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This is as clear as mud to me. Been to the gov. advice website and various others.
How does a 1972 poster fit in to this process?

It's not an exempt category. 


Advise buyers this item is for viewing only ? 

My initial reaction, sadly, to to switch EU and NI off. 
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The reason those categories aren't covered by the legislation is that they are already covered in early similar specific legislation. Anyone selling items in those categories should already follow those regulations. 

If a parcel is checked you'd have to prove a book was either antique (over 100 years old) or collectable.

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Good points, thanks. Proving that an item is collectable is a bit nefarious. I guess you'd have to steer away from mass market paperbacks and the like, but I already do since the mega sellers made it untenable.

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First editions of well-known and 'desirable' authors, signed copies or those with bookplates or inscriptions connecting them with someone well known would, I am sure, fall within the 'collectable' definition. Mass market pbks retailing at £5 or so definitely not; a mint condition 1950s Penguin might well be. It's all rather subjective, as you know.

In reality, I rather doubt that the first target of the market surveillance authorities will be small packages of books. They surely have bigger fish to fry. If you're exporting tens of thousands of old airport blockbusters into the EU then maybe it would be a concern, but I suspect that isn't your core business.

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@asd429 wrote:

I'm really completely confused by all this. The exempt categories include food, alcohol, medicines, diet supplements etc.  which can all pose safety dangers. 


This is because food, medicines, medical and veterinary supplies, pesticides, living plants, equipment on which consumers travel "within the context of a transport service" and aircraft are specifically excluded from the GPSR in recitals 10 through 17.

 

 


@asd429 wrote:

As an aside, would it be as simple as a book seller to move all listings over to Antiquarian/Collectable?


Recital 18 contains exemptions for antiques. The wording of that recital is very clumsy; it states:

 

"Antiques, such as works of art or collectors’ items...

 

...When assessing whether a product is an antique, such as a work of art or a collector’s item, Annex IX to Council Directive 2006/112/EC could be taken into account."

 

There are two interpretations of the above. The one eBay has taken is that antiques, works of art and collectors' items are three distinct categories of items that are excluded from the scope of the GPSRs. However, the actual wording suggests only items that are antiques - i.e. items that are more than 100 years' old - are excluded. Annex IX to Council Directive 2006/112/EC (the EU VAT Directive) has separate definitions for all three but the way I'm reading the GPSR only antiques are exempt.

Regardless how you interpret it eBay's exclusion list is clearly far too inclusive to be correct. Even if you decide that "collectors' items" are exempt Annex IX's definition of collectors' items is:

 

"(1) Postage or revenue stamps, postmarks, first-day covers, pre-stamped stationery and the like, used, or if unused not current and not intended to be current (CN code 9704 00 00);

 

(2) collections and collectors' pieces of zoological, botanical, mineralogical, anatomical, historical, archaeological, palaeontological, ethnographic or numismatic interest (CN code 9705 00 00)."

 

So, unless you would be entering one of those two commodity code headings on the customs declaration the item would definitely not be exempt from the scope of the GPSR. To try and find some clarification on which interpretation is correct I found this summary of the GPSR published by the EU Commission. It only states that antiques are exempt whilst making no mention of works of art nor collectors' items.

 

Give me ambiguity or give me something else.
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There's another Department of Business and Trade briefing on MS Teams tomorrow (Friday 20 Dec) at 10am. Might be worth listening to and you can ask questions on the side panel.

 

The link I received to access this online event was:

great.gov.uk/export-academy/events/regulatory-frameworks-including-gpsr-and-ce-marking-what-you-need-to-know-20-december-2024/

Click the “Join” button shortly before the session is due to start. 

 

However, you do have to register beforehand, as I recall.

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This was the clearest info ive seen so far on gpsr, NOTE: this refers directly to those selling used items. They have spoken to an ebay rep recently and its fairly clear. I would imagine this applies equally to products produced before last Friday used or new?. Again its all opinion but this vid will help some sleep better.

 

YouTube / watch?v=cA-u70G5Jss

 

 

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Yes, I have tried to complete these fields as much as possible for some brands for which, I know the information.  I believe this is only for items newly listed for sale from the 13th of December 2024 when the GPSR  requirements became active.  Although I have tried to complete as much information as possible on existing listings, I am still unsure if it's enough to satisfy eBay requirements for EU and NI.  I'm not sure if I have to block EU and NI for existing listings that were for sale before 13.12.2024 and I am waiting on advice from eBay.

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I think it may be because they stuck a border between UK and NI down the middle of the North Sea.  But I'm not sure about any of the politics of it all and only interested in being compliant so I can have some reasonable kind of income

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@crg_music wrote:

This was the clearest info ive seen so far on gpsr, NOTE: this refers directly to those selling used items. They have spoken to an ebay rep recently and its fairly clear.

 

 


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As has been mentioned earlier in this thread, there are a number of errors in that video.  

