09-08-2016 1:21 PM
I am finding that it is now impossible to filter the loation of the products that I want to buy
I click on the "UK only" filter but then I have to go through 1000s of listings that are located in China but claim to be in the UK.
This is making for a very bad buying experience and is putting me off even trying to find products on this site.
Am I wasting my time complaing to the site administrator or should I just shop elsewhere?
25-07-2019 12:50 AM
@jcorton09 wrote:I too am finding this and when you try to return something you message the seller and they contact you back at 2am on a Saturday morning then you reply back an don't here anything for 2 days. Also you never get the question answered and when you reply to a comment for the 3rd time to tell them the product doesn't work you have to explain yourself again because someone else picks the complaint up. You can't phone them either. Most Uk sellers still offer a bargain and save you the hassle of trailing 10 kids into town to go to b&m. I try to buy from the uk because of the shipping times I want it in the 3-5 working days not 3-5 weeks
Ah, yet another first post by someone who has never experienced the abuse alleged, if feedback is anything to go by. How can sellers make a 3-5 week delivery time more than a very occasional business practice, when buyers are winning INR cases and being refunded in less than two? Looking at the delivery estimate before you buy isn't aa lot of detective work to ask.
Have you really reflected that you would stop innocent people selling and innocent people buying?
29-07-2019 8:55 AM
29-07-2019 9:40 AM
I don't believe the board rule against repetitive posting is meant to cover something like "Ah, yet another first post by someone who has never experienced the abuse alleged, if feedback is anything to go by."
31-07-2019 11:33 AM
31-07-2019 2:08 PM
@r3n3g4d3m4st3r wrote:
I have notice a huge jump in the amount of items that say they are in the UK but when you check the tracking they show the international hub at heathrow as the first step in the journey that took 2-3 days in the status of 'Sender despatching item.. Item is on it's way to the International Logistics Centre, SL3 8AQ'. It seems that sellers are now just offering tracking on the UK arm of the journey as some kind of cover for the item being only posted in the UK. It seems less and less of these sellers are using UK warehouses now and are using this method to get their sales.
As it appears (but see my last paragraph) to have happened only once to you, that doesn't seem like the huge jump you are noticing. Well, probably once. I don't know if we are talking about the same itemm since you say in feedback that you tracked it from China, and here say you onlyhave tracking within the UK.I have hinted as delicately as decorum permits why we see a large number of complaints on the board, but I wouldn't describe even those as hugely jumping.
He certainly wasn't conscientious enough to have his UK fulfilment centre pick up and remail a single item, just to avoid running out on you. Obviously it came in a large consignment to Heathrow, which they remailed from there. He would probably say that his fulment service were simply remailing individual items from the same depot they visit every day to pick up mass shipments. That is a policy violation if he relies on stock arriving after the listing begins. But iallowed if they get the stock before the listing opens, and maybe to top up stock which hasn't run out.
Would I believe him if he said that? I shouldn't think so. But I do believe that this is the only non-positive feedback he has received for false item location, i.e. better than 0.1%. What almost all sellers guilty of this are doing, is making up a stockholding deficiency just once in a while. It should be compared with what some British sellers do once in a while.
There were signs you could have noticed. He has 98% feedback, and since he has been in business less than the year for which the percentage is calculated, it was probably worse when you bought. More significantly, a lot of it is for things that don't look like accidental mishaps. It was a cheap item, and nobody counterfeits soldering paste, but you can't buy your time and trouble cheap, and he can't refund them. How long does a look take?
He also offers seven-day delivery, while a lot of sellers with stock genuinely in this country offer two or three days. This might seem better than two or three weeks, as it reduces the chances of an item arriving in time by China Post. But in a way it is worse for the aggrieved buyer. He can open a case, and lose it when the item arrives within the further eight. A case settled in this way doesn't count against him unless he notches up a lot of them, and it takes away the buyer's right to leave feedback.
31-07-2019 2:41 PM
I was lucky enough to be invited to present at Royal Mail's conference last week. I am speaking with their Director of Parcels. Another person is looking into why so many parcels are coming from China.
One thing they did tell me is that they offer this service below
https://proshipping.royalmail.com/Account/Login?ReturnUrl=%2F
The Chinese send the items in and when received by RM they put the labels on and send out from Heathrow etc. I have reported a couple where the tracking shows via RM International logistics centres. Looks like this issue is party caused by RM assisting the Chinese in this abuse. I am not sure if it’s just because RM is so large one part is pulling one way whilst the other part is wondering why UK customer revenue is down.
