A simple way to resolve the "private" business seller problem

A correctly registered business can obviously not compete with those using private accounts to avoid eBay fees.

With eBay seemingly taking no action on these "private" business sellers, genuine business sellers feel they have no option but to open a private account and also avoid eBay fees.
I am certain this is not what genuine business sellers want to do.
eBay would not last very long either if all business sellers did this.

Surely if eBay removed the item condition of "new" for private accounts, this would go a long way to resolving the problem.
Simply grey out "new" for private sellers when they list an item.
They could still use "new other" if they have new, unused & unwanted items.

Anyone who is selling new items is a business.
If they want to list new items on eBay, the only option should be to open a business account.

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There only ever used to be a seller commission at auction houses, then they started fleecing buyers too and now you'll often find an auction house charging a buyer nearly double the commission the seller pays.

 

eBay threw all that aside and only charged the seller, but the fees they now charge far outweigh many of the auction house seller fees.

 

Why do we have to pay an extra 2% in fees for an overseas sale, or have 10% charge on P&P ?

 

This is just eBay fleecing sellers for all they can get and treating us like a cash-cow, and in the past they got away with it and abused their position as the market leader. Now it has come back and bitten them in the backside and they are floundering around trying to keep up with free sites........and failing miserably.

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@santlache_sales wrote:

There only ever used to be a seller commission at auction houses, then they started fleecing buyers too and now you'll often find an auction house charging a buyer nearly double the commission the seller pays.

 

eBay threw all that aside and only charged the seller, but the fees they now charge far outweigh many of the auction house seller fees.

 

 


It's perfectly true that buyer commissions are now normal in "real" auction houses, but for Buy It Now items, that's a different matter.   Can you imagine the fuss if Asda or M&S started adding a 20% buyer's commission to the stated prices?  

 

They'd have the authorities down on them like a ton of bricks.

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Yep, they got too greedy, just look at the promoted listings fiasco:

 

Buyer runs a search, half of what they are looking for is deliberately hidden.

 

Ebay’s take: Buyer will only see listings that eBay makes most money from and so will have to buy that making eBay loads of money 😄

Real World: Buyer proper pee’d off they can’t find what they want and items they can actually find are overpriced to cover off PL fees and protect sellers margins 🤨

Outcome:

1/ Disgruntled buyer leaves site, goes elsewhere, never comes back. 🙁

2/ Sellers promote at ever higher rates desperately trying to attract the few remaining buyers. 🙁

3/ Prices have to increase because of fees so even less people buy. 🙁

4/ EBay’s profits fall even further as fewer transactions take place. 🙁

5/ Rather than admit the whole unfair playing field concept is serious flawed, eBay in its wisdom hides more listings so that only the most highly promoted, profitable items are visible in an attempt to regain shareholder value. 😮

6/ Remaining business sellers finally realise the site is no longer viable and leave. ☹️

7/ Remaining private sellers, whilst benefiting from zero fees are also not selling so leave. 🙁

8/ EBay gone (circa Qtr1 2026 at this rate). 😱


There used to be TV programme that sent a business expert into failing businesses and turned them around. I think eBay is a prime candidate for that help before it’s too late.

 

 

HAPPY NEW YEAR EVRYONE……..😁

 

 

 

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One online and B&M auction we use charges 25% + VAT buyer premium.

That adds 50% to the hammer price…!

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Good post.

 

You can see this, I can see this and so can thousands of other sellers.....

 

But eBay can't.

 

This is probably a classic case of someone high up in ebay making this decision, and although it has gone disasterously wrong, these people will never admit they were wrong and would clearly rather hang thousands of businesses out to dry than admit their error.

 

They know it's gone wrong, hence eBay rapidly reducing Private listings to 300 from 1,000 as they scramble around to try and arrest the flow of businesses leaving, or selling on a private account with no fees.

 

I've seen all the propaganda eBay released about how private sellers won't be competing with businesses, but surely someone high up must have seen this disaster coming.

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Someone high up must  have seen this disaster coming?  Yes, likely so.  And the smart ones would have negotiated golden parachutes, hedged stock options and other clever ideas.

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@santlache_sales wrote:

Good post.

 

You can see this, I can see this and so can thousands of other sellers.....

 

But eBay can't.

 

This is probably a classic case of someone high up in ebay making this decision, and although it has gone disasterously wrong, these people will never admit they were wrong and would clearly rather hang thousands of businesses out to dry than admit their error.

 

They know it's gone wrong, hence eBay rapidly reducing Private listings to 300 from 1,000 as they scramble around to try and arrest the flow of businesses leaving, or selling on a private account with no fees.

