Buyer claims to not received the item just to get a refund

So recently I sold 2 items to one buyer

 

The buyer in question is a very demanding woman. I say this because the 2 items, the postage and cost of the item was a total of just under £7 (cost of item and postage).

 

The person had asked for a total invoice, which I sent and then demand a reduced postage fee. The cost of the item was being sent to them via second class post.

 

When I posted the listings I knew I undercharged on the listing for the total for postage of what it would cost to send via second class. I told the buyer (being nice etc) that I would upgrade it to first class, just to be nice.

 

This person got rude and demanded a refund on the postage because SHE (yes it was a woman because I have the name of the person when the item sold) claimed I overcharged her. I didn't. I know because the total of the postage of both item she bought costed £4.99 and she paid £4.05.

 

I know she has received the item but she claims she never recieved it, even tho she paid for 2nd class postage and I was posting from London (where I live and work) to where she lives in Scotland.

 

She filed for a refund for the entire item. I have contacted the buyer but they have not and have refused to respond to my messages.

 

Anyone ever had this done to them and could advice on what to do? Especially how to contact ebay with asking this person to respond.

 

I know when I posted the item to this woman I told her I cannot refund her as the total cost of both items she bought was £4.99 and she paid £4.05. She clearly didn't like this as she filed for refund for the entire item and kept it and asked for refund.

 

I know she should have received it as I had sent another item (from a different sale) to another buyer the same day I sent hers abd both items was via second class post and the item from the second sale was received perfectly fine without any problems

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Yea I responded by messaging her in private but shes not responded to my messages.

 

I have receipt of postage anyway. I'm going to figure out how to contact ebay directly anyway.

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You can use this link to contact eBay:

 

https://www.ebay.co.uk/help/eua?id=5275&mkevt=1&mkpid

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@sml192 has given you the reason why the buyer has only raised one INR and that is that they may not realise that they need to open separate claims for each item given that they paid for them together.

This frequently happens to me.  Typically, there will be two or three items on an order - but the buyer raises an INR for only one of them.  To the buyer, the logic is that they ordered the items together, they expect them to be despatched in one parcel, so it doesn't occur to them to open an INR for every item on the order.

Your buyer is obviously a person that thinks everyone is out to cheat them and should be added to your BBL asap - but I don't think their action is anything to do with the squabble over postage.  IMHO, you're overthinking this.

The good news is that, if the buyer has raised one INR, you only have to refund the item that's the subject of the INR.  Of course, when the buyer gets the refund for one item, they may strike back and ask why both haven't been refunded.  In this case, just tell the buyer to raise another INR.

When this happens to me, I only refund the item that's subject to the INR, never the whole order.

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I know where you are coming from. I only over think that it is over the postage because

 

1) when the person asked for the "final invoice" for both items that ended within minutes of each other, I gave them that final invoice so I thought nothing of it besides to put both items into the same package/parcel for reasons one 1) it would reduce the amount of packages I need to buy to out the items into the package 2) it should reduce the cost (which I understand where the buyer was coming from when she demanded and complained that they were not cheaper)

 

2) The thing with my sales was that when I was doing the listing for all my items, ebay (as you prob know) gives an "estimate" of what the cost of the postage should be, and ebay estimated the cost of the postage for the second class for both items (combined according to ebay and post office) was about £5.50 because of the item and post office charges according to weight etc. My listings for both was listed to be way way below that ebay estimate of what I should charge for postage and what post office did actually charge me for both items. This person saved 94p.

 

3) I do think it was odd and I def think it was over the postage because she had asked for a final invoice and didn't like the fact that it was not cheaper postage, even despite me pointing out to her BEFORE I posted it was charged according to weight but the original listing was for standard 2nd class postage and I actually nicely OFFERED her to upgrade it to 1st class postage at no extra charge which she rejected and her exact words was "NO, I reject that offer I want the original postage that I paid for and then a refund of the postage because you OVERCHARGED ME", which I didn't actually she paid £4.05 and the final postage cost was £4.99.

