EBay it’s the end for private sellers.

[baddie74]

Well finally after changing the format of their selling platform it seems every couple of weeks you have come up with the ultimate level of stupidity with this latest total ridiculous set of changes. Nobody is going to wait what could be weeks to be paid for a item they have sold who ever dreamt up this idea much be so far from reality as needing to push every part time seller off the site. I knew when they came up with the idea of free selling it wouldn’t be long before the idiots that run eBay came up with totally and ridiculous idea to claw back the money they have lost the whole senior management team at EBay must seat round a table all wearing clown costumes saying what is the most stupid idea we can come with to really get rid of half of our customers and the biggest clown wins with this idea and all the other yes people follow. Well I had started selling a few bits again but never again and will not be using EBay again to sell anything it has become a total joke of a company I hope your poor and flawed decisions finally catch up with this once great place to buy and sell has become a total joke.

[b1tsandb0bs]

I have been told I have to wait for 30 days to see if they decide to pay or not. The buyer has the goods but I have nothing. The Royal Mail did not scan the tracked signed for. Therefore they dont believe me that the buyer has the goods. Its not 2 days.

[the_laser_architect]

It's the same for me. i only sell occasional things but this new "wait for your money" policy has just made me pull my lisitings. 20 years been using Ebay to buy and sell and have put up with many of the hair brained ideas they have put in place but this is the final straw. Item sold monday, posted tuesday, won't be delivered until next tuesday according to RM website which mean it will likely be next friday before i see my cash. sorry but that is unacceptable for me now. I have an ebid account that i haven't used for years, i might as well try again, it can't be worse than Ebay is! Also the level of stupidity with some buyers on here is incredulous. I got a question from someone about one of my items. If he had read the listing, he wouldn't have needed to ask me but i replied to him. The item sold later that afternoon to someone else. next day i get another question from them...i'm like what is this guy on? but just before i could reply to tell him it had sold, he sent another message asking why i hadn't replied and demanding that i reply to him? Another buyer asked if i would consider accepting half my buy now price and i still pay the postage? seriously? I despair as some of the whackjobs on here, i really do...

[sunshinedior67]

And you have to cross your fingers that the courier registers the delivery
like their supposed to or it will only show as dispatched not delivered .
That will mean your waiting weeks for the money that's rightfully yours. In
the meantime eBay are holding it in their high interest accounts making
money from you and they know the longer the better. It's immoral & grossly
unfair. As they private sellers drift away they'll have to turn their
attention to buisness sellers & this will be the end of eBay. We will sell
from other platforms no problem ♥️😀

[bittyboy101]

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@b1tsandb0bs wrote:

I have been told I have to wait for 30 days to see if they decide to pay or not. The buyer has the goods but I have nothing. The Royal Mail did not scan the tracked signed for. Therefore they dont believe me that the buyer has the goods. Its not 2 days.

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This is absolutely disgusting.

eBay really need to change this awful new policy back again to when we had our money just before midnight on the SAME day the item has been sold otherwise they are going to lose a lot of their members because we are NOT HAPPY with this new LUDICROUS setup at all which is now VERY INCONVENIENT.

Why are business sellers all getting their money same day and we private sellers are now being forced to wait days for our money ? - This is a DISCRIMINATION !

[tpogodin]

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@bittyboy101 wrote:

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Why are business sellers all getting their money same day and we private sellers are now being forced to wait days for our money ? - This is a DISCRIMINATION !

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It should be clear to everyone that eBay is treating every private seller as a scammer until proven otherwise, there's no other reason to withhold funds unless you suspect every single private sale could be a scam, long standing seller history/feedback be damned. 

[bittyboy101]

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@tpogodin wrote:

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@bittyboy101 wrote:

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Why are business sellers all getting their money same day and we private sellers are now being forced to wait days for our money ? - This is a DISCRIMINATION !

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It should be clear to everyone that eBay is treating every private seller as a scammer until proven otherwise, there's no other reason to withhold funds unless you suspect every single private sale could be a scam, long standing seller history/feedback be damned. 

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I think you may be right.

Seems funny though how all this has suddenly now started... 🤔 

[sunshinedior67]

Buisness sellers pay fees so their rules remain the same. eBay dropped
private sellers fees not through sellers choice it was enforced. The reason
behind all this isn't to protect buyers as there are many ways eBay could
have protect. They could refund from linked back accounts or given seller
the option to request payment after delivery. They have the ability to put
holds on available funds. They can freeze or remove accounts or remove the
selling account but that's not what their about. They've calculated they
can make more money from holding sellers funds in their high interest bank
accounts and the longer the better. This is why they've been advertising
for more private sellers to make money from. As a buyer I can say all my
bad experiences have been from buisness sellers & lately I've complained
about them manipulating the remove negative feedback option they have. A
seller made a partial refund for a return before I returned it & claimed it
was missing parts when returned by me. Under this return false return they
had a auto negative feedback removal. I took this up with eBay who refunded
me in full & despite seeing it hadn't been returned & sellers message
saying to keep the item which were sent after they claimed it was returned
eBay stated they couldn't reinstate my feedback. My point is buisness
sellers know how to cheat buyers & the system & don't care. eBay doesn't
care about sellers or buyers and by not treating either in a fair way will
soon be out of buisness. I won't buy from eBay anymore and without buyers
there's no eBay. I'm moving my sales to another platform that knows what
their doing. If eBay brings back fees & fairness I may return.

