GPSR Compliance

[bojangled]

This is as clear as mud to me. Been to the gov. advice website and various others.
How does a 1972 poster fit in to this process?

It's not an exempt category. 

Advise buyers this item is for viewing only ? 

My initial reaction, sadly, to to switch EU and NI off. 
Jo

[therenewalworkshopltd]

In all honesty, if you have read the thread, you know as much as I do.

I think the biggest problem with this at the moment, is nobody really knows how it's all going to work.

[ojewellery]

I'm hoping by Friday we'll have a clearer idea and be able to get some form of communication out of eBay on this to clarify.

I'm going to go to the 'regulatory changes and how they impact your eBay business ' session at the open - I'm sure a fair few others will be there wanting the same answers.   If you're going to the open and click on that session (regardless of whether you're planning to go to it or not) there's a survey to fill in - its annonymous with the option to add your email address at the end.  The first few questions were all about EPR (Extended Producer Responsibilities) but there was a free text field that I put in my questions about GPSR - maybe if a few people do the same the right people will see more info is required.

I'm trying to see who the presenter is, if I can work it out, I'll try the business card link on the open ap and if they accept ping them a link to this thread to see if they'll be covering our answers - or can contribute directly here.

[lens-sage]

"Has there been communication from Ebay that I may have missed? "

I've seen ebay people cite article 51 but never elaborate on it until now.

It's a bit of a mess at the moment. There's no way on earth ebay is going to be able to check everyone's listings to see if they have a disclaimer about when the product was first available, which suggests to me that if the CS agent who said it was telling the truth, then automated listing removals will be stopped, at least in certain scenarios. 

For ebay to pull a listing TODAY for not complying with the GPSR, that comes into effect in December, they are acting in direct contradiction of article 51 of the GPSR! Anything currently listed and available to the EU is inherently NOT in violation of GPSR. It makes absolutely zero sense.

Anything currently on sale on ebay this minute is covered by article 51. It's like there's no cohesive approach to any of this.

"How will this be policed so to speak when the parcel arrives at EEA&NI customs?"

Well if the older GPSD is anything to go by, there will be no policing. That's probably whey there's such an emphasis on having the sellers add the relevant information so that it's available at the point of sale. If you don't let people list anything without complying, then it can be said that all reasonable measures have been taken.

I can't imagine for a second that any country is going to have the sheer resources to police the GPSR compliance of every product coming in on an individual basis.

"I appreciate we as sellers may keep the 'platfrom' happy but its the customs that have the final say or will the customs see it as the 'platforms' policing means its OK? or is it going to be a wait and see period after December 13th?"

This is the only way I can see it being plausible. There's literally no other way. Which again, is probably why so much importance is being put on adding the information to listings.


And again, the previous GPSD was not policed in any meaningful way. The act of putting a product on the market in itself was considered a declaration that the product had been assessed and deemed to comply with the requirements.

The difference with GPSR is that it demands some actual substance on behalf of the seller to prove the product is compliant. 

But the overarching theme here is that no one person seems to fully understand the situation, including ebay.

Technically, anything on sale to the EU as of today should be exempt, assuming it's compliant with the older GPSD. But whether we will be given the opportunity to take advantage of this remains to be seen. 

It seems unthinkable that someone selling a vintage 1970s train set, for example, would not be exempt. But until ebay give crystal clear communication on how they intend to allow people to implement Article 51, nothing would surprise me.

[bzmotman]

Policing & Customs - My view is that it will be handled the same as the German Packaging Act. All the policing is done by Ebay - no LUCID number = no visibility on Ebay.DE  If this is correct then we need Ebay to get this right.

I did a test listing in the Antiques category where everything should automatically be exempt, assuming 100+ years old, but Ebay were still asking for the GPSR info. I can understand that there can be uncertainy as to what qualifies as exempt as a collectable but antiques is black & white.

I have still not seen anything about GPSR on my private account so is going to apply to that or not.

I have also been intermittently following a similar thread on Ebay DE.

On that thread the Ebay rep posted this

In our understanding, this means, for example, that the additional information required by GPSR does not have to be added to offers to most consumer products, which are before the 13th December 2024 sold in the EU and fully comply with the General Product Safety Directive.

For example, if you sell a used item that complies with the policy and before 13. December 2024 was sold in the EU, you do not need GPSR-related information in your offerings (e.g. B. specify the manufacturer, responsible person in the EU). However, the offers may be subject to information obligations under other regulations.