 

4) I live in London and she lives in scotland. Literally the top end of Scotland. I say this because she paid and demanded I post via the 2nd class post she paid and then claimed a refund for the postage amount. But ebay have suspended the entire funds from both items she bought plus postage. On the refund forms she had filed for refund 2 days after I had marked it posted.

 

5) I know you all say it is nothing to do with the postage but it does look like it was because the other item is MARKED as recieved and the refund amount was for the ENTIRE POSTAGE of £4.05 but not only that when I reached out to her to ask her to clarify whether it was over the postage, she has no response, she does not communicate, literally filed for refund 2 days AFTER it was marked as posted. Why mark one item as posted when she was given the entire invoice for both items. I can see it on the sales receipt.

Now I rarely use ebay. I don't buy things I am not going to use regularly. I live in London, my place is not massive its literally small because its London so I barely have anything to sell as I live quite minimalist due to the size of my place and the last time I sold anything was about 6 years ago and I remember it, I had sold an old ipad and the buyer had a slight issue with the sound and pressed the refund button without contacting me first and I also know they did not read the listing properly. I know because I stated that ipad has applecare which means if theres a fault with the ipad, you can go into apple and they will sort it out. I remember it because I remember messaging the buyer directly, a little annoyed with it, asking why they didn't talk to me first before pressing that refund button or why they didn't go into Apple first or read the listing that stated that there was applecare (which is literally apple insurance thing) and I told them to go apple first because I was pretty sure they would deal with it and swap it free of charge under the applecare warranty. That buyer, yes he had pressed the refund button without communicated but actually communicated with me when I messaged them directly to try resolve the issue before I pressed the refund button and it got resolved without having to do a refund.

 

Thats why its a little odd that yes the buyer does NOT have to respond to me. They have the right to request a refund without talking to the seller but you would think that if after you (the buyer) pressed the refund button, and the seller reaches out, you would respond to see if you can resolve etc. Last time I sold something and this happened most of the time the buyers (that I've dealt with) do respond to try resolve before the refund is given.

 

6) I can't refund the amount for that item/sale because the only option available that I can see is to refund the ENTIRE ORDER and its postage, for both sale items but only one item was mark as not received. That is the only option available. I been playing with that order - since that refund request - for a few days now, to see where it is, but it is the ONLY option there isn't a way to even partially refund the specific item it is THE ONLY option to refund the entire order. Ebay has withheld the ENTIRE AMOUNT of the whole order and has only released a few pennies of the order into my bank account and I know because thats what it says on the order and not only that, because the last time I used ebay to sell anything was before Ebay changed and removed allowing payments from buyers to be paid directly to the sellers paypal account, so when I put these 3 orders up for sale, I also had to update alot of stuff on my account as I rarely use ebay and last time I used it was before covid.

 

Its all fair and well you all saying "refund the buyer you wont win". But how can I even do a partial refund when the refund on my end is literally for THE ENTIRE ORDER. I been looking and playing around with it for days looking at it, it doesn't even allow it. I have been trying to get the buyer to confirm what was received even to ask her to show or even describe the parcel and the refund amount requested is specifically the EXACT amount of the postage and the buyer does not communicate. I have figured out how to contact ebay anyway, and let them know I tried to contact the buyer to try resolve this as not only did she claim one item was not received but the specific amount is the postage amount and she does not respond when contacted and ebay has withheld the ENTIRE amount (for both sale) claiming thats the amount that would be returned to her if unresolved and the fact that yes I am communicate with her to show I have tried to communicate to try resolve and there is absolutely no way to even change that amount.

 

Besides this has now been resolved and I was definitely correct. It was all about the postage for this buyer. I know. Because one of my friend was at my house last night and I was explaining this to her and she is a more frequent ebay seller than me and showed me where to report the buyer because even she thinks I would win if I gave ebay all the evidence eg if ebay looked at my account and my messages BEFORE I posted to the buyer and then after.

