NO LONGER SELLING DUE TO SIMPLE DELIVERY

[rugbyguy1960]

AS OF 15TH APRIL MY DAYS AS A PRIVATE EBAY SELLER WILL STOP AFTER 19 YEARS.

I AM FED UP OF THE GREED OF EBAY AND I HOPE OTHER EBAY SELLERS DECIDE TO NO LONGER LET THE EBAY CONTROL FREAKS HAVE THIS MUCH CONTROL OVER PRIVATE SELLERS.

[johnwash1]

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@punzel9072 wrote:

I think one reason many have not reduced their prices to reflect their move to "Free" to Sell" is because they don't know how.  Somewhere I relate my last attempt at selling here and I couldn't work out what price I needed to charge that would get me £750 if I took off the BPF and couldn't find any of the helpful 'cheat-sheets' others had added to threads.

The workaround that I have found, when creating a listing, is to enter an approximate selling price, then click into another box, then above the selling price box it states what the buyers will pay extra. You can then keep revising the selling price, and clocking out, until you get the balance that you're looking for.

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I really am puzzled.  If you don't know that the BPF is 4% + 75p, then fair enough, though I believe it's been mentioned often.  If you do know, then the total price T for the buyer is

Y * 1.04 + 0.75

where Y is your price.

So take the 0.75 across the other side:

T - 0.75 = Y * 1.04

and take the 1.04 across the other side, division this time, because of the multiply sign:

Y = (T - 0.75) / 1.04

So a calculator, or a spreadsheet, and there you are.

Yes, it's a faff, it shouldn't be necessary, and ebay have let us down (wow, surprise).  But why is this difficult for people?  I'm not being sarcastic, I really am curious to know.

[akemp1]

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@johnwash1 wrote:

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But why is this difficult for people?  I'm not being sarcastic, I really am curious to know.

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I suspect most sellers just price it on what they think it's worth based on historic sold prices, what it cost them, how much it is currently selling for, etc without breaking out the calculator or making a rough guess to determine how much less it is worth because of the buyer fees. The result is most listings end up too expensive.

[greycat777]

I'm not selling on Ebay anymore simply because of their new postage options. I am now unable to get to a Post Office and they do not have an option of parcels being collected with a prepaid label supplied by Royal mail. I have been selling on Ebay for over 21yrs. Why they are constantly changing things I do not know.

[theelench]

They certainly Won't be getting my £750 lamp !!

[ell567]

Yes, the BPF is obviously bad PR and seems to have no point other than pretending it's free to sell. EBay is effectively saying 'sellers, just add our fee on to the price you were thinking of, charge that instead, and, ta-da, you are no longer paying the fee'.
I can't believe I'm having to say this, but a lot of posters here seem to need it said. The buyer pays whatever the full price is and eBay takes a chunk of it. It makes no difference whether eBay pretends to give that chunk to the seller before immediately taking it away again or not.
But, hey, if 'the buyer pays the fee' and the postage then 'it's free to sell' (so long as the buyer is willing to pay at least £3.45 more than eBay's idea of the seller's price, no matter how low). 'I'm not a lawyer', but the 'free to sell' campaign ought to be a breach of well-designed advertising regulations.

[sml192]

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@johnwash1 wrote:

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@punzel9072 wrote:

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I really am puzzled.  If you don't know that the BPF is 4% + 75p, then fair enough, though I believe it's been mentioned often.  If you do know, then the total price T for the buyer is

Y * 1.04 + 0.75

where Y is your price.

So take the 0.75 across the other side:

T - 0.75 = Y * 1.04

and take the 1.04 across the other side, division this time, because of the multiply sign:

Y = (T - 0.75) / 1.04

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Although eBay have advertised it as a flat fee of up to 75p they are actually currently charging 72p. 

It should also be noted that that equation won't always give a precise result due to the 2 lots of roundings being applied (once on the net amount and then again on the VAT element), so it will often be a penny or two out.  Plus it only applies for items up to £300 as items above that amount are charged differently. 

[theelench]

The difference is that it was invented by ordinary college kids who worked it out in their ordinary bedrooms looking out at other ordinary people in a real world street.

Now it's run by multi-millionaires on a basic of millions p.a, who flit from roof-top landing pad to private estates and haven't even seen an ordinary street, let alone met any ordinary people in years.

[sml192]

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@greycat777 wrote:
I'm not selling on Ebay anymore simply because of their new postage options. I am now unable to get to a Post Office and they do not have an option of parcels being collected with a prepaid label supplied by Royal mail. I have been selling on Ebay for over 21yrs. Why they are constantly changing things I do not know.