Just yesterday I spoke with someone who gave me a negative feedback due to RM losing the item. His FB was as follows:
AVOID not UK seller, item didn't arrive and false tracking numbers sent
I phoned him and it turned out he didn’t understand RM48 only had delivery confirmation but furthermore he used to be an eBay seller and sent 7 sacks per day but had just given up due to being unable to compete against this item location misrepresentation. I personally think these above issues are causing lots of people to walk away from eBay (as they did 2012-2014 when this happened before).
31-07-2019 3:12 PM
@gallovidian,
You are wrongly assuming Ive only encountered this once, by looking at my feedback left, but rest assured Ive not left bad feeback on all of them, as they mostly deliver quite quickly and I have some outstanding bad feedback to leave some more.
This week alone I have tracked 3 of my parcels from China that were supposed to be from the UK.
Only this morning I have sent another reply to a seller that has passed his delivery date by a week.,
This is not on and yes, I have noticed a HUGE jump in the amount of these false location postings.
You can make whatever excuses you want about how they handle their stock, but when they are advertising the location of the item in the UK and shipping them from China/Hong Kong/Malaysia or even France, it's lying and wrong.
01-08-2019 9:53 AM
@lupo-store wrote:I was lucky enough to be invited to present at Royal Mail's conference last week. I am speaking with their Director of Parcels. Another person is looking into why so many parcels are coming from China.
One thing they did tell me is that they offer this service below
https://proshipping.royalmail.com/Account/Login?ReturnUrl=%2F
The Chinese send the items in and when received by RM they put the labels on and send out from Heathrow etc. I have reported a couple where the tracking shows via RM International logistics centres. Looks like this issue is party caused by RM assisting the Chinese in this abuse. I am not sure if it’s just because RM is so large one part is pulling one way whilst the other part is wondering why UK customer revenue is down.
Just yesterday I spoke with someone who gave me a negative feedback due to RM losing the item. His FB was as follows:
AVOID not UK seller, item didn't arrive and false tracking numbers sent
I phoned him and it turned out he didn’t understand RM48 only had delivery confirmation but furthermore he used to be an eBay seller and sent 7 sacks per day but had just given up due to being unable to compete against this item location misrepresentation. I personally think these above issues are causing lots of people to walk away from eBay (as they did 2012-2014 when this happened before).
Now that is interesting news, a thing we don't see every day on threads like this. Your link is available only to account holders, but I get the general idea.
I'm sure Royal Mail intend this as a service to sellers who declare their stock as being in China. It would then be permissible under current eBay policies, and between eBay and the Royal Mail whether they want to change them. It would be a violation if the stock isn't in the UK throughout the listing period, but surely one far less likely to disappoint the buyers than mailing from China or trusting a private fulfilment dentre to individually mail items from a large consignment.
We had a thread some time back including a post from someone who had visited one of the commonly used centres, and found it very large and efficient. But there are Chinese frauds, albeit no more common, apparently, then caucasian frauds. I tracked down a centre address on Google street photography which had figured in severa. It was a roller-blind door in a back street, apparently the back entrance to what, around the corner, was a drop-off point for several courier services. It even showed a conspicuously anglo bald head in the front window. The Royal Mail scheme, while subject to abuse, seems like an improvement on that.
In one way eBay must be a uniquely favourable trading environment. For nobody ever goes out of business because they can't run a viable business. It is always the policies. I think you correctly identify competition for sales as the main reason for anger at the Chinese seller situation. I believe action against them would contravene regulations on which WTO membership depends. It is also hard to imagine it happening without agitation from buyers. I don't believe a decline in the use of eBay due to location misdeclaration is likely, as long as buyers are getting their items within the delivery estimate. If it was, it would surely happen the sales of Chinese sellers declaring UK stock would surely decline first, and we all knnow what3 those are doing.
If anecdotal experience is worth considering, then so is mine. I have bought freely from Chinese sellers, with stock here and there, and have never found it misdeclared.
You have 113 non-positive feedbacks out of 17,944 this year, with one of them an accusation of delivery from China. Plenty of very large Chinese sellers have a comparable record, and it doesn't seem impossible that their 0.0000015 of sales for this violation could have come the same way. The buying-ID threads have given a convenient stick to hit them with, and In the Middle Ages it would have been devil-worship.
