NO LONGER SELLING DUE TO SIMPLE DELIVERY

[rugbyguy1960]

AS OF 15TH APRIL MY DAYS AS A PRIVATE EBAY SELLER WILL STOP AFTER 19 YEARS.

I AM FED UP OF THE GREED OF EBAY AND I HOPE OTHER EBAY SELLERS DECIDE TO NO LONGER LET THE EBAY CONTROL FREAKS HAVE THIS MUCH CONTROL OVER PRIVATE SELLERS.

[rugbyguy1960]

I've had exactly the same message today regarding a purchase I made here that's being delivered by amazon logistics.

Things like this are another reason why I'm not selling here at present.

I wouldn't want to put potential buyers through that.

There's just to many issues for me to even consider listing items for sale at present.

[theelench]

"But surely individuals should be taking responsibility for their own actions - or is this just a reflection of how low some people will stoop nowadays."

Although some people can be genuinely confused about whether or not they should register as a business, IMO for the majority it is a reflection of how low they will stoop nowadays.  IMO most of those buying to sell on a private account, especially those with large numbers of listings over long periods of time are fully aware of what they are doing, that it's wrong and gives them an unfair advantage.  That is their whole reason for doing it.  IMO ebay's relationship with business sellers, the latitude and anonymity it gives them and the laxity with which it enforces competition regs. and it's own rules needs investigating.

But as the OP of the thread has (again) asked for posters to stay on topic I think that needs to be discussed on another thread.

I thank you for pointing out my error in saying that the BPF is added at checkout.  Something I have mis-understood since it started.  As you correctly say only the breakdown is shown at checkout, the total price remains the same.

I apologise if this has been mis-leading, it was not my intention and only due to my mis-understanding of  earlier posts on the subject.

[the_book_seekers]

I saw the thread had been locked and am surprised the decision has been reversed. Doesn't normally happen.

[rugbyguy1960]

I have been told it very rarely happens but as long as posts are kept as close to the thread topic as possible then it shouldn't get derailed again.

Any off topic posts need to have a thread created or be taken elswhere.

[gmij1961]

I am glad this thread has been properly restored 

On the specific subject of SD and its flaws  , the announcement about changes to charges for buyers who purchase from sellers who only specify Royal Mail  is something that deserves full exposure and understanding.   I only saw this as an Ebay announcement , there was no email communication so this will without doubt cause more confusion. consternation and complication 🙂

https://community.ebay.co.uk/t5/Announcements/Simple-Delivery-pricing-changes-from-1-September/ba-p/...

What this means that if sellers don't select both Evri and RM as couriers then their buyers will have to pay an inflated premium for RM only postage . Whilst if may be fair, decent and honest  that Ebay offer a discount  below  standard  rate to sellers that offer both couriers to makes their prospective buyers pay a hefty postage surcharge above the  standard rate  and therefore prejudice the chance of sale is very much the opposite .  Its absolutely ridiculous 

As Ebay only offer collection on RM then it also prejudices those who rely on a reliable collection service , such as the disabled and has other legal implications

For those who really dislike SD this is opportunity to make some noise as it very difficult to see how Ebay's biased pricing is an shape or form complaint with fair trading laws .  For Ebay to be above board then the price for any postage should be consistent across the board and it is clearly not !

I have already raised a complaint with CMA on this specific , I have also contacted RM CEO as this will have a serious impact on business that they gain from Ebay via SD 

Unlike previous complaints that have been made to CMA this has perhaps far more traction as it simply so bad . 

I really can't believe that Ebay think such price manipulation is ok any any shape or form . To me it just sums up the absolute cynicism of Simple Delivery  and why threads like this will not go away 

[rugbyguy1960]

That is such a good useful post.

I have not given up totally on the idea of selling here again when it is viable for me.

Because of personal reasons RM is and always will be my choice of courier to use when posting items.

The idea of either a potential buyer or me having to pay a excessive postage charge because of SD is fundamentally wrong at all levels, and is yet another reason why I won't list anything for the foreseeable future.

I'm in no hurry to sell from my collection and as things are here at present it will be a long time before I list anything.

[suelel1968]

"As Ebay only offer collection on RM then it also prejudices those who rely on a reliable collection service , such as the disabled ......."

