04-05-2025 9:47 AM
Hi fellow Lemmings, Not sure, but is it the Lemmings that follow one another and run over cliffs?
All the years being an eBay user, I don't remember ever looking at any messages posted on here, don't remember needing to?
Was it always like it is now full of doom & gloom about eBay and what's going on, or is it since these changes?
Nobody's happy about them and most like myself are threatening leaving if they don't reverse what they have done.
Do you think anybody is listening or are they busy putting up new signs showing us where the cliffs are?
Hope I don't change my mind and stay then see you all at the bottom!
04-05-2025 5:19 PM
I still think the BPF & Simple Delivery are the worst things eBay could have done - or the best, if it was their intention to discourage private sellers...
Simple Delivery has taken away all the flexibility of being able to choose the best postage option for your items, and for your personal circumstances - as well as dictating the prices. It is disempowering for sellers, with few advantages, if any, for buyers. Lots of sellers will want to exclude Evri, so the buyer will pay more for RM, unless the seller offers free post and absorbs the cost... which will make a variety of interesting, lower priced items not worth selling.
Buyers are also being dragged into the mess Simple Delivery has created for those sellers trying to offer combined postage... it seems there is no way to do this without either relisting items as bundles, or having to refund the excess postage - which is not the straightforward task it used to be, before all this 'seller pays/buyer pays/who gets the refund?' business...
eBay will have to do a heck of a lot of 'tweaking' to make Simple Delivery a decent alternative to Custom postage.
04-05-2025 5:24 PM
V also (rightly) gets an easier time of it because, as far as I know, the buyer fee has always been there, as have their bundling processes. That's what I'm referring to when I say eBay's implementation has not been good enough. If eBay had been ready to implement this when they said they would, and had foreseen (and addressed) the obvious issues, we would probably have moved on by now.
We might still be hankering for the "good old days", but SD would have been mandatory for private sellers for a month by now, and the conversation would have moved on.
04-05-2025 5:32 PM - edited 04-05-2025 5:34 PM
@vinylscot wrote:That's what I'm referring to when I say eBay's implementation has not been good enough. If eBay had been ready to implement this when they said they would, and had foreseen (and addressed) the obvious issues, we would probably have moved on by now.
We can certainly agree ebay's implementation has not been good enough but the answer is not that they should have forced it on us when they said they would but they should not have forced it upon anyone until it was an overall good proposition that people would generally accept and still represents good value for money however you use it.
We might still be hankering for the "good old days", but SD would have been mandatory for private sellers for a month by now, and the conversation would have moved on.
I don't see how the conversation could move on when it would be so continually bad.
It's really not fit for purpose so won't settle down in it's current form.
04-05-2025 5:37 PM
That's where we differ. I think buyers will like it, as long as the kinks are ironed out, and I think sellers will accept it because the buyers like it.
04-05-2025 6:26 PM - edited 04-05-2025 6:29 PM
@vinylscot wrote:That's where we differ. I think buyers will like it, as long as the kinks are ironed out, and I think sellers will accept it because the buyers like it.
Maybe it will be a Marmite thing but as a buyer it feels like I am the one expected to pickup the tab for everything. I've got to pay the buyer tax price inflation. I've got to pay for expensive postage in duplicate with no bundle discounts. I've got to pay more if it's not convenient or possible for the seller to go to an Evri dropoff. I've got to pay more because ebay want to send large letter items as parcels to meet their Evri commitments - all the waste is for the buyer to pay and ebay still make a fat margin on the transaction.
As a seller I know we are getting a little screwed too on the packaging, dropoff/collection costs, etc
As a buyer I'm not invested in this platform in the same was as a seller who has invested hours into hundreds of listings - it's very easy for me to buy elsewhere if they are offering better value and that's what they seem to be doing.
Ironing out the kinks is an extensive task to get this to be acceptable.
04-05-2025 7:59 PM
Lemmings and the cliff thing was made up by Disney way back in the 50s or 60s for one of their nature docs.
04-05-2025 9:47 PM
Same here, spent too much time perusing the forum over the last few weeks.
With regards to Ebay's changes we either accept them or alternatively make other changes ourselves.
Change is a two way street.
The changes have been a reality check and whereas Ebay was the only vehicle for selling and the first port of call for minor online purchases it is now neither.
Money earned from the few sporadic sales is now withdrawn as soon as it has cleared; the only purchase I've made since Buyers Purchasing Fine was introduced was some stamps to post sales out (it now looks like I'll be stuck with these once Ebay sorts out SD and it finally becomes compulsory).
Items I want to purchase online are researched on Ebay and then sourced/purchased elsewhere, usally cheaper but it they are a few pennies dearer so be it.
First car boot sale for over a decade today, selling items that had been destined for ebay, resulted in more sales than ebay has generated in the last ten weeks. I did offer to implement SD by carrying items to peoples cars, for a fee of course, but i did not make it compulsory as part of the sales process so people kindly declined.
Even better, when people paid for items they actually gave me the money straight away. What a fantastic concept that is!
05-05-2025 7:02 AM
no, i am also a frequent buyer and i see nothing about SD that improves my buying experience! I have always used RM and have never had any issue with them either way. I would buy from anyone using any other courier BUT evri but the choice is restricted now to just RM and that means the postage will be higher and to be honest i prefer not to pay extra for a tracking service which is no better than the RM certificate of posting that i have always used (and am happy if that is what the seller offers - for lower value items of course). If it arrived damaged then i have a comeback already with the e bay guarantee. One example i can give is that years ago i managed to get a leather jacket in auction for 99p, why on earth would i or the seller want to pay more to send it tracked? (still got it and wear it as well!)
I wonder if the reason it is still 50/50 is that some of us have had our items put on to SD but have still been able to list custom????? My items went over last week but i found that i could alter them and believe me none of them are in the exceptions list.
05-05-2025 7:09 AM
i have accepted all the changes up to now but SD is one too far. As far as managed payments, i tried it and accepted that but preferred the paypal way. Paying fees was never a problem, (could have been a bit lower though) and i would prefer that to the buyer fees way they are doing which gives odd figures and is physiologically unattractive. I can also live with the payment delays because i am in no hurry for the money but does mean i had to keep a closer eye on when things were delivered and expected payment day. Taking away my choice of postage as a seller and limiting me to RM with added cost of tracking and EVRI is a complete NO NO.
05-05-2025 9:36 AM
Hi Cliff, Blimey is that what you look like! always thought you were much bigger. Nice photo though.
Sorry about the joke about you and your mates playing near and falling into the sea. I know you don't.
Its those Artic foxes you have to be careful of, sure your parents have told you they can creep up on you.
But what was they thinking giving you a name like "Cliff Jumper" did they not think it could give you ideas.
05-05-2025 9:46 AM
sorry meant 'psychologically unattractive'
05-05-2025 11:45 AM
I'm not jumping off the cliff. Instead for weeks I've been gradually and carefully working my way down the cliff-face, establishing footholds and handholds.
In other words, I've followed those of my regular eBay private sellers and small businesses who in Feb, March or April this year suspended their listings or moved to another platform or set up their own websites. Where some have a presence on eBay and now their own site, I use the latter. And yes, there was a noticeable number of them. Some wrote on their listings or, mostly, put physical notes in with their orders, paraphrasing "moving to [url/platform] due to the new eBay fees (or system)".
I'm sad and long for a return to no BPF when buying was straightforward AND had complete control over the sale & shipping, plus I'm aware of the unfairness of eBay sitting unnecessarily long on seller payments. Increasingly I need to get away from the hostile ghost-town that eBay's become since Feb. I revisit it occasionally, in hope, but all I do now is look at the shops of a handful of my regular private & business sellers. I gave up bidding in auctions due to BPF complicating it; I'm not good at maths and I couldn't retain when BPF applied and how; seeing too many figures for one item did my head in and who seeks a too-many-price-variables buying experience?
Shopping where BPF exists (eBay, V...ted, and I think that's basically the only two) isn't compulsory, and BPF isn't the normal way of shopping in this country. I thank eBay for driving me to shop a lot elsewhere. I've calculated that I've spent £Ks elsewhere that before I'd've spent on eBay, and had the pleasure of exploring new places.
Every so often I also search news sites online, directly and using several search engines and the consensus was that eBay's sales plummeted (not just declined) in Feb, with possible reasons being it's normally a quiet month, and eBay's shambolic forced phone updates re its app.
From the measures eBay introduced and how it affected posters here, it seemed clear to me that eBay wanted rid of small private sellers but rather than be open about it did it in a passive aggressive way by introducing a raft of fees and oppressive restrictions designed to drive them away i.e. by being so horrible to them that many would leave. eBay's unpleasant behaviour has also been a factor in driving me away and also the patronising claim by eBay that the measures benefit customers when what was visible was that it was probably gaining (not earning) £millions from sitting on seller's money. Maybe eBay believes its own propaganda. But most buyers don't need BPF as there's the MBG and existing statutory consumer laws.
OP, if you read eBay discussion boards regularly you'll soon learn which posters and which mentors (who're constrained by eBay in some ways that ordinary posters aren't) are very pro-eBay/anti-eBay.
05-05-2025 2:24 PM
Hello again Cliff Lemming,
Been reading more of the messages on here, and thought best let you know not to worry about those sneaky foxes, they are all down here working for eBay.
No longer interested in Lemmings its the Private Sellers they are after.
Should have taken more notice I know, but I for one did not see the changes coming just crept up on me.
Before the clever ones tell me "You do not have to stay you know" which I know they will, am getting in a last moan about the way us Private Sellers were shown the door!!
05-05-2025 4:19 PM
Very sorry, despite proof-reading I failed to notice I'd forgotten to include "BPF" in the following "...the consensus was that eBay's sales plummeted (not just declined) in Feb, with possible reasons being it's normally a quiet month, and eBay's shambolic forced phone updates re its app."
It should read "the consensus was that eBay's sales plummeted (not just declined) in Feb, with possible reasons being it's normally a quiet month, BPF, and eBay's shambolic forced phone updates re its app."