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FOR SOME REASON BEST KNOWN TO THEMSELVES EBAY DO NOT ALLOW SELLERS TO LEAVE BUYERS NEGATIVE FEEDBACK YET BUYER CAN LEAVE FOR SELLER. I UNFORTUNATELY HAVE FROM TIME TO TIME HAD NON PAYERS AND OBVIOUSLY THEY DESERVE NEGATIVE FEEDBACK BUT CAN’T LEAVE UNLESS UNDER “POSITIVE “ HEADING WHICH IS SIMPLY MISLEADING. IF YOU SEE BUYER HAD 100% FEEDBACK YOU ARE VERY UNLIKELY TO READ THROUGH TO SEE IF ANY ARE NEGATIVE 🙈🙈🙈🙈 IF YOU REPORT NON PAYER TO EBAY THEY CAN SEE YOUR FEEDBACK IS 100% TRUTHFUL. THIS NEEDS TO CHANGE. DON’T FORGET NO SELLERS NO EBAY, YES OF COURSE THAT APPLIES TO BUYER. WE NEED TO BE WORKING ON LEVEL PLAYING FIELD

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Hi,

 

Thanks for your response. Yes I know you can't be a seller with private feedback.

Ebay don't show purchases alongside the feedback any more - only the seller it was left for.

 

I think trust is a 2 way thing and if you can't see how a buyer has behaved previously when they buy something expensive from you because they have hidden this, it makes me question what they are hiding.

Call me cynical but I've been in this game a long time and have been stung a few times so I will cancel sales if feedback is hidden or the buyer has left too many negs in a short space of time for other sellers.

The way I see it, I'll probably get a neg either way so I'd rather not lose the item and/or money too.

 

The reason I feel ebay is different to other platforms is the fact ebay basically take our business decisions out of our hands. 

If someone buys from Argos for example and say they claim it arrived used, they'd have to prove this to Argos by returning it and Argos would decide whether to refund.

When this happens on ebay, ebay automatically side with the buyer and the seller not only loses the money but often receives a neg too, which eventually impacts performance and fees.

Everyone I've received negs from either have hidden feedback or a history of claims.

 

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*devils.advocate*

"On the other side of the coin, if I (as a buyer) have say 500 buyer's feedback but then decide to start selling - isn't the feedback number shown to buyers deceiving - it doesn't prove anything about me as a seller?"

 

There is a feature to filter feedback as a "buyer" / "seller" / "left for others" you know! 😉

 

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@studiomaster_uk wrote:

*devils.advocate*

"On the other side of the coin, if I (as a buyer) have say 500 buyer's feedback but then decide to start selling - isn't the feedback number shown to buyers deceiving - it doesn't prove anything about me as a seller?"

 

There is a feature to filter feedback as a "buyer" / "seller" / "left for others" you know! 😉

 


And how many members know that?  Most will just look at the number in brackets by the user ID. 

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Wow! I never realised it was as much hassle as this to leave a timewaster negative feedback. I've been totally honest about a car I was selling and I was let down.  As in on winning the car he never replied to any messages and I never heard from him until I lost it in a message to him. Then suprise suprise, he resurfaced and didn't want it due to my reaction. Yeah right mate. I think he just got swept up in a bidding frenzy. I've sold many vehicles with no trouble till now. I'm absolutely fuming about it and eBay don't want to know. Unfortunately eBay there are many selling outlets besides you now. My car has now gone. I personally think if a purchase is over £1000.00 the buyer should hold responsibility for paying the £14.99 fee he's just cost me.

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Wow! I never realised it was as much hassle as this to leave a timewaster negative feedback.

 

It's not a hassle because you are not allowed to do it!

