NO LONGER SELLING DUE TO SIMPLE DELIVERY

[rugbyguy1960]

AS OF 15TH APRIL MY DAYS AS A PRIVATE EBAY SELLER WILL STOP AFTER 19 YEARS.

I AM FED UP OF THE GREED OF EBAY AND I HOPE OTHER EBAY SELLERS DECIDE TO NO LONGER LET THE EBAY CONTROL FREAKS HAVE THIS MUCH CONTROL OVER PRIVATE SELLERS.

[spartansteel]

Once again that is you speaking for you. Not all private sellers are just selling second hand goods and I don't see any legislation where it states that private sellers have to either! And where is "real private sellers" coming from! So I'm not a real private seller if I don't sell second hand goods no? Thats complete nonsense! If you're not interested in profit then good for you but some people are to be honest including myself. You have your opinion which your entitled to and I have mine, and may I remind you that you do not speak on behalf of the masses. 

I am a private seller not a business and am not interested in 'profit', after all how do you make a profit on second hand goods (unless it is a collectable).

Answered your own question really with that one didn't you, and collectables is what I sell so I am looking for profit. Also if you believe that nobody has ever turned a profit on second hand items then I don't know what to say really! If you look at my earlier post I stated that I feel there should be a happy medium when it comes to fees and I feel the selling fees were getting ridiculous! That is why ebay changed it in the first place as sellers were getting to the point they couldn't afford to sell anymore (why we are where we are now). 

I didn't come to debate with some random person in regards to fees! I was expressing my dissatisfaction in regards to "simple delivery" which I have done but I guess some people are just looking to dive head first into confrontation on these platforms. Go cry to ebay about your concerns about fees if you want them reinstating as I'm not the person for that, I don't want exorbitant fees to be honest (my opinion) and I also don't want ridiculous "simple delivery" as either would cause me to go elsewhere! Removal of fees were met with great approval so I feel you're in the minority on that (who doesn't like more money in their bank).

If you're personally not interested in profit there are many different avenues for you (charity, flea markets, carboots etc) where you can flog plenty of second hand goods for next to nothing! Leave ebay for the "fake private sellers" looking to make a little extra on the side! 

I'm out!

[spartansteel]

I didn't think the FVF was expensive.

Once again your opinion but for some context my last item which was subjected to fees was sold for £44.99 and my total fees equalled £6.25 plus postage of £3.45, that is nearly a loss of £10! I'm sorry but that in my opinion is to much and is going to add up to some amount depending on quantity of sales! BPF is nowhere near as much! If FVF was less and somewhere near what BPF is then it would be more tolerable and the cost could be factored in and maybe split down the middle between buyer & seller but as it stood it was getting ridiculous and they were always finding ways to add more fees! 

[gjalp]

I started out selling second hand items (stuff the kids had outgrown and I wanted cash to buy next size up/new toys/new shoes). Then I started looking round the house for clutter I could get rid of. I sold my compact collection, my costume jewellery collection, parts of my stamp collection and yes I made unintentional profit on some items. But that wasn’t trading. My trading began when I realised that stamp selling could be profitable so I started to buy to sell (and registered as self employed) and I also sold my surplus beads from my hobby as it was cheaper to buy in bulk with what I took for myself not included in expenses. 

Im still selling my clutter but on a private ID coz its mine. Some of that clutter also happens to be new. Clothes I bought and then later never wore (some places don’t take returns of sale items), unwanted gifts (perfume, toiletry sets etc), things Id bought in a sale with the intention of gifting them and then the recipient then passing away (Im always looking for future birthday/Christmas gifts), things Ive inherited that are new and boxed. That said, I never really view monies from these sales as profit, just cashing in my ‘junk’ but I do want to get as much money as I can for them. The same can be said for any of my collectables, of which I have a lot, stamps (not the ones I bought to sell in a business sense, my personal collections include world stamps), pens, glass, watches, clocks, gemstones, purses etc. Private sellers can and do sell both new and old items. Im not so keen on the BPF as many items I set off at 99p and that has shoved those items out and Im particular about how I mail out my collectables so I dislike Simple Delivery plus I charged a little extra for packing materials which I can’t do with SD unless I add it to the item price and then the buyer gets charged a fee on top of that which is unfair.

[gmij1961]

Up until  when Ebay announced free to sell , the majority of my stuff was sold on on a 2 week cycle when Ebay gave me an 80% discount on FVF .  How Ebay worked out the discount  was down to their own calculation as a  neighbour only got 70% !

In reality the fees were pretty minimal and when " Free to Sell" was announced I exploited it .  For my last 6 months I paid Ebay 13p in fees compare to £250  for the previous 6 months . So there always going to be a catch  !   and that was SD , BPF and delayed payment.  All of these are seen as Ebay as long term revenue streams providing they still have enough sellers !

I stopped selling prior to BPF for other reasons , but if you in terms of Auction listing  BPF is a massive deterrent to attract bidders and on traditional 99P auction start it creates a 75% markup and in reality unless the final listing price is above £20 the BPF represents  a 10% charge on the final price and as a buyer the final price is a governing factor . So in terms of auctions BPF not only deters bidders it actually a a higher charge for a lot of lower value items 

BPF has a lesser effect on  Buy it now listing as it represents a smaller variant and BIN listing are still more likely to sell 

While I tend to agree with some of your comments as to  profit motive of a lot of  private sellers on Ebay when it comes to selling New goods there is legislation in place in terms of VAT and given the recent HMRC requirements for seller data . I would  not be surprised if that is area that gets a closer look once the HMRC get a grip on all the data .

