18-02-2025 5:14 PM
I am extremely disappointed with an issue that I had confirmation that a case was resolved in December via eBay, but that eBay has kept trying to apply an unauthorised charge to in the past few weeks (8 weeks after the case was resolved and closed).
I have held this account with eBay for over 20 years, have both sold and bought items, and have a 100% positive seller rating. I sold a coat back in December, in excellent condition, the buyer gave a fraudulent reason why it was 'not as described', and then sent it back with additional damages that were not there and in an unsaleable condition. When I called eBay to try to apply a partial refund to the buyer (I was needing help how to do this on the portal as I had never done it before), after I had told the story of what happened, he was very empathetic and offered that eBay would pay out the refund on my behalf and that I would only need to pay £0.99 towards the refund. I was unsure of what he actually meant at first, so both my husband and I got him to talk through the process several times and he emphatically reassured us many times - we would receive the original money from the coat sale as the item came back damaged and unsaleable condition, eBay would pay the refund on my behalf because the item was damaged and I would only need to contribute £0.99 to the refund given to the buyer and that eBay would pay the rest. It was very clear and he clarified this several times. The man we spoke to sounded very senior, professional and in a legislative position to be able to apply this, and even though he was reassuring it would definitely happen, he said it was a special circumstance.
Disappointingly, I never received any email confirmation of the call afterwards and we had to keep chasing eBay to release our funds for the sale as was promised for over 10 days. On the 23rd of December we got a call saying that my funds had now been released and asking if they could close the case.
I checked the account, my funds had been released and I assumed they had accounted for the £0.99 fee into it as the funds were £33.40 which we assumed were the £40 I sold the coat for minus the postage we had to pay to get the coat back, but no accurate or definitive breakdown could be found. On my account it said the buyer had received the refund, Ebay had paid, and my funds had been released, in accordance with what was promised.
Then, 6.5 weeks later, on the 6th of February, I got an email that my bank account was going to be charged for £40 (the amount I sold the coat for and the same amount as the refund). There was no other explanation for why in the email. We tried contacting customer service and they said they can't reverse the charge as it was already initiated but will contact people who are more senior to sort it out and reverse the charge on my account. They said I would be contacted within 5 days. 10 days later nothing had happened at all, no contact, and in the meantime I needed to contact my bank to get this unauthorised charge cancelled before going on. It was listed as a direct debit, but I never agreed to this £40 charge out of nowhere, and the bank also seemed familiar with Ebay's ways and walked through the process of cancelling the direct debit and reversing the charge if necessary.
The payment therefore did not go through but I'm still receiving emails asking me to give payment details for a payment I initiated - one I never initiated in the first place because the case was closed months ago. They are claiming I owe them £40 which shows on the system now, for 'accrued sellers costs' when they promised that Ebay would cover the refund due to this special circumstance minus £0.99, when they did, my funds were released and the case was closed. From my perspective, if it was true that I as the seller was due to cover the refund costs, my funds from the sale would have never been released as I know that Ebay withholds funds if a seller needs to give a refund. Whenever we have tried to call Ebay since it is extremely difficult getting anywhere, one customer service rep had the audacity yesterday to say that our story wasn't even believable! The customer service rep back in December did say it was a special circumstance but he offered and initiated it rather than us and confirmed and walked through it with us many times, but then apparently did not leave any notes on the system. Does anyone know how far back call recordings are kept as I am hoping Ebay can retrieve this one telephone conversation from 14th December?
This is very disappointing and stressful as a person who has had an excellent buyer and seller account for all these years and has really put me off Ebay as it seems someone has either lied to me or not done their job properly along the way. Has something similar happened to other people out there?
18-02-2025 5:25 PM
I've not had exactly the same experience but after reading through threads here it also looks like I have been given incorrect information by multiple different CS agents, multiple times.
Every time a customer contacted me by message asking me to change the delivery address, for whatever reason, I would contact CS via chat to see if their message requests were sufficient authority. Every single time, they said yes.
According to posts here that is totally inaccurate and the only proof of delivery they accept is their system.
Many other examples of inaccurate information being given out by CS too.
There are a few really good mentors here that seems to know there stuff, tressy and vyola spring to mind and maybe they can offer more help.
18-02-2025 7:07 PM
You're right that some CS agents may say anything to close the call but, in this case, the seller's funds were released. eBay don't release funds for a return until the seller has received the item and refunded the customer.
Also, what's this 99p contribution? If the seller has to pay for its return and eBay will settle the ticket price, then the seller would pay £3+, not 99p.
Maybe a more experienced seller can solve the mystery.
18-02-2025 8:01 PM
I don't understand it any more than you do. It all sounds very bizarre.
18-02-2025 8:07 PM
I was wondering if it was something to do with a chargeback. Never experienced one myself so don't know exact details and I don't remember reading any detailed explanations here either.
18-02-2025 8:30 PM
Can I just clarify a couple of things here first - your buyer initially opened a not as described eBay return and sent back a damaged item. eBay closed the case in your favour and you received the payment.
Your buyer has now issued a not as described chargeback via their card provider.
Only asking the above because if an eBay return is found in your favour then you should be covered by eBay against a future chargeback.
18-02-2025 8:36 PM
Ah, I think that this is the reason that the buyer has chosen for their chargeback:
Taken from:
But, looking at eBay's Seller Protection, if
The payment dispute relates to an eBay Money Back Guarantee case that was already resolved with:
it looks like you should be covered.
Taken from:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/help/policies/selling-policies/payment-dispute-seller-protections?id=5293
How you'll get through to somebody at eBay and argue the toss that you should be covered by their seller protection is going to be a mammoth task though, the advice you've been given from the eBay rep thus far is just made up nonsense.