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It's totally ridiculous that bad feedback can't be left for the buyer and another way in which eBay always side with said buyer. It's not always as clear cut as reporting the buyer for non payment. In my latest case, the buyer paid on the dot, no complaints there. He did however ignore my 10 working day dispatch time, which is there for a reason, and precisely no working days after purchase tells me he needs it within 4 working days as he's moving to Wales, a story which later changed to he was 'going away' (more on this later). I do my best to oblige, but in an effort to expedite dispatch, I have to reuse some old packing materials, which did the job, but weren't the best. I payed extra for 24 hour delivery but then have an issue posting as the post office counter system at my local drop off was down, but tried twice that evening and again early morning with no luck. I eventually post successfully at 9:30 AM, this being a Thursday, the buyer needed (or demanded) it before Monday. The Friday delivery failed through no fault of my own and I'm greeted with a rude message from the buyer going full Tonto at me. I send him a link to rebook delivery and even offer to reimburse for Saturday delivery. In return I'm told I should be sorting this, it shouldn't be down to him, my customer service is rubbish I should be ringing the courier and demanding to know 'what they were going to do to rectify it'. It was just a failed delivery, if it was lost, of course I would ring, but the simple option was to book a Saturday delivery which I would pay for. I did try to point out that I couldn't sort it for him as I don't know when he'll be in, if he wants it left with a neighbour etc and would make myself liable if it went missing. After more rudeness he did so. Parcel arrives on Saturday containing said piece of electronic test equipment, I get a further rude message claiming the packing was filthy, it doesn't work and demanding it be collected on Monday for a full refund. No opportunity for me to offer any advice or assistance as to why it may not appear to be working. Note that he wanted it collected on the Monday, this is the same Monday on which he was either moving to Wales or going away and wouldn't have been around to receive the original delivery and the whole reason for the original urgency. I arrange and pay for collection as he was unwilling to lift a finger. Delivery of returned parcel failed the following day as I was out, so I have to make a 30 mile round trip to retrieve it from the depot. Didn't get the chance to check it until late the following day, by which time I'd received more rude/sarcastic messages asking if I had any idea when his refund would be sorted. Upon checking it, there were no faults found. I issued a refund and blocked him as a buyer as I'd had enough of him. 
The following day I received negative feedback saying he had to chase for delivery (bearing in mind this started no working days into a 10 w/d dispatch window), the packing was filthy ( I used what I had available in the time enforced on me), I didn't dispatch on the Wednesday as I 'promised' (post office counter was down, I tried twice that night, again early morning before posting elsewhere), I'd 'told him to pay the extra £12 for Saturday delivery (I'd actually offered to reimburse him for a Saturday delivery if he would like that so he got his delivery on time), I did nothimg to assist him with the return ( I actually paid, booked and arranged the whole thing, short of driving a 400 mile round trip to collect in person, I could have done nothing more), and all this start to finish with 4 days to go before it's due dispatch date. If this guy won a lottery payout in tenners, he'd complain he had no loose change. 
If I can't leave negative feedback for an AH like this to warn other sellers, there's something seriously wrong and it needs sorting. 

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A simple solution would have been to cancel the order and refund.

 

If buyer then left a neg you had a chance of getting it removed as buyer requested something that wasn't offered in the listing.

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With hindsight, yes, but i do my best to deliver the best I can. At that stage I had no idea the buyer was going to be that unreasonable.
From the rude messages received after it was posted, I knew it would be returned for any reason he could think of. There would always be a problem whatever I did. Had I felt that before I posted, I would have cancelled and sold it to someone possessing some social skills.
No one should be expected tolerate rudeness or abuse in the workplace. EBay is one of my workplaces. If I can’t leave negative feedback for the perpetrators of such, then ebay can only be seen to be condoning that.


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@roger_roger_over_and_nowt wrote:

A simple solution would have been to cancel the order and refund.

 

If buyer then left a neg you had a chance of getting it removed as buyer requested something that wasn't offered in the listing.


👆 This. This is exactly the solution. Sellers ALWAYS have the option to cancel when buyers ask for something not in the listing... and that's exactly what they should do.
Per Ebay's abusive buyer policy......

What should I do if I think a buyer is making an unreasonable demand?

You're not required to agree to any extras or changes from the terms of your listing. If a buyer is making demands that are not a part of your original listing, you will be protected from negative feedback and defects when you either deliver the item purchased by the buyer according to the original terms of your listing, or cancel the transaction.

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Part of the reason we are where we are now, is because sellers used to leave retaliatory negative feedback.. and due to that, buyers could not leave honest reviews of their experience without fear of retaliation. I would not buy on eBay if it went back to the way it was. Besides, buying is anonymous until someone either wins your auction, or buys a buy-it-now item.  It's not like you can pre-emptively go and check a buyer - that's not how the system works anyway... the best thing to do is just weed out buyers with unpaid item strikes and use order cancellation when they are rude or demand things not in the listing. Then you're protected, and buyers are safe from retaliatory feedback from bad sellers. 

 

I was polite and professional when I was sold an item that was not as described. Every single communication. I followed policy, I offered to get the item back to the seller, and when she responded with rude hostility that is exactly why I left negative feedback. She then left a negative comment with a positive rating, and I reported her and eBay removed it. Sellers like her are the reason eBay changed its policies to what they are now. 