 

I've seen all the propaganda eBay released about how private sellers won't be competing with businesses, but surely someone high up must have seen this disaster coming.


I honestly don't know why they thought no fees was a good idea?! 

 

Are they really finding people are spending their sales proceeds on eBay to make up for the massive drop in fees they have had? 

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Are they really finding people are spending their sales proceeds on eBay to make up for the massive drop in fees they have had? 

 

It would appear not as they have sent out a discount offer to private sellers which can only be used if they use their ebay balance to make the purchase. ebay hasn't made this clear up front and buyers are finding out at the point of purchase. So unhappy buyers and abandoned sales. Happy new year.

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Not a good comparison....

 

ASDA and M&S have already added their 20-30% mark-up on the ticket price you see, that is their profit. They are also high street stores with face to face dealings with customers selling new items, so a totally different selling market to an auction house.

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I've been  on ebay for 24 years now. Not long after that I opened my own website. Ebay sales increased year by year until the last three when the sales declined by around 25% each year. In the same period, my website has gone from strength to strength so it isn't as if there is no money around. At one point some years ago, I decided to take a few items from my own site & list on ebay; I was forced to add upwards of a 25% increase just to cover ebay fees. Naturally, buyer's thought this was far too expensive so I gave up with that idea pretty soon after.

 

Fast forward to this December. The last pre-Christmas sale was 23rd & absolutely nothing since until a couple of days ago when ebay decided to give my listings an airing. In this same period I've had over a dozen orders from customers via my website!

 

I tried 'promoted' on one variation listing this year & initially it did well then came to a grinding halt so was pointless carrying it on any longer. In fact, it had already been one of my best selling variations before that but, since removing the promotion, I've not sold a single one! I soon found out the reason when I trawled through the sold items. Private sellers are selling lots of them without the need to add on the high fees that ebay throw at us for the privilege of having a Shop!

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@tascio1 

But how do you get traffic to your website?  For most of us, creating a web site would do nothing, I would suppose.

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But how do you get traffic to your website?

If you're selling rare or collectable items, e.g. @theelench glassware, and you make sure that you've included the keywords in the item listing and the channel titles, and ensured that Google has indexed the page and the website's sitemap, then you should get organic traffic.  Buyers will search for that elusive green candlestick by a named maker that they need to complete their set.  The more traffic you get, the more Google likes your website, and shoves it up the listings.  There are other things that Google likes - blogs, vids, and links from other sites.  Links are good, they're like citations on an academic paper.  Other sites know about you and recommend you, that's good in Google's eyes.

However, if you're selling a run of the mill item, you really need a Google Ad Words campaign if you want to make an impact that doesn't just rely on click volume.  You have to pay for this, and the cost depends on the popularity of the item in searches and how much other websites are prepared to pay to get on page one.  I've recently created a new campaign, and was sternly told that I wasn't budgeting as much as other websites and needed to spend more if I was to be in with the in crowd. 

However, you do get lots of data that enables you to refine your positive and negative keywords.  It does take a while to teach the algorithm what's a good search result and what's not, so you have to stick at it.  It is hard work to develop a campaign and there's no guarantee of success.  You're also given a rating for your ad strength and ways to improve it.  Rather depressing when you log in and see 'Poor'.  Your rating can change from day to day, depending on competition from other ads - so you have to keep on top of it.  It's not like eBay PL - you really have to work on it. 

You can also sign your website up for the Google Merchant Centre, irrespective of whether you use Ad Words - although I suspect that you get a more prominent position if you link to an Ad Word campaign.  This costs nothing unless you decide to go for their equivalent of PL - which I don't.  Make sure your website has an auto feed to the Merchant Centre with defined parameters for what to send, or you'll spend hours fixing why Google's showing you a sea of red (red's not good) for your pages.  Also, showing a higher price on your website than the price on the shopping app will get you banned - that's why you need an auto feed.

Google does give lots of info about what you can do to improve your conversion rate, mainly spend more money (no surprise there), but other things as well that don't cost money.  There are also lots of Google tutorials about bidding, segmentation etc. that you can watch and learn from.  It's a complex app, and you need to know the ins and outs, otherwise you're just throwing money away.

If you go this route, keep an eye on the costs and don't let Google have free run of your wallet.  Google can reduce you to penury in no time at all if you don't keep an eye on it.  It sneakily says ' You would get more conversions if you did X', so you do 'X' and then find that they've gobbled down a big chunk of money - and you've no conversions.