18-02-2025 9:45 PM
I've read your message regarding the sale of a coat & the Buyer returning it damaged.
You mention you have spoken to a Rep from eBay's CS regarding a partial refund you wanted to send the Buyer & you say you were advised that eBay would refund all but 0.99p. Unfortunately, you also say eBay did not send you written confirmation of the talk which are usually sent to your eBay messages and your email account.
eBay as a Policy for 'Condition of returned items'.
eBay should have no problem in tracing who activated the refund from eBay to the Buyer, so they can investigate it.
Check on your Payments Transaction for the item to see how eBay are describing the refund.
At the moment it seems that eBay have refunded £40.00 to the Buyer & now want to recoup this from the money your received as you have the item back. Did you inform eBay in writing of the condition of the item when it was return to you?
If I need to contact eBay's CS I always do it in writing to avoid any misunderstanding.
In the past I've had eBay contact me to inform me there was a problem with an international Buyer's account. As I had posted the item out - funds for the item & postage were paid to me from eBay.
19-02-2025 10:56 AM
Can you pop back here and update your thread please?
From what I can work out thus far, you should be covered against a chargeback.
19-02-2025 1:16 PM
Hi there,
No that's not what happened - when I reported the incident to Ebay, the customer service rep said that instead of me offering a 50% partial refund to the customer, which is what top rated sellers are allowed to do if an item is sent back damaged, that instead Ebay would refund the buyer in full and I would only be liable to pay 99p towards that as a 'special circumstance'. So Ebay initated the refund, released my funds and now months later are trying to charge me for the full refund in spite of what was promised/agreed. So I'm dealing with Ebay, not the customer now in this case.
19-02-2025 1:27 PM - edited 19-02-2025 1:33 PM
Hi there,
Thanks for your response - yes, we were surprised and disappointed that no written confirmation of the conversation was sent after it finished, even though the rep assured us many times over the phone and did sound professional and senior. It is true that Ebay did initiate the refund after that, and it is encouraging they should be able to locate who initiated it and I'm hoping the record of the call from that rep - it seems so strange that no notes were apparently left after it though, and really disappointing after he was so reassuring on the phone! I can see that I do have some written record of me reporting the incident to Ebay initially - that the coat arrived back damaged, and yet I do not have written response from ebay regarding that -we needed to call ebay to get somewhere with it. From what I can find it just says refunded (ebay paid) and a note saying my funds were released next to the same order. I've also seen there is a financial statement to my account generated on 2nd Feb of this year detailing that there are no disputes, charges and so on so it just feels really unfair/annoying that they are now claiming this charge and taking so long to resolve it!
19-02-2025 1:46 PM - edited 19-02-2025 1:46 PM
I'm nowhere near as knowledgeable as some of the others here but my instincts say copy/screenshot anything you can that gives validity to your counter claim. You mentioned a financial report. You may also have transaction id numbers for the sale in question, via bank and your sales account that you may be able to match. I'd also check in the "history" of that specific sale to see if anything is written there. Anything like payment held/payment released. That way you can pass it over to your bank if necessary &/or authorities should it come to that.
19-02-2025 2:27 PM
As ebay has contacted you regarding the £40 they refunded the Buyer.
If you wish you can make a copy/scan of the following info you have & send it to eBay's CS Dublin (you can get through to them in the mornings) with a cover note explaining the situation:-
- the written record of the reported damaged to the coat.
- the funds release to you including date.
- note of the refund eBay paid the Buyer.
- copy of your financial statement showing no disputes.
- any eBay correspondence you have received regarding you paying any money now.
- any correspondence you have received from your Bank regarding eBay trying to claim funds from your Bank Account in reference to this item.
I understand that eBay has this information already, but I have found in the past it is more straight forward if the CS Rep has all the details in front of them, so they can deal with it.
As the other member mentioned could it be a charge back situation, & this is why eBay are trying to recoup the funds from you.
I had this a few years ago, where the Buyer had opened an eBay case which was found in my favour. The Buyer then went on to opening a case with his Payment Provider. I sent details of the closed case to eBay, & the PP case was also closed straightaway.
19-02-2025 7:30 PM
Thank you, this is helpful. Just wondering, how do you send the info through to CS Dublin's office/department? Is there an email address or written address or something? I haven't been able to find anywhere to email ebay through customer service as like you recommend, I find it easier/clearer presenting evidence in writing
19-02-2025 7:34 PM
Thank you, yes I'm collecting these screen shots/evidence etc. TBH I don't know which it is such a big hassle to do all this and no-one from ebay has been able to fix the issue so far after many lengthy phone calls, as my husband says, it seems like there are faults in their automation system with fees/payments which require manual override in some cases, but it seems like an absolute nightmare to be able to get through to the person who can fix something manually and to be able to convince them of the case in spite of evidence! This kind of thing makes me just wanna be done with Ebay!
19-02-2025 7:41 PM - edited 19-02-2025 7:42 PM
My impression is that the big hassle is deliberate eBay knowing some/maybe even most, will simply give up.
It's why I said what I said about giving the info to your bank or possibly other authorities.
You may not get the solution you are hoping for/deserve if you only deal with eBay. It depends what their intentions are.
19-02-2025 8:27 PM
Contact eBay CS Dublin (in the mornings) by pressing 'Ebay Help' at top of the page.
Press 'Manage Account' - Roll down page to 'Contact eBay & Press - when the automative Assistant replies - Type in 'need to contact an Agent'
When you get through to the Agent -
Type in a basic question, for example 'how do you answer eBay's email sent to you on 6th February as you have Scans/photocopies to show proof how this was handled by eBay in December or what you choose.
The Agent will inform you what to do. You should get a copy of the messaging sent to eBay messages & your email.