 

As far as I and ebay was concerned, ebay went in my favour because I actually asked ebay 1) where they would like a photo of this receipt and 2) if the buyer claims and insist that I did not post the items then lets get the police involved and get the police to go to the post office and ask the post office to get the cctv footage me of me going in there, buying the package/parcel (for the item), putting BOTH items in there (because the buyer REQUESTED the final invoice before I posted so as far as I am concerned then yes because of this I posted them together) and then sending it. The minute this was offered on the table (I have NOTHING to hide), BAM the buyer cancelled the refund claiming both items have actually been received but they just wanted a refund on the postage.

 

I think they just don't want the hassle of wasting police time for this. Yes I can go to the post office to get the cctv footage myself but they wont really allow it unless it was physically requested by the police which also takes time and they have better things to do but hey, the minute this was offered .

 

So those of you saying and claiming to me that I should just refund it because "I won't win because ebay is quite strict and you will lose", thanks but no thanks, seems like I did win it and seems like ebay did agree with me. All it took was my friend's help to get what I wanted when I came on this forum, which was how to contact ebay to give them my evidence. Not sure how those of you that said that want to get out of that one quite frankly. If ebay is that strict then you would think that they would at least listen to both sides of the story before deciding, but if I had listened and done it you guys way then it sounds like ebay is EXTREMELY NARROWMINDED and would only listen to one side of the story. Funny how offering to get the cctv footage is what got the buyer to admit and back out of claiming for the refund!!!!

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I'm glad that you were able to resolve this successfully but the only reason you were able to is because the buyer backed down and closed the case.

 

EBay's rules are generally very rigid and the only way to win an 'Item Not Received' claim is proof of delivery or attempted delivery.   EBay will not accept proof of posting.

 

There is no way the police would get involved in a standard 'Item Not Received' claim.  This is a civil matter not a criminal one. 

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I know the police 100% wont get involved. But sometimes it works a treat if your instincts can spot the scams because sometimes the scammers will back down on that comment. I'm glad it's resolved.

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Hi, I don't usually get involved in discussions however yours caught my eye as I have found this to be a growing issue. I think some buyers see EBay as an easy scam and try this on a regular basis. I have had this happen to me a few years ago and I did go to the police as the item was worth several hundred pounds....EBay had to sort it when they were presented with a police incident number.

Nowadays I always use a tracked service to cover this. I still have issues with people disputing the cost of postage but quite honestly I think sometimes they need to look at the prices of posting an item to allow safe delivery. I think Amazon have a lot to answer for with free delivery and instant refund no matter what.

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I think that's the issue and difference between Amazon and eBay. Amazon sellers, some have their stuff stored in Amazon warehouse and gets packed there. EBay is literally people like you and me and sent from home etc.

 

Like you I've had someone who tried to do it to me years ago, but I got lucky that mine was over an iPad (this was years ago) so I could get the buyer to go Apple. Otherwise I'd have had to refund them for the purchase of their item and what they spent on the postage back to me. 

But the scammers does put you off selling stuff on eBay/amazon, especially if you're like me and you're just selling things once in a blue moon so that money is a lifeline when it's just one or two items once in a blue moon.

 

I don't mind a genuine problem with my sell items (like the iPad I sold on eBay a few years ago, which was why it rang alarm bells with this buy in my original post, and that buyer who bought my old iPad. The one who bought my old iPad actually wanted to resolve it even tho they did press that refund button without saying anything to me, but did try resolve, but this one I had, didn't even want to try resolve with communication, that's when my tone can change in my attempting to help resolve). But it still put you off using ebay/amazon to sell

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Yes! every time I send a few low price items with standard Royal Mail postage you can guarantee that someone (usually with an eastern european surname) will say they haven't received it.

Trouble is, on a low cost item I won't be able to sell it if I add signed for delivery charges as no one would bid on it.

 

Catch 22

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