Also, Google is fussy.  It likes to know all about you and, if you don't give the right answers, you're banned.  I was dark for over a month and had to re-submit my paperwork seven times before it re-instated me.  Each submission took around an hour to complete.  The Internet is stacked with posts from companies that have been banned.  Google's like eBay, it doesn't tell you what you did wrong, but it does tell you to try again.  In my previous life, I had high level security clearance, and the data I had to submit to get that was less than Google demanded.  It was whoop-whoop-whoop when I finally got the green tick.

It's a pity eBay isn't so stringent with its vetting of buyers.  There would be a lot less INRs and SNADS.  

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I won't pretend to understand even a fraction of what you wrote, but as a private seller my livelihood doesn't depend on such things.

At least I think I understood your first paragraph and I seem to be doing something right, although I'm not sure what or why it works for me but not others on ebid.

 

The site up-loads my ads., as it does with all others that meet Google's criteria and somehow (if I search 'art deco glass') I can always find a few of my ads. and have done since I started trying to figure out how google shopping (GS)  works during the days stuck indoors during lock-down.

 

I certainly don't understand why, but since October '22, I've been shown most of the time on their "Sellers" side-bar and more importantly why I can't duplicate that for other sellers, by doing the same sort of searches for their items.

 

Although I don't know what I'm doing, or if my 'back of an envelope' counting and calculating is even producing valid results.  The site famously doesn't advertise itself, I don't self-promote on social media but I do think it has some effect by increasing my sales there, so my thinking is that at least some of them must come via GS?

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@theelench 

I wonder if glass collecting is a small enough world that there are specialist forums and you're known through that.

 

@the-nutwood-collection 

Thanks for taking the time to provide a fascinating insight.  In the distant past I've run my own website, but only for hobby purposes, not selling.  My items are such a random lot that there'd be no point in trying to set up a website.  Ebid used to work well for me back when I was selling off my wife's surplus craft supplies.

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The reason that other sellers aren't visible may be that they're not including the keywords or phrases that buyers are searching for.  There's often a disconnect between the words that the seller thinks they'll use and the words that they actually use.

When I create an Ad Word campaign I specify as many keywords as I can.  Google tells me the high-medium-low search viability for each one and suggests others.  Keywords can be specified as 'broad', which means that Google can serve the ad if it thinks the search term has a broad relationship with the keyword.  Other options are a phrase match or an exact match.

When the campaign's running, I see the search terms that caused the ad to be served and whether the term triggered a click.  I am amazed by many of the search terms that generated a click, I'd never have thought of them - but I can see the searcher's logic in a roundabout kind of way.

So ... it looks like you can successfully predict what's in searchers' woolly minds. 

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Thank you so much for taking time to post all this useful information about Google and sites as I think it will be very useful

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I am careful about key-words and my ad. titles are somewhat formulaic.   "Art Deco. manufacturer. Colour Glass. Special features (Uranium, pedestal etc). Name or number of pattern."  All things that buyers might, to me, be searching for.

 

But even when I've tried to help others with that sort of thing their name doesn't get on the Seller List, although it does sometimes increase the number of ads. GS shows.  At least temporarily.

 

@johnwash1 

I do contribute to a couple of glass websites under this name.  Mostly up-loading photos and comments to a reference site for I.D-ing Glass Dressing table sets. It's contained within the Glass Message Board that, more often than not, I'm asking for answers on.

I've never thought that activity on them would have any baring on my selling.  But google is vast and into everything, so it just might pick-up on me there?

    

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To my shock and horror, i have just been reading on another message topic about a poor private seller who dose not no how they are going to cope under the new rules (which IMO will make no diiference), they state they have been taking £800 - 900 a month for the last few years, but feel thats going to drop !!! I was thinking of starting a go fund me page for them. Unbelievable !!!!

 

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That is not the case for every private seller!

Lucky them enjoy it while it lasts!

Ebay can control and manipulate accounts as to who can and can't sell to the public!!

As a private seller I don't wake up to multiple offers from the public just one person harassing abusive threatening good luck with the sale, god loves a tryer, you are pounding salt endless abusive behaviour!!

Even abuse from ebay specialists!! (I have the proof!!)

 

The only reason sellers list on ebay is the belief that ebay is a public platform with listings being made public 24/7. I challenge that! So any business seller questioning should back off the private seller and let ebay deal with them their own way. Because TRUST ME they have the tools in place! 

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Well i hope so but nothing has been done up till now, i have no problen with genuine private sellers, selling a few of there own items with no fees , i can find in seconds private sellers with 20-40000 transaction, which now kill one of my business's on low value items as they have no fees etc, to me far from private sellers when your selling the same items over and over again

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