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Ebay are working on a printerless collection option with Royal Mail and some posters have recently reported that they are now seeing this option once their item has sold.   I don't think it is available for everyone yet though but hopefully shouldn't be too much longer.  Obviously, this is something that should have been sorted before any attempt to make Simple Delivery mandatory. 

[pinball-fantasies]

The left had does not know what the right hand is doing anymore at eBay

They have made 3 big changes this year the worse changes ever made

Hate to think how many sellers and buyers have left the platform but ebay cannot see this , they are so so deluded

If it was not for US private sellers Ebay would not have a business or platform they seem to forget that 

[punzel9072]

Yes, it's a faff, it shouldn't be necessary, and ebay have let us down (wow, surprise).  But why is this difficult for people?  I'm not being sarcastic, I really am curious to know

I and many others DO know the BPF is 4% + 75p, and the calculation isn't difficult, but my suggestion was even simpler by suggesting people enter the seller price, click out of the box, and above it appears the precise eBay buyer protection racket as it will be applied. No calculator required.

[honeymonster007]

Didn't realise it only applied for items up to £300, how does it work for items £300+?

Found this this little app useful after the app writer posted it on here a little while back

eBay Fee Calculator - UK Buyer Protection Fees

[carpediem_2017]

Also no longer selling due to simple delivery 

[ell567]

See the quoted equation and note in particular that 0.75/1.04 = 0.72 (approx.)

The fee is calculated from the 'fee-free' price not the 'final value', so is equivalent to approximately

3.85% + 72p FVF.

[theelench]

@moonlight-rhapsody  & @punzel9072 

Thanks to you both, but no thanks.

I'll put it on the other site I sell on, all I have to do over there is write £750 in the BIN box.  Job done.

Oh yes, I also get paid by PP there so no 14 or 28 day hold on my cash either.

[dudluk2015]

It's not the buyers protection fee that im bothered about , as just a cost to the buyer instead of me being charged after sale.

My issue is simple delivery. Many of my items are small & under £10, but eBay estimated them to be larger than a second class large letter size, making me post them through simple delivery, as larger and costing me more!!

[lucy_farmer]

'but the 'free to sell' campaign ought to be a breach of well-designed advertising regulations.'

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'Well designed advertising regulations'...... hmmmm.

The point of well designed advertising  is to get as close to a complete lie as you can get, without being sued 😂

Advertising regulations probably have one hand tied behind their back when it comes to getting 'lawyered up' against the really big boys....

[sml192]

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@honeymonster007 wrote:

Didn't realise it only applied for items up to £300, how does it work for items £300+?

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How is the fee calculated?

When purchasing from UK-based private sellers, the Buyer Protection fee is calculated as:

• A flat fee of up to £0.75 per item, and
• 4% of the item price up to £300, and
• 2% of any portion of the item price from £300 to £4,000

There is a cap on the total fee amount you'll ever pay. Any portion of the item price over £4,000 will not incur any additional fee. When purchasing multiple quantities within a listing, the flat fee up to £0.75 is only charged once.

[punzel9072]

Thanks to you both, but no thanks.

I'll put it on the other site I sell on, all I have to do over there is write £750 in the BIN box.  Job done.

I wasn't advocating using eBay, far from it, I now only use eBay for letter-sized items under 100g and under £10 that I can post with an 87p stamp, or for small parcels under 1kg where the SD Royal Mail price is actually cheaper (fractionally) than buying it direct from Royal Mail. I was replying to your comment where you said you "couldn't work out what price I needed to charge that would get me £750 if I took off the BPF and couldn't find any of the helpful 'cheat-sheets' others had added to threads". 

Like so many others, the very many other items that I used to sell on eBay are no longer listed anymore, and they are instead listed in a new "boot sale" section of my greater london bus map website. It's true that sales are slow, but not as slow as they were on eBay once they started to screw up the platform with SD!

[grapecr-30]

"They will find themselves just a distributor of cheap chinese made merchandise, which they already have a solid start on, instead of a marketplace for ordinary people to sell items they no longer want which ebay was created for"

Exactly..... I don't think I have ever bought anything new on eBay, and the same goes for most people I know, the unique thing about eBay was you could find out of print books or now deleted CDs, Records, DVDs ect ect....that is what people came here to find, you'd have a nostalgic moment and remember something from your past, and then put a search on eBay to find it, and in general,you could....I really think that was the heart of eBay, which sadly is being destroyed....

[sml192]

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@ell567 wrote:

See the quoted equation and note in particular that 0.75/1.04 = 0.72 (approx.)

The fee is calculated from the 'fee-free' price not the 'final value', so is equivalent to approximately

3.85% + 72p FVF.

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Yes, I am aware that 75p minus 4% = 72p but I think that is just a coincidence.

How have you arrived at the 3.85%?