[mostly.militaria.sport]

I've been a militaria collector for 45 years now and, as collectors do, my themes have changed over time.  In the past, I've sold unwanted items for £450+ and would always use RM Special Delivery, ensuring the item was fully insured.

Now, as part of the Simple Delivery (SD) process, this p&p option has been removed and ebay are stating the following:

Stay fully protected

Get automatic tracking and full protection from eBay if your item is lost or damaged in transit.

So my question is this, since the inception of SD, has anyone sold an item that was either lost or damaged in transit and, if so, what happened, did you receive a full refund?

Thanks in advance.

[papso22]

There are threads where the seller got the advertised seller protection under Special Delivery, ebay refunded the buyer, and the seller got the sale proceeds.

In other words, it worked as advertised. 

[sunflowers4me59]

Have a read of this thread:- "simple delivery failed- a test case"! 

[lucy_farmer]

'Stay fully protected

Get automatic tracking and full protection from eBay if your item is lost or damaged in transit.'

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Nobody is really sure yet when it comes to things on the 'excluded from compensation' lists (which are on the Evri site and the R.M. site).

For stuff *not* on those lists, yes, it appears to work 👍 

As far as 'excluded' stuff goes : there have been two contradictory statements from kat@ebay . First statement was  no, things *aren't* covered. Second statement was yes, things *are* covered.

The terms and conditions though, still tell sellers to read and understand the exclusion lists from Evri and R.M when it come to things that will be covered under Simple Del.... so I'm still none the wiser🤔

So if you're selling expensive stuff, read the lists, and if what you're selling *isn't* there, I'd say it's probably going to be OK . 

For *loss* in the post it should be fairly straightforwardly ebay's responsibility.

For *damage* in the post, I'm feeling a little more conflicted. After all  the seller is the only party with any responsibility for the packaging , so will ebay get picky about that? and who gets to check the packakging anyway...?

[3942rick2005]

Ebay does not offer Special Delivery under Simple Delivery. This was the point of mostly.militaria.sport's post.

[lucy_farmer]

'Ebay does not offer Special Delivery under Simple Delivery.'

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Yeah.... I think that was just a 'slip of the pen' there from papso!

(I have to keep stopping myself getting Simple Del and Special Del mixed up as well🙄)

[3942rick2005]

try this:  https://community.ebay.co.uk/t5/Seller-Central/how-do-you-list-anything-bigger-than-61cm/td-p/788244...

[johnwash1]

@spartansteel 

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@spartansteel wrote:

I didn't think the FVF was expensive.

Once again your opinion but for some context my last item which was subjected to fees was sold for £44.99 and my total fees equalled £6.25 plus postage of £3.45, that is nearly a loss of £10! I'm sorry but that in my opinion is to much and is going to add up to some amount depending on quantity of sales! BPF is nowhere near as much! If FVF was less and somewhere near what BPF is then it would be more tolerable and the cost could be factored in and maybe split down the middle between buyer & seller but as it stood it was getting ridiculous and they were always finding ways to add more fees! 

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Moan about the £6.25 if you like (though perhaps you could have waited for a -70/80% FVF weekend if that hurt too much), but to complain about the cost of postage is utterly ridiculous.  If you didn't like paying for postage then you should have offered your items for local collection only!

[spartansteel]

Another ebay "police officer" getting triggered over a difference of opinion!

[j.p.greenwood]

You might want to read this and form your own opinion.....

https://community.ebay.co.uk/t5/Seller-Central/Where-you-REALLY-stand-on-shipping-using-Simple-Deliv...

[*devils.advocate*]

If posting an item, there is a cost.

If fees apply, there is a cost.

Surely a seller will include both of these costs, in addition to the monies the seller wants at the end of the transaction, in the end price (variable fees for auctions, of course)?

Both postage and (eBay) fees will be paid by the buyer.

If the seller wishes to pay part of these costs, that’s a conscious decision by the seller.

A private seller is merely a conduit between eBay (cost of fees) and carrier (cost of postage).

It's up to the seller to decide what monies they want (cash in hand) at the end of it all.

[kath3735_wxmjn]

Is your rant over?   Sorry but you did bring up sellers fees (post 7254).    You also said in one of your posts  'but i'm sure the majority..'.  I never even mentioned in my post that i was speaking for the 'masses', that would be you in your surety of what the majority want. 

I am not going to go into the definition of what the difference is between a business and a private seller, that has been covered ad nauseum on here.    What i will say though is that in my view 'a real private seller' is someone who is not selling to make a profit but is trying to dispose of items they no longer need and in the main that is second hand items.

The reason i differentiated about collectables is because by the nature of them being collectable they often increase in value, most second hand items do not.

[spartansteel]

Not even reading that! Yawn!

[punzel9072]

The reason I differentiated about collectables is because by the nature of them being collectable they often increase in value, most second hand items do not.

Absolutely right! 🙂

[heglo_59]

Ok, full confession, I haven't read the last 2000 comments to catch up from when I last looked at this thread, so, as nothing recent looks helpful - just wondered if someone could tell me if this ere Simple Delivery is actually happening?? Any dates or updates on it please? Much obliged x

[zed1015]

Yes ! It's here .

It's been rolling out slowly for quite a while and it seems most if not all sellers that haven't dumped Ebay are on it now..