Has anyone seen that private sellers are seeing "it is now free to sell" excludes motors

[notstopbuying]

Wow, if all private sellers can list and sell with no fees that is going to change the whole site. 

It's been reported over on the private sellers forums and via other places too

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[dch2112011]

Not sure I totally agree with you on multiple identical items - a private seller selling multiple quantities of the same new items  from one listing is really stretching the imagination as to how they would be unwanted personal items.

One listing comprising 6 dining chairs sold as a set-yes- but one listing with 6 used chairs in stock all identical, same photos  takes some belief because six identical used items would probably have different signs of wear, damage, stains etc

A private seller racking up repeat orders for 'new' items from one listing is likely to be selling stock purchased for resale.

Two identical monitors used are only identical in manufacture when new if bought at the same time from the same batch - again it is likely they would be slightly different condition and would be likely to sell seperately or together , it would be unlikely to be one listing with a quantity 2 so when one sells the same identical monitor would be available -  2 new monitors maybe  - the seller would be foolish to list 2 used monitors with the exact same photos and description and price - the comeback could be costly.

So I tend to agree with dwtrading - private sellers selling multiple quantities of  the same product should not be necessary - in fact I would go further and suggest private sellers should not be selling new items - maybe  'unused' but not new

[therenewalworkshopltd]

I don't disagree with you, when your talking about new items.  Yes, someone who is selling 50 brand new toasters is not making a private sale.  But the fact that a prior poster just wanted a complete ban on being able to sell more than one item, makes no sense.  People do have more than one item in their homes and that was the point that I was making.  And what I chose was literally items I was looking at!  Nothing more than that.

I don't think that private sellers should be able to sell items as brand new.  As soon as an item is bought, it is no longer brand new.  So yes, like new/unused etc would be a good idea, but not BRAND NEW.

[theelench]

As a collector of vintage glass I can see one alcove with shelves with 4 pairs of vases, 1 pair of bowls and 1 pair of plates..  The mantelpiece has 1 pair of vases and a pair of candlesticks.  The other alcove 3 pairs of vases and 3 pairs of candlesticks.

Another cabinet has three different dressing table sets each with 7 pieces - bowls, candle holders, large tray, ring holder / pin dish.

Another cabinet with 4 pairs of vases.

And that's just part of my core collection along with other bowls and (mainly) vases.  The stuff I'm trying to downsize will mostly be one-of items but will also have part dressing table sets and part sets of tableware, never having found the missing pieces.  

Not everyone is /was buying to trade.  Much of what I'm trying to sell was bought, sometimes years apart, in the hope of finding the rest of the set which in the decades before on-line auction sites was very often incredibly difficult to do, sometimes impossible.  Their will be thousands of collectors in the same boat as I am, with literally hundreds of items bought in the hope that was never fulfilled.

[kempseykate]

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@therenewalworkshopltd wrote:

Oh don't be silly.  You seriously cannot look around your home and see that you have more than one specific item?

Where I'm sitting at my computer desk currently, I have two identical monitors.

I have two identical phones.  I even have two identical chairs!

So by your logic, I wouldn't be allowed to sell both of each item.  How unfair is that?

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But the monitors and the chairs are both presumably used, so you would need 2 listings for each item because of the difference in condition. Unless you are the sort of seller who just puts'good used condition' . I may be too fussy, but I would have to put that chair one has a couple of marks on the back, and chair two has a dodgy arm, with the correct pictures for each item.

[dwtrading2015]

Ahhh you would be listing in the collectors area, and as I said that would have a blanket fee for both private and business because it is easy to buy collections for individual items and end up with multiples of other items from multiple collections.

As for things like ornaments, are they identical as in factory produced identicle?  Even in the collectors area, different item condition, slight differences in hand crafted items can result in individual listings. 

No system is going to be perfect, but as a rule of thumb for private listings a limit of quantity of one would suite most genuie private sellers.

There is though one smal isue.  It can be argued you collected multiple identical items and are de facto a business in clearing out the stock.  It is not the case that a business is obliged to restock.

As for new items, they should remain in my eBay system to alow sale of unwanted gifts.  But the bot will keep an eye on the proportion of new items being sold.

