyone by now that you have no idea what you're talking about when it comes to the law. 

[*vyolla*]

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@dancing.petal wrote:

Let's be absolutely clear here. Ticking a box on an online digitalised platform is not a signature.

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It so is.

Your digital agreement is no different to ticking the box in front of a solicitor and getting them to witness it.

I don't know where you're getting all this from, but it's not correct.

[*vyolla*]

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@dancing.petal wrote:

😄 🤣 😂 hahaha really you don't understand anything about the legal fiction.

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There used to be a poster here called Marjory who put together the best page covering the various stages of denial.

Does anyone remember that on Q&A?

The last stage was when the poster came back with 'hahaha'.

I'm going to try and find it.

[*vyolla*]

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@dancing.petal wrote:

Let's be absolutely clear here. Ticking a box on an online digitalised platform is not a signature.

There is no signature. Your signature is very powerful, watch the nature of the cage documentary on YouTube to understand what I'm explaining here.

Any serious legal document requires a blue wet ink signature. This cannot be compared to ticking a box and it's no proof of a signature. People are using the wrong terminology as ticking a box is not a signature. Anybody could take a box it's not unique to the individual who's account has been created. Taking a box also does not mean the person who created that account actually ticked the box either as it's not a unique identifying signature and anyone could have ticked it. Whether that's likely is another thing. The fact remains taking a box on a form is not a signature.

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I bought a house and some land via digital signature. 😀

I know you're going to find that hard to believe, so I'll post some info from the HM land registry site.

Digital signatures are more secure because there is a process preceding them that positively identifies the signatory and the resultant document is encrypted so that it cannot be altered. This balances the fact that a witness is no longer required.

Digital signatures in land transactions have been legally enabled since the Land Registration Act 2002.

[thepillenwerfer]

Here you go:—

The Definitive Guide to

Spotting An Albatross Poster on Q&A

The Albatross is a very common bird and quite easy to spot. His main habitat is generally the keyword spammed or shilled auction amongst other places, but he does occasionally migrate to the Ebay Question & Answer Board to ask the odd question.

Here is the definitive guide to spotting him.