But a couple of days later this appears

Question-..... I sell second-hand clothing and this is what it can be assumed that everything I sell was sold in the EU for another 1-2 years before 13.12.24. Will it be possible to specify it correspondingly, e.g. "not required".....

Reply-To this end, I can tell you that the introduction of such a possibility is not currently planned and that the wish has been passed on again.

 So it appears that Ebay understand there is no need to enter the info for pre Dec 13th 2024 items but are going to do nothing to facilitate sellers using that legitimate exemption.  - unbelieveable.

[wyntersemporium]

I've had goods from the day I started as a seller on eBay that was 2013. Would say when the listing started etc 

[wyntersemporium]

I've just been on gov. Uk was looking for something else.

spotted this 

uk-carrier-scheme 

not sure if it applies to us??

[giftgrab]

Hi there

thanks for the great post. article 51 I believed was the date the manufacturer placed the product on the market and not the date we place it on the market? So if the product was available to us prior to the Dec 13th then is it exempt?

I was also curious as to whether there has been any update as to if we exclude NI/EU are our listings exempt from being pulled up?

thanks

[moldosgifts]

Ive been adding slowly manufacturer details , as the importer i add myself on most of my products.

Just had the new saftey documents notice today.

Not sure what i can do for an iron on patch. Carfull the iron is hot ?

[goodfella66]

Just had another email from Ebay about GPSR. No mention of any exemptions and, if anything, doubling down on the importance of filling in the "Item Disclosures" section. Even a link to a list of "responsible persons". 

[qualitycardsandgifts]

I've decided it's easier to block Europe and NI, and when I checked on Youtube how to do this, someone had a video showing how to do this.    However,  I can't find Shipping Preferences in my account settings, does anyone know where to find it please.    

[555njp]

Either the advice above regarding exemptions (the theory that everything available today is exempt) is incorrect, or eBay CS have got this all wrong?

We had an email/message this morning from eBay saying we now need to start to comply.

The key bit of the communication is in Bold below (apologies for the formatting, just copied and pasted):

Overview of the General Product Safety Regulation
As a reminder, the GPSR aims to ensure the sale of safe products to buyers in the European Union (EU) and Northern Ireland, and introduces specific safety-related information that all businesses must provide when selling to buyers in these markets.
This means that if you’re a business seller listing new and second-hand products covered by the GPSR in the EU and Northern Ireland, you must include the following information in applicable listings:
• • When applicable, product safety and compliance information like safety warnings, labels, and product manuals in the local language
To learn more about the GPSR and the products that are excluded, visit our General Product Safety Regulation page.

[goodfella66]

I think that the problem is, we have to follow Ebay's rules. Regardless of the fact of possible exemptions, Ebay insist that the "Item Disclosures" section is filled in, which doesn't recognise any exemptions. What will happens if the item disclosures aren't filled in...well, with nearly 5000 items listed, I'm reluctant to find out. I will just block EU & NI sales nearer the time.

[totally_toytastic]

We've been told by ebay we can switch off options for delivery to the EU and NI...but we've still had an item hidden! We're totally confused! 

Ebays own help page says:

Do the EU regulations on market surveillance together with the guidelines for its practical implementation apply in the UK?

These regulations and guidelines do not apply to products placed only in Great Britain (England, Wales and Scotland). These will however apply to Northern Ireland pursuant to the Northern Ireland Protocol.

[555njp]

Same here, it's way too much hassle for a handful of sales.....

[billythecardy]

I am going to eBay Open tomorrow and will TRY and get some clarity on this.  We really should not all be flailing in the dark on something this important. 

[555njp]

To simplify this, it would help if eBay added a GB only option in the template.
Or at least some way of easily deselecting all GPSR affected countries.

[margarita1611-2008]

I selling handmade head wear. All made by me. So who is responsible for these products? I use knitting yarns and fabrics from suppliers.

[therenewalworkshopltd]

It's actually really easy to exclude the countries effected.

It's basically two boxes, Europe and NI that you need to exclude.

Have you actually looked at your postage policies?

[moldosgifts]

Simply, you are the responsible person.

[billythecardy]

I am also going to that so maybe we can gang up on them.  If I see you I'll say hello.  I also have a 1:1 booked and this will be one of the main topics.