[johnwash1]

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@the_laser_architect wrote:

It's the same for me. i only sell occasional things but this new "wait for your money" policy has just made me pull my lisitings. 20 years been using Ebay to buy and sell and have put up with many of the hair brained ideas they have put in place but this is the final straw. Item sold monday, posted tuesday, won't be delivered until next tuesday according to RM website which mean it will likely be next friday before i see my cash. sorry but that is unacceptable for me now. I have an ebid account that i haven't used for years, i might as well try again, it can't be worse than Ebay is! Also the level of stupidity with some buyers on here is incredulous. I got a question from someone about one of my items. If he had read the listing, he wouldn't have needed to ask me but i replied to him. The item sold later that afternoon to someone else. next day i get another question from them...i'm like what is this guy on? but just before i could reply to tell him it had sold, he sent another message asking why i hadn't replied and demanding that i reply to him? Another buyer asked if i would consider accepting half my buy now price and i still pay the postage? seriously? I despair as some of the whackjobs on here, i really do...

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Such a familiar story to most of us, I reckon.  Fortunately ebay has a "block whackjob" list you can add them to (aka block bidders list).

Think yourself lucky.  I'm always happy when these nuts self-identify before attempting to buy.  It's the ones who've already bought, those are the ones to worry about.  E.g. the ones who tell you "Please pack this item carefully, it's very fragile", as if my stellar feedback with people congratulating me on the quality of my packaging doesn't exist.

Good luck with your selling.  I'm just restarting over there as well.  Currently only as an insurance policy, but if mandatory Simple Delivery turns out to be the disaster I suspect, I'll have to quit here completely.

[sunshinedior67]

Good luck too. Sorry buyers looking for bargains because you'll never find
them as eBay move the private sellers listing to the bottom. Buyers you'll
have to scroll for so long you'll simply give up & buy at a higher price
from a buisness. Those little treasures won't be around as private sellers
can't afford your liability 😕

[theelench]

I've been selling there for years, slowly but steadily.  The reason is simple  --  because buyers can find my stuff  --  because the search searches for what the buyer writes in the search box not for what they write + listings with Sponsorship, then tacking some un-sponsored listings on at the end.

I used to wonder how the posse of Watchers could always find my listings although they had no intention of buying at the asking price or even putting in a bid, but real buyers rarely could, even if they were searching for exactly what I'd listed.

It's obvious really.  Ebay hides my listings from collectors who will pay a reasonable price by making them invisible.  But facilitates the professional re-sellers with the ability to scroll down the results adding anything interesting to their Watch List without even viewing it.  They'll also know to add any seller who lists interesting stuff regularly to their Saved Sellers List.  

No more scrolling for them, they have a direct route to those sellers and their items that real buyers don't.

Just one of the reasons that ebay has become useless to both private sellers and private buyers these days.

[theelench]

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@tpogodin wrote:

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@bittyboy101 wrote:

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It should be clear to everyone that eBay is treating every private seller as a scammer until proven otherwise, there's no other reason to withhold funds unless you suspect every single private sale could be a scam, long standing seller history/feedback be damned. 

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Ebay isn't "treating every private seller as a scammer until proven otherwise,..."

They're treating every private seller as a potential scammer despite, in many cases, them having proved they are not.  How many of those taking down their listings / leaving ebay /stopped buying on ebay have prefaced their comments with such replies with -  "After 10 / 15 / 20 years of buying and selling on ebay....."  

How long does it take to prove to ebay that you're not a scammer?

It seems that if you're a private seller you have to prove it again and again after every sale.

But the probable cause of these restrictions  --  BUSINESSES trading on private accounts are, from replies on the BSB and who are clearly identifiable as scammers (and have often been for years) are free to continue working within the restrictions that are making it impossible for blameless genuine private sellers to do so.

Is it sane to throw the nice clean baby down the drain and keep the filthy bath water?

Apparently it makes sense to ebay to do exactly that - penalise the innocent - but let the scammers go on their merry way virtually untouched.

[bittyboy101]

I tell you what I think has brought on all this rather sudden change with payments now being held by a 3rd party like "Escrow"... It is all these new rogue sellers selling items that they DON'T HAVE just to get hold of buyers money to get them instant money.

They eventually refund when the item fails to arrive after a buyer opens a case, or  they wait a few days and then say to their buyer "sorry it's been damaged will now refund"

This wastes people's time and gives eBay a bad name.  This is the only explanation for this rather      drastic change which many honourable sellers like myself are now caught up in.  😞

Basically these rogue sellers (who are clever scammers) have ruined it for everyone respectable who has been on eBay for years... Now we are all suffering as a result that eBay can no longer trust  any private seller regardless of their feedback and the time they have been on eBay as an "Above average seller" with no defects. 

