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The following article was written by Nick Carter for the Sydney Herald, It is an interesting take on free speech which seems familiar.

 

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How dare our Prime Minister slander the abstemious Irish, a sober, temperate and respectable people healthy of mind, body and soul! Surely we are beyond the days when it was OK to cast aspersions on the tight-fisted Scots, the leek-munching Welsh or the sheep-doting Kiwis.

That, at least, is the view of the earnest progressives for whom progress towards a more inclusive society requires us to become as humourless as the Germans, as bland as the Belgians and as smug as the French.

What Tony Abbott was really saying by linking St Patrick’s Day with the consumption of Guinness, explained Tim Dick in The Sydney Morning Herald, was that the Irish are “lively, useless drunks”.

It was a reminder that “jokes which appear innocuous to the teller can be hurtful”. Jokers like Abbott “don’t think they’re being racist”, says Dick, who plainly sees himself as an authority on the subject.

Abbott, it appears, was guilty of the newly minted crime of casual racism, a slur so subtle that ordinary people don’t think it’s racist at all.

The difficulty of defining casual racism may seem to be a defect, but as Ken Minogue says in his incisive book The Servile Mind, imprecision “makes the term ‘rac­ism’ all the more useful as a tool of forensic attack and great caution is needed to avoid being charged with it”.

How does one plead innocent against a charge of casual racism? You can’t. Pleading innocence is what casual racists do because they lack the sensitivity to recognise their own guilt.

In the hands of the politically correct, an allegation of casual ­racism is a stop-writ to shut down discussion.

Citizens are put on ­notice every time they open their mouths; racism, like misogyny, is a reputation-destroying ­accusa­tion and often a sackable ­offence.

The expansion of the race-speech moratorium to cover not just biological racism but cultural matters too has meant that the discussion we badly need to have about the place of Islam in modern Australian society was smothered before it began.

The recent atrocities in Sydney, Paris, Cop­enhagen and elsewhere demand a response that goes beyond candlelit vigils and Twitter handles. Yet every attempt to get the heart of the issue is muzzled by the imprecise rules of political correctness.

In Britain, however, some are now waking up to the damage this faux-tolerance is doing to the social fabric.

Last week Trevor Phillips, former chairman of the Commission for Racial Equality, made some frank confessions in a Channel 4 documentary, Things We Won’t Say about Race That are True.

Phillips confessed he had once believed that if a government tackled discrimination with enough vigour, racial and religious divisions “would just melt away in time because, after all, we were the same under the skin”.

The London Tube bombings of July 7, 2005, forced him to think again.

“We were faced with a single devastating question: if our multicultural dream was working so well, why had this happened?” he wrote in a preview to the documentary in The Sunday Times.

Phillips says while multi­culturalism is beautiful in theory, in practice it is “a racket in which self-styled community leaders bargained for control over local authority funds that would prop up their own status and author­ity”. Meanwhile, the communities they claimed to represent “were steadily shrinking in on themselves, trapping young people behind walls of tradition and deference to elders”.

The perverse and unintended consequence of the pursuit of div­ersity “is that our political and media classes have become terrified of discussing racial or religious differences”, writes Phillips.

The result has been frightening. The systematic grooming, sexual abuse and trafficking of young girls by gangs of mainly subcontinental men in Rotherham, Sheffield and other cities went unchecked for years because the authorities were frightened of being labelled racist.

“We find it more and more difficult to address real problems in our society because we are afraid to describe them,” says Phillips. “And we have to face the political consequences of our mealy-mouthed approach to race.” The fear of frankness is not confined to Britain, says Phillips. It is fuelling the growth of “angry, nativist political movements” across Europe where “the po-faced political correctness that cramps all the conventional parties is allowing these frauds to get away with it”.

Phillips concludes: “If we are to tackle the problems of racial equality, we at least have to be able to name the problem.”

The British, says Phillips, must “become more ready to offend each other”.

There are, fortunately, no signs of an insular, jingoistic ­political force coalescing around an anti-immigration sentiment in Australia. Yet there is no room for complacency, particularly when the Australian political class is squeam­ish about candid discussion.

In an ideal world, our div­ersity and inclusiveness pro­fessionals, such as Race Commissioner Tim Soutphommasane, would be helping us through this minefield. Like Phillips, who once occupied a position similar to Soutphommasane, they would clarify the distinction between out-and-out racial prejudice and the legitimate discussion of cultural tensions.

Instead, our race-relations experts have put themselves on frontline duty, pencil and notebook in hand, policing the boundaries of acceptable speech.

After a series of anti-terror raids last September, Soutphommasane lectured against “ill-judged statements that have inflamed sentiments” against Muslims, before giving politicians a stern ticking off.

“There is a special responsibility for our elected representatives to set an example,” he wrote in The Sydney Morning Herald. “No one benefits from ignorant ­rabble-rousing. Social cohesion mustn’t be sacrificed for sound bites.” No names, no pack-drill. Just an open-ended rebuke against “the tone of leadership” and a warning “not to judge entire communities by the actions of extremist minorities”.

The Race Commissioner, then, has taken it on himself to determine what can be said about Islam and the manner in which it is said. No one elected him, he can’t be sacked and those he rebukes find themselves reliving the experience of K in Franz Kafka’s The Trial.

“But I’m not guilty,” said K. “There’s been a mistake.”

“That is true,” said the priest, “but that is how the guilty speak.”

 

 

So there we have it! I'm certain that we will not be able to consider this article but it highlights the fact that it is a subject so readily stifled we are unlikely to ever be able to express an honest opinion without being called to book.

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I resisted the temptation to fall asleep reading that, the lack of clear paragraphs make such things difficult to follow.

 

Anyway, I think it's high time we who are not of Islamic ilk were allowed to freely criticise and point out the errors of following such a way of life.



It's life Jim, but not as WE know it.
Live long and prosper.

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Sorry CeeDee I know you are pedantic about presentation and detail I should have taken more care, Aside from that the content is both thought provoking and imo a fair reflection of the dilemma faced by people.

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Archie old bean, do you mind if I take your very informative missive to bed later, and read it there ? Well it's either that or the 'Life and Times of Margaret Rutherford'.

 

Meanwhile I'll bid you...

 

 

GOOD

NIGHT.

Mister EMB






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@cee-dee wrote:

I resisted the temptation to fall asleep reading that, the lack of clear paragraphs make such things difficult to follow.

 

Anyway, I think it's high time we who are not of Islamic ilk were allowed to freely criticise and point out the errors of following such a way of life.


I agree so long as you bear in mind that there is a world of difference between "criticising" and "pointing out errors" and identifying all Muslims with being followers of what you consider to be errors.

 

For example some Muslims justify the treatment of women as 'second class citizens' from the teachings of Islam - that does not justify saying that all or even most Muslims do treat women as inferior to men.

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There is no mechanism which allows you to discuss concerns without falling foul of current legislation. Yes it prevents racist comments to some extent however like the Human rights act it is open to abuse. Well meaning it may be but it undermines democracy rather than creating an atmosphere of understanding, acceptance of fellow human beings and cultural harmony