1. Opening Post Quite often he will give himself away in his opening post. It will be a ranting affair commonly relating to feedback or (in his opinion) an idiot buyer/seller. Though it should be noted that the lesser spotted Albatross will sometimes manage to control himself and blend in with other posters for several posts before he becomes distinguishable from the crowd.
2. The Zero Feedback Rant is generally one of the first indicators. One of his main habits is to want only answers that agree with his viewpoint. When amazed that other posters may not agree, he will make sarcastic posts about "zero" or "low" feedback posters stating that his feedback is far superior to theirs and clearly they know nothing, compared to his superior knowledge of Ebay and the fact that he is a power seller. Of course when it sinks in that the zeros are posting ids he will them rant about posters having something to hide, generally along the lines of calling them cowardy custards. 
3. The Dogged Approach Phase The Albatross's view point is generally so entrenched that no contrary posts will be entertained. The thought process and rationality becomes rambling. The Albatross will fully believe in his right to shill bid/berate his trading partner going to extraordinary lengths and one brain cell though processes to reiterate constantly his point of view.
4. Insult Stage 1 This stage occurs when the Albatross realises he is on a loser. Other posters become 'saddos', 'idiots','fools' 'insert your own expletive'.
5. Insult Stage 2 By this stage the Albatross is studiously ignoring all rational and challenging questions. Feeling morally superior he decides that all the posters are people with no lives, who clearly do not have full time jobs and spend their time collecting state benefits at his the tax payer's expense. (Even though it is highly unlikely that the Albatross is declaring his Ebay income to the Inland Revenue). He also forgets the fact that it is he, who has come to seek advice from the posting degenerates in the first place.
6. The Wenterer Albatross Stage By this point said albatross will be enraged. He will state with confidence that he has had a university education and 'wentered' to Oxford or Cambridge. (No average university for him, he may even claim to have attended Harvard despite this being in the USA) He is clearly intellectually superior to those who are answering him and has usually graduated with a law degree. Of course he will also try to prove his wide range of education by misquoting snippets of Latin he has found on adulterated web sites and swearing (rather cleverly he thinks) in French adding verbs in the wrong places.
7. The Professional Albatross Stage Encouraged by his own bravado of ad libbing a higher education than those posting he know declares himself to be a Policeman/Solicitor/Barrister/Government Official/MI5 Spy. He of course knows where all of the other posters live and then threatens to pay them a visit or report them to the police for harassment.
8. The Libelled Albatross Stage When his employment claims are met with derision the Albatross will issue dire threats of suing posters for perceived libelous comments. The albatross will make much noise about his legal team (the family goldfish) pursuing said posters to the boundaries of hell and back
9. The Sales Team Albatross Some albatrosses have very successful sales teams (the family cat) who of course are so successful that the albatross can sit back and rake in the money and of course his 'How to Make £200 a Day on Ebay' is very successful. It has made him his first million which is why he's on the board bleating about negative feedback or a lost parcel worth £2.00
10. The Split Personality Albatross Stage Out of nowhere will arrive another poster who miraculously supports the Albatross. It may be a bright shiny new id or one that miraculously happened to win one of the Albatross's auctions 3 years previously and who happened to wander onto the Q&A board and onto Albatross's thread right at that moment!
11. The Confused Albatross Stage By this stage albatross is sweating profusely and purple with rage. He forgets which id he is posting on to support his other id (sometimes there are more than 2 id's in use at one time) He then posts with the wrong id much to the hilarity of those around him. He will of course continue to deny that is indeed him.
12. The Personal Contact Stage Filled with rage and frustration, the cornered Albatross may resort to emailing posters off the board. Being a bit on the slow side (after all Albatrosses are birds and therefore have a brain the size of a bird) the albatross fails to withhold his email address thereby opening the door for the emailed recipient to find all there is to know about him.
13. The Paranoid Albatross Stage Feeling very hot under the collar, our albatross now feels there is a conspiracy against him. The posters on the board are clearly in the pockets of Ebay, or Ebay staff masquerading as Q&A posters. Unmasked on his second posting id he then starts to accuse the other posters of having multiple ids just to taunt him and back up their arguments. As a personal friend of Pierre and with his high connections on Ebay he vows to get all the posters sacked.
14. The Shouting Albatross Stage Oh dear! High blood pressure and an increased pulse rate sees the albatross discovering relief from stress via his caps lock key. EACH FURTHER POST IS TYPED IN CAPITALS AND USUALLY ENDS IN HA HA HA HA HA HA
15. Prima Donna Albatross Stage By now the albatross wishes that he could go quietly back to his own habitat. He announces that the other posters are beneath his contempt. He has more important things to do in keeping his empire running as opposed to talking to chat board saddos. He declares he will not be back, flounces out, slams the door in an exit worthy of Miss Piggy. He can't resist that peek though to see how the thread is going. He must also have the last word so he will appear with more insults and HA HA HA's within 5 minutes of leaving.
16. The Return Stage Less than 24 hours later, after the thread has dropped from the front page, albatross will be back. he will have a nice shiny new id with which he will use to make barbed and sulky comments to the other posters. He can always be identified by his grammar spelling and syntax, along with that HA HA HA.

[dancing.petal]

You're reply doesn't even make any sense or have any factual substance to it, and is it is just a sad attempt to discredit the facts that I shared on my comments (which anyone can learn about for themselves that's interested).

For starters it's much better to be a litigant in person, than to rely on any lawyer that been indoctrinated into the legal fiction and signed up to the bar with loyalty to the bar and has been brainwashed and conditioned in their education. The proof is in the pudding and it's about winning your case not having a law degree. Sounds

It's not about watching YouTube lawyers, it's about having a foundational understanding and the Intelligence to understand what lawful vs legal is and the unlawful legal system that has been stitching up Society for too long and is currently being exposed. You can attempt to diminish

[moonlight-rhapsody]

I saw a Youtube clip that said watching Youtube clips can addle your brain and make you spout nonsense 🤣

[ett1954]

I guess from this response, which borders on that of a conspiracy theorist, that you didn’t follow up on the information provided by the last few responders to your post and check out the links provided, or google the subject matter suggested, particularly that required by the ‘know your customer’ requirements of bodies handling and processing financial transactions to which the original poster’s contribution concerned.

You will shortly, if you have not already been requested to do so, be required to provide eBay with your National Insurance Number. To save you the time of coming on the boards demanding that this is also illegal for eBay to ask for it, here is the link from a government website which explains what digital platforms have to report to HMRC and authorises them to request it.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/reporting-rules-for-digital-platforms  

if you prefer to live in ignorance and rely on the You Tube ‘experts’ then that is your choice.  Good luck, good night and God bless.

[superchallenge]

This post is absolutely glorious.