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I take your point to some extent, however, it does make the buyer feedback meaningless and just means the same situation is reversed, the buyer can do whatever they like with no fear of bad feedback. Only being able to leave positive feedback is about as pointless as a multiple choice exam with only one answer.
In this case it was bought on a buy it now and the buyer contacted me beforehand so I was able to check his feedback before the sale. Needless to say, it was 100% positive. He wasn’t rude to begin with, a little annoying maybe, but it was a £1000 sale, I only get one of those every couple of weeks, so I don’t mind putting some effort in to keep the buyer happy where I can. It wasn’t until it was in the post that he developed an attitude, by which time I’m just a passenger, there’s not much I can do about it.
The feedback he left me was at best ‘selective’ and in parts was outright lies. For instance he says I promised to post on Wednesday but didn’t until Thursday. He completely fails to mention that I made every effort to post with two attempts on Wednesday evening, but the post office system in the shop was down, I tried again at 7.30 the following morning before taking it to a ‘proper’ post office. It wasn’t like I just hadn’t bothered. In reality it would have made no difference, it wouldn’t have been collected from the shop until Thursday anyway. He then says I ‘told’ him he had to pay £12 for Saturday delivery. What actually happened is I sent him the link to rebook delivery as he was having a tantrum and in an attempt to pacify him, I offered to reimburse the £12 if he wanted to book the Saturday, yet he’s switched this around to make me look bad. He then goes on to say ‘I was no help with the return’ which is an outright lie. I booked and paid for the collection, all he had to do was pop it back in the box and slap a label on it. I’m not sure what else he was expecting? I did reply to the feedback pointing this out, but this guy requires more than 500 characters to do him justice. My feedback was 100% with some excellent non-generic comments, so I think most people will realise he was just ‘one of those customers’, but my point is why should he be able to do this with no fear of any blemish on his profile?
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as a buyer i prefer to go by the response from a seller in feedback rather than the original buyer feedback.  It tells you more and your comment was concise and to the point, i would have no problem buying from you.

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Many thanks, that’s good to know!
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They used to allow this, But it just led to tit for tat feedback, so they stopped it.

 

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yes in favour of the buyer

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It's just ridiculous, it makes the whole feedback thing worthless as anyone who is purely a buyer can never have anything but 100% positive feedback. I'm now in a situation where sales have suddenly gone very slow due to this bad feedback, which is at best unfair and largely complete lies. I've requested a feedback revision, which he's declined, so that's the end of it. EBay won't investigate in spite of it all being there in black and white in the message trail. I'm selling kit worth £1000 a time on average plus shop fees at business rate, so they're taking enough £ from me one way or another, but are utterly useless when asked to step in. I've reported the buyer for demanding services not offered in the original sale (I.e. Amazon prime delivery time) and then leaving negative feedback when he doesn't get his own way, but nothing will happen as the buyer can do whatever they like with impunity and I'm stuck with some grumpy liar having a tantrum on my feedback profile. EBay need to remember that it is the seller who pays the fees to them, not the buyer!

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eBay will ask you to report the buyer and nothing comes out of it. 

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I agree with you. eBay get their fees from sellers and not buyers yet they don't protect sellers in terms of lying feedbacks

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You can only speak for your own attitude, what in a case where buyer lied and there are glaring evidence she lied, buyers are taking the *bleep* that because seller can not retaliate then they lie. Seller reports to eBay, eBay ask you to log the complaint and they do nothing. eBay has never come back to me on all the logs even if to them buyer was right or wrong

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@olubawo-69 wrote:

I agree with you. eBay get their fees from sellers and not buyers yet they don't protect sellers in terms of lying feedbacks


Although eBay's fees are charged to the seller surely the money to pay for those fees comes from the buyer? 

In fact, under eBay's Managed Payments the fees are deducted directly from the buyer's payment. 

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Yes, the money to pay fees ultimately comes from the buyer, but only in the same way as the money for all costs associated with running a business comes from buyers. If I sell something for £1000, I only see about £850 of it. The rest goes to ebay. For £150 a time, I expect some sort of support, but it seems we’re paying good money for the buyer’s support and receiving nothing ourselves. In most traditional auctions, the hammer price is pretty much what the seller receives and the auction house make their money by charging the buyer a ‘buyers premium’, usually 15-20% on top of the sale price, although I understand this would probably result in a lower sale price to compensate, so it’s not a complete answer.


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