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@trafton.-47 wrote:

There's another Department of Business and Trade briefing on MS Teams tomorrow (Friday 20 Dec) at 10am. Might be worth listening to and you can ask questions on the side panel.

 

The link I received to access this online event was:

great.gov.uk/export-academy/events/regulatory-frameworks-including-gpsr-and-ce-marking-what-you-need-to-know-20-december-2024/

Click the “Join” button shortly before the session is due to start. 

 

However, you do have to register beforehand, as I recall.


You need to register then "book" any events you are interested in. Once you have booked an event you don't have to watch it live - you can watch a recording after the broadcast.

 

What I don't understand is why the Department for Business & Trade has made accessing this information so awkward. Why couldn't they just release the recordings and make them available to anyone who wants to watch them without requiring registration, "booking" a slot etc?

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"Regardless how you interpret it eBay's exclusion list is clearly far too inclusive to be correct."

 

Completely agree but does anyone know how to apply to get other categories added to it?

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Totally agree about making it harder to access than it should have been (maybe one of us can make a comment to that effect tomorrow). They should have been screaming this stuff from the rooftops 6 months ago, rather than waiting until just before, and now just beyond, the deadline. But where we are.

 

Good point about it being available afterwards - forgot to mention that. 

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You'll have to forgive me for skipping the previous 48 pages. Figured nobody knew anything 6 months ago.

 

I'll have a read back

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I'm down with totally ignoring it personally so will go with what they say till someone else convinces me with a better idea. 

I think sometimes playing it by ear is the only way to go especially when nobody really knows, thats me and thats how I live day to day but I appreciate some people do need absolute certainty.

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ebay and changes always make me nervous and GPSR is no different. I've been revising listings today and notice ebay has added

 

Item disclosures

Provide more details about your item’s safety and quality standards if you post to buyers in the EU/UK.

There are three requirements - Product Manufacturer/Product Documents/Product Safety Information (although some of the listings are only showing one of these three requirements so I guess this update to the listing page isn't working properly yet). All of the requirement are toggled to off at the moment. I just want to check that with regards to 'if you post to buyers in the EU/UK' the UK bit just refers to NI. I've (sadly)

excluded NI from postage since early December.  I don't want to log on and find ebay has removed all my listings because of this.

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They must surely mean EU/NI not EU/UK - the latter doesn't make sense at all to me.

 

New books are an inherently safe product unless you choose to eat them, which perhaps is a risk for babies' board books that may be licked or chewed. Children's books and babies' books may contain fabrics (fire risk etc) tactile or pop-up elements, metals or plastics (choking hazards and toxicity risks). When does a book with add-ons reclassify itself as a toy?

 

Otherwise, risk assessment should be relatively straightforward even for what the EU defines as a 'manufacturer' (in normal terminology, a 'publisher'). I'm just about to embark on that process now. The technical file for each book will be compiled from information supplied by the printer, so pretty much a copy and paste job.

 

Secondhand books, or even new books that have been sitting in the warehouse for 20 years or so, are a lot more problematic, as those printers' records - even the printers themselves - may no longer exist. The same will be the true for other products that are 'new' (ie not previously sold) but that are several years old.

 

I think the pragmatic approach is to do the best you can with the information available what you can glean from the item and its packaging, keep good records and show you've done your due diligence on keeping unsafe items out of the reach of consumers. Hopefully, we all do that anyway, but up till now without so much evidence-collection and record-keeping.

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From what I've been reading it should be EU/NI, but this is ebay and saying EU/UK made me wonder. 

I'm UK only and will watch how GPSR develops for any future consideration into EU selling.

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@bzmotman wrote:

"Regardless how you interpret it eBay's exclusion list is clearly far too inclusive to be correct."

 

Completely agree but does anyone know how to apply to get other categories added to it?


There is no application process; eBay have added categories based on their interpretation of the GPSR. It's an interpretation I believe to be partly incorrect.

 

However, for whatever reason eBay are seemingly not bothering with any sort of compliance checks at all at the moment. In a new incognito browsing window I set the delivery postcode to a Northern Ireland one, set the search filter to business sellers only then searched for a few items that definitely fall under the remit of the GPSR and that would typically be delivered by Royal Mail. The number of results returned for every search did drop significantly but this appears to be due to sellers having NI excluded as a shipping location rather than any GPSR-related hiding by eBay. For example, I found lots of toys with no manufacturer, brand or MPN entered in the item specifics and no GPSR-specific fields completed either.

 

It does make me wonder whether the "I certify that all my selling activities will comply with all EU laws and regulations" disclaimer that eBay has tacked on to the end of sellers' listings is their way of trying to wash their hands of the whole thing.

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"I certify that all my selling activities will comply with all EU laws and regulations"

 

I said that when it first appeared on our listings - ebays efforts in assisting are severely barren to say the least - other platforms have been very helpful and proactive, and they haven't charged a 'Regulatory fee' for  making the effort a joint venture of cooperation.

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