[sunshinedior67]

This is exactly why they'll make simple delivery mandatory. They are
colluding with the couriers to not mark deliveries as delivered. It's in
eBays interest to hold onto sellers money for the longest time so they can
make the maximum interest on it. They are taking a cut from these couriers.
What other reason do they have as they've covered refunds to sellers by
holding funds until delivery.Their making scummy plans that will soon
surface.

[bittyboy101]

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@bittyboy101 wrote:

I tell you what I think has brought on all this rather sudden change with payments now being held by a 3rd party like "Escrow"... It is all these new rogue sellers selling items that they DON'T HAVE just to get hold of buyers money to get them instant money.

They eventually refund when the item fails to arrive after a buyer opens a case, or  they wait a few days and then say to their buyer "sorry it's been damaged will now refund"

This wastes people's time and gives eBay a bad name.  This is the only explanation for this rather      drastic change which many honourable sellers like myself are now caught up in.  😞

Basically these rogue sellers (who are clever scammers) have ruined it for everyone respectable who has been on eBay for years... Now we are all suffering as a result that eBay can no longer trust  any private seller regardless of their feedback and the time they have been on eBay as an "Above average seller" with no defects. 

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Just quoting my last post...

If this is really the case and the reason why we private sellers now can't be trusted by eBay ?...

Wouldn't be more fairer if this held payment rule until after delivery was only enforced on all private sellers which have been on eBay for under 3 years and who have less then a 100 positive feedback's in score.

And anyone who has 3 negatives or 3 eBay cases opened for items not received (or not as described )within a 12 month period eBay should then place their future payments on hold until a confirmed delivery (or 14 days after an unconfirmed delivery) until the 12 month period has expired and all the negative feedback (or case defects) have then gone off their account returning their feedback score back to a respectable 100% positive and "Above average seller" status again where they will then start again enjoying faster payments with no holds one more time.    

[bittyboy101]

This horrid money after delivery rule should be made compulsory for all CHINESE BASED SELLERS WHO LIE TO BUYERS SAYING "ITEM LOCATED IN UK" OR "FAST UK DELIVERY" WHEN THEY CHEAT AND SEND THE ITEM DIRECTLY FROM CHINA WITH A LONG DELAY IN BUYER RECEIVING WHAT THEY PAID FOR !

[therma-tec]

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@sunshinedior67 wrote:
This is exactly why they'll make simple delivery mandatory. They are
colluding with the couriers to not mark deliveries as delivered. It's in
eBays interest to hold onto sellers money for the longest time so they can
make the maximum interest on it. They are taking a cut from these couriers.
What other reason do they have as they've covered refunds to sellers by
holding funds until delivery. Their making scummy plans that will soon
surface.

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After reading ALL of the comments on here, this has got to be the most ludicrous one of all!

There is absolutely no way at all that any courier company or ebay would work like that. So many laws would be broken, that many 'top dogs' at these companies would be facing long jail time and HUGE fines. 

The money on hold goes into escrow, ebay don't have it in their bank accounts so won't (shouldn't) be accumulating interest. Any possible interest (depending on the escrow) that is gained on this money will most likely be to pay for the escrow company to sort out the thousands of daily transactions that will occur. 

I truly agree though that Ebay have totally dropped the ball with this new system. The new buyer protection thing, is complete & utter nonsense since the MBG does EXACTLY the same thing.

Personally, I haven't bought from ebay for a very, very long time. I'd rather pay the slightly higher prices with guaranteed next day delivery with Amazon Prime, rather than wait 2-3 days for the item to be dispatched then another 2-3 days for it to be delivered from here.

[kh-216319]

They're not clowning around. Obviously they want rid of private sellers.

[b1tsandb0bs]

I agree Ebay cannot rule delivery companies telling them not to up date the delivery or the tracking. The only company that would do this is Evri as I wont use them have stolen my parcels, and its fact they sell stolen parcels in auctions you can see this on videos up loaded. 

All people on here are saying you get your funds in 2 days for evidence of delivery. That is not true two parcels delivered on the same day with the tracking as delivered one took 4 days for payment and the other 5 days. For a parcel hand delivered and feedback left for me, they will not take that as evidence on the phone ebay told me that the feedback is meaningless and proves nothing.  As I did not have a tracking number, but one of my had not been scanned therefore it has been sitting in the Post Office since 8th February, I wont be currently paid, and told me will take up to 30 days. The buyer has this and left me feedback. 

for anyone saying I am moaning or I dont have any money I have had an account for 21 years, so I am stating the facts of what I have been told by two at ebay, one said 40 days which I did not mishear and the second said 30 days. 

So if you have feedback left the scan was not done you will not be paid or if you are paid it will be 30 days.

[bojangled]

@therma-tec 

They have admitted they make interest on funds, back in October 2023.

https://www.valueaddedresource.net/ebay-payment-terms-update-october-2023/

Jo

[b1tsandb0bs]

Nothing surprises me this is a fraudulent mess, taking our money and hoping they get away with it. Its not their money its ours the buyer has the goods and they are keeping the money. Need to get a lawyer to investigate this.  They need proof from delivery with a tracking number, like mine have not scanned.