[therenewalworkshopltd]

The point that was being made, was not whether or not they should be sold as individual listings, but that people DO actually have more than one of some items within the home.

I literally chose, what was right in front of my nose.  Nothing more than than.

[mrob7487]

I've tried to sign up to Vinted Pro too and also encountered the same issue, not recognising my UTR. It's a problem that seems to be fairly widespread as I came across a Reddit thread about the same thing.

[dwtrading2015]

For you then, the 1 item rule would be an irritation you would work around with seperate listings.  But you would be very rare.

[technthread]

It has done my head in today I went on Reddit too 😂. I've messaged them and 3 hours later no reply. They will be swamped.

I have been thinking about the eBay fees. eBay enticed some private sellers to declare as a business with the 6 months free shop and zero selling fees until 31st December. In hindsight it makes sense now to capture them early knowing free fees for private sellers would soon follow. 

It makes me wonder whether there will be adjustments to business seller fees next year when those new business sellers have to start paying fees that they won't like or eBay see too many existing business accounts cancelling shops. Is it crazy to think business seller fees will be free next year? I thought yes, but if the longer term strategy is to make promoted listing fees so essential that everyone will need to use them maybe that could be the move.

[therenewalworkshopltd]

No, for the last time, I am not that unique in this world, that I have more than one of certain items.

Just look around your home, I guarantee you,  there is most definately more than one item of certain things.

So no, not very rare at all.  If that was the case, then I would not be able to find three different things in front of me within seconds.

So essentially what you are suggesting, is that any person who has more than one item to sell, gets irritated because of a stupid rule that doesn't allow them to sell more than one.

When the actual issue, is business sellers, selling multiple brand new items.  You are causing a bigger problem by going that route, why can you not see that?

[dch2112011]

I have two identical socks - hang on one has a hole in it ! Does that count ?

[british-ceramics-and-paintings]

Ebay could have just gone for 5% final value fees across the board, a fair playing field for all sellers regardless of being a business or private seller.

A back to basics approach that would have encouraged a wide variety of sellers. Prices would have come down as well which would have generated more sales.

I genuinely don't see how the changes announced yesterday are going to work financially for Ebay.

[technthread]

Yeah it's like they are undervaluing their own product like a market newbie trying to muscle in, rather than acting like the giant they are. The whole thing is weird. 

[dch2112011]

Your vintage glass collection

Yes but with 4 pairs of vases for example as a collector are the pairs all identical ? If not you would not be using one listing with 8  used identical vases which as one is bought another one is available, I would imagine you would have 4 or 8 listings especially with used items   either 'pair of vases' or  1 x individual vase ?  each photographed seperately ? 

[dch2112011]

5% would be more than private sellers were paying with the normal 80% discount - could be interesting ? 

I wonder how much ebay's revenue comes from advertising these days - more listings, more page views, higher ad costs and  more room for advertising maybe ?  

[therenewalworkshopltd]

Now I remember why I avoid engaging with you.

#ignore

[dch2112011]

What about my socks ?

[dwtrading2015]

"When the actual issue, is business sellers, selling multiple brand new items." 

But that's what defines a business and that's why we have business fees.

Maybe you are a horder who buys everything in duplicate or triplicte.  But for the vast majority of private listings, there is only one singular item.  If they are a set, a set of forks, you have one listing with a set of forks.

I understand you want to make some clever clever argument voiding the point being made that private listings are almost entirely single items thereby it would be appropriate to identify potential business listings masquading by using the multiple listings  aproach.  But I think you are geting feedback from other people now that you're some way short of the slam dunk you seek.  Perhaps eBay, with a properly moderated multiple listing poicy is not for you.  Try vinted - oh wait, you can't.  They have a very, very, VERY strict mulitple listing policy already.   It is one chair per listing, or a set of chairs in one listing.

[1956glyn]

You need a new pair 😂

[vintagechinashop]

No fees for business sellers now there's a thing.   That's got to make someone at eBay squirm. Close the door and turn out the lights when you leave 

seriously it's going to make business sellers think seriously about their next move