01-08-2019 10:51 AM
I can assure you i am sitting here in sunny Northants 🙂
That neg FB will be removed. Just awaiting my A/C manager to call me back. I just left it there so people can see how buyers are putting 2+2=5.
My guess is RM created this great system but the Chinese are saying stock location UK. This is in direct contravention of eBay rules. If something arrives with an RM48 sticker but also a CN22 customs declaration and arrived in the UK via the internation logistics centres RM own then thats a problem.
If you are a UK business and wish to reclaim the VAT then you can't if the stock source was outside the EU. If the Chinese offer you a VAT invoice and you reclaim the VAT then you are breaking the law.
They are lying to RM and misusing the system. The simple solution would be for RM to provide a list of all sellers on this programme to eBay and they can check if the location is China. If not then they are breaking eBay rules and should be reprimanded.
I have already reported this to senior eBay management I know at HQ yesterday.
02-08-2019 6:58 AM
Hell, this is drivine nuts!
I mistakingly clicked and bought a USB caddy that is listed as 'Item Location: Liverpool'
As I am in Southport (about 18 miles from Liverpool) I thought this would be a good option to get the item before Monday (this was a few days ago)
Then I get this message saying the delivery would be 5-10 days
I then asked "is the item is in the UK?" then "is the item in Liverpool?" - they ignored both those questions.
On looking a the seller info there is an address in China. I should have check this first obviously but was tired.
I have cancelled the order. How can I report to eBay or is their no point?
This essentially means I am going to have check the seller address and ask them several questions and threaten them with negs if they they lie or don't get it to me in reasonable time. Its loco!!!
02-08-2019 8:33 AM
@bitlogic wrote:Hell, this is drivine nuts!
I mistakingly clicked and bought a USB caddy that is listed as 'Item Location: Liverpool'
As I am in Southport (about 18 miles from Liverpool) I thought this would be a good option to get the item before Monday (this was a few days ago)
Then I get this message saying the delivery would be 5-10 days
I then asked "is the item is in the UK?" then "is the item in Liverpool?" - they ignored both those questions.
On looking a the seller info there is an address in China. I should have check this first obviously but was tired.
I have cancelled the order. How can I report to eBay or is their no point?
This essentially means I am going to have check the seller address and ask them several questions and threaten them with negs if they they lie or don't get it to me in reasonable time. Its loco!!!
The delivery estimate that counts, for the ability to oopen an INR case, is the one in the listing, repeated to you in the confirmation e-mail, and not any date the seller tells you later. It it is five days you can opeb but not win an INR, but with ten and a short delivery estimate you just might. Cases lost are crippling for a seller, but cases opened and settled by arrival of the item are harmful too, if there are enough of them.
So the concefrned buyer must bear the terrible burden of having to check the delivery estimate as well as the business seller address. If people won't do this, what are the chances of the resentment being as widespread as some claim?
02-08-2019 8:48 AM
@lupo-store wrote:I can assure you i am sitting here in sunny Northants 🙂
That neg FB will be removed. Just awaiting my A/C manager to call me back. I just left it there so people can see how buyers are putting 2+2=5.
My guess is RM created this great system but the Chinese are saying stock location UK. This is in direct contravention of eBay rules. If something arrives with an RM48 sticker but also a CN22 customs declaration and arrived in the UK via the internation logistics centres RM own then thats a problem.
If you are a UK business and wish to reclaim the VAT then you can't if the stock source was outside the EU. If the Chinese offer you a VAT invoice and you reclaim the VAT then you are breaking the law.
They are lying to RM and misusing the system. The simple solution would be for RM to provide a list of all sellers on this programme to eBay and they can check if the location is China. If not then they are breaking eBay rules and should be reprimanded.
I have already reported this to senior eBay management I know at HQ yesterday.
The ones who don't have the items in the UK when the buyer buys are abusing the Royal Mail system, but it is hard to believe that Royal Mail have any means of telling them apart from those legitimately using the programme for articles declared as being in China. Some of those who resent Chinese sellers (in general, I think) make a claim which may be fanciful that dropshipping is against recent British date protection law. I don't doubt, though, that Royal Mail putting the finger on all those in the programme would be.