Hi, @gmij1961 I had raised exactly this with the Ebay CEO's office, before the prices went up. I know how many people roll their eyes and say how it doesn't get to him and it won't do any good, but I have had two replies from the CEO's Exec team which were not just platitudes or standard responses. Letting it go and doing nothing will definitely not get the desired outcome for private sellers of making SD optional. 

No negative responses necessary!

Good on Rugby Guy @rugbyguy1960 for getting the thread reinstated. 

[gmij1961]

There was a post yesterday from jonatjonatjonat yesterday that had a link to a someone who thought the Ebay may be in breach of consumer "rules"   . This post no longer seems to be there  but it contained some  useful interesting  info  etc . I was about to reply to this when the thread got locked out .

I think the price difference Ebay are quoting buyer for what are the same service highlights a serious  issue with SD  which goes beyond unhappy customers . While the priced can be discounted under certain conditions it should not be inflated to the advantage of another party and its very difficult to understand this is not what Ebay are doing in practice . 

It can hardly be called simple delivery  when Ebay can dictate a different postage rate to the buyer for the same delivery service.

 I am not selling so in some ways does not make much difference to me , but as a potential buyer it is something I will be very wary of, because not only i will be paying dubious BPF , I may also being ripped off on postage costs  as result of Ebay  courier policy . 

[rugbyguy1960]

Thank you @suelel1968 

I just truly believe a discussion thread like this that has proved to be useful for a lot of private sellers should be allowed to run while there are so many issues for private sellers that have not been resolved.

If anything more issues are being caused. I still remain hopeful that at some stage this platform will go back to being more user friendly.

[moonlight-rhapsody]

https://community.ebay.co.uk/t5/Announcements/Simple-Delivery-pricing-changes-from-1-September/ba-p/...

 

I wonder how long ebay will wait before it decides that the time is ripe for the next money-grab.  Perhaps it depends on how successfully it gets away with this one.

[rugbyguy1960]

I remember that post.

It was good information and I think that post or original thread is still on the forums somewhere.

It was interesting for private sellers especially with all the issues at present.

[gmij1961]

I do think Ebay may exposed a fundamental issue here that won't be that easy to bluff their way out off  🙂 

Like many I have had my doubts  about Ebay SD postage  pricing for a while but that announcement is pretty clear to what they are actually doing with SD . 

[gmij1961]

To be honest , I think Ebay have made a monumental of error judgement by making such announcement as to most fair minded reasonable people it suggests Ebay are manipulating prices to the disadvantage of their customers and probably one of their key partners  ( RM).   

There really is no justification for such a price increase but it would interesting and perhaps entertaining to here Ebays explanation ( excuse)  🙂 

[rugbyguy1960]

There is no way those price increases can be justified for private sellers who only want to use RM.

These new rates are genuinely going to affect sales and purchases between private sellers and buyers.

Yet again there is nothing that will benefit private sellers. Things like this just make the idea of selling here again a million miles away.

[punzel9072]

Re the price increases, it is also questionable why there should be a difference in price for items below and above £100. In my experience, the Royal Mail postage rate is determined by the size and weight of the item, not by the value, and in any case the compensation level that Royal Mail offer on Tracked 24/48 is up to £150. So only if the value exceeds £150 should there be a rate change, which should then be for Special Delivery.

[oktv_0]

The option to choose Custom postage instead of Simple Delivery seems to have returned for my listings.

[oktv_0]

Seems to be just for items £20 or under with a Large letter package size.

[kath3735_wxmjn]

SD was actually introduced on a voluntary basis last year and they had plenty of time to sort things out, not just since April!

[kath3735_wxmjn]

I actually do not think it is 'fair, decent and honest' of e bay to offer any different rates in regard to whether you use RM, EVRI or both!   I think it is absolutely 'unfair, indecent and completely dishonest' to do so.  They are already restricting your choice as a buyer and seller and then have the gall to charge you extra in regard to it.  If i had not already left due to SD then i would definitely have done so because of this.

[rugbyguy1960]

It really is mind blowing that after so long something that could have worked for a lot more people has become a mess because it has been so poorly thought out and implemented so badly.

SD just does not work for me in it's present form.

I use RM doorstep collection and i find their price very reasonable.

I will not pay the ridiculous inflated price just because I will and always have used RM. Evri is just not a option for me at all and never will be.