I can't see anyone getting into trouble for submitting in his VAT returns an outgoing on something he was told was supplied from within the UK, and has no sure means of knowing wasn't. As to the Chinese export form, I have had packages with those take twenty hours from purchase to delivery in small-town Scotland, and not a thing to indicate its travels if it had taken three or four days. Some of them are sticking those on everything they packl, no matter whether it will go in their bins in China or a pallet to their UK fulfilment service.
Some are abusing a service, just as some abuse knives, mail-merge software and lockpicks - and as you are abusing the board by advertising your stock here. Possibly none of those are on a scale that constitutes great harm. But eBay gets to decide.
02-08-2019 9:21 AM
Yes the advert was an error. It was early in the morning and I thought I was doing the other person a favour. It takes me a couple of hours to get into gear!
I have a Skype conferenece call with some senior RM executives at 10am. They are worried about the situation. Also when the Director or Parcels (Adrian Baker) is back from holiday he is linking in with me to look into this.
I would like to get this resolved for the good of the marketplace. I do believe that the marketplace has been hit by this and many buyers and sellers are being adversely affected and leaving.
02-08-2019 12:28 PM
@lupo-store wrote:Yes the advert was an error. It was early in the morning and I thought I was doing the other person a favour. It takes me a couple of hours to get into gear!
I have a Skype conferenece call with some senior RM executives at 10am. They are worried about the situation. Also when the Director or Parcels (Adrian Baker) is back from holiday he is linking in with me to look into this.
I would like to get this resolved for the good of the marketplace. I do believe that the marketplace has been hit by this and many buyers and sellers are being adversely affected and leaving.
Not too early, I trust?
I suppose Royal Mail might make it a condition of the service that eBay items are only purchased directly from China, and attach a label identifying their own department in case a buyer wants to complain. But they would have to be convinced that it is in their own interests to do so, and deny the service to offenders. I don't see any way they could identify the declared item location on their own, or even, as things stand, whether it was an eBay purchase. The crooks among the Chinese (bringing them into line with the rest of the world) could easily create a new e-commerce site with no item location policy to falsely label packages with,
02-08-2019 12:40 PM
'The crooks among the Chinese (bringing them into line with the rest of the world) could easily create a new e-commerce site with no item location policy to falsely label packages with'
They have been doing that for years, try returning your 'Manchester' based item when it's delivered faulty.
The seller will do all they can to convince you to keep the item before giving you a refund, as they know returning it to a relabelling station in Manchester isn't in their interests.
Here's a top tip, when you get a tracking number, use this site: http://parcelsapp.com/en
It gives a much more detailed breakdown of the packages journey.
02-08-2019 12:59 PM
Royal Mail were very interested in this issue and worried by the size of it.
It appears my previous assumption was incorrect. Pro Shipping does not put on RM48 stickers (I was misinformed by somone at RM).
It appears there are a few logistics companies who receive the orders from China, stick on the RM48 label and put it into the postal system.
I asked the following:
If an item is labelled with RM48 but also a CN22 customer declaration can't RM surcharge the company as a deterrant?
Can't RM work with eBay to identify all the sellers showing other courier - 3 day economy, but are in fact using RM48?
02-08-2019 1:44 PM
@r3n3g4d3m4st3r wrote:'The crooks among the Chinese (bringing them into line with the rest of the world) could easily create a new e-commerce site with no item location policy to falsely label packages with'
They have been doing that for years, try returning your 'Manchester' based item when it's delivered faulty.
The seller will do all they can to convince you to keep the item before giving you a refund, as they know returning it to a relabelling station in Manchester isn't in their interests.
Here's a top tip, when you get a tracking number, use this site: http://parcelsapp.com/en
It gives a much more detailed breakdown of the packages journey.
You sare talking about something quite different. What I meant is that if packages reach Royal Mail labelled as having been purchased through No-rules E-Commerce Limited, how would Royal Mail know that they had in fact been purchased tthrough eBay?
Should you get a package that doesn't really come from Manchester, and it merits a return at the seller's expense, it doesn't matter what he says to a buyer who knows the MB Policy and will settle for nothing less than his rights.
02-08-2019 6:06 PM
03-08-2019 8:25 AM
You have a grievance about fees too? You can indeed tell the seller's business address, as usuall gets mentioned in the early stages of threads like these. But it isn't a polcy violation, any more than having the epicanthic fold in the eyelid is.
08-08-2019 8:28 PM
Haven't orered any more recently unless I know it's coming from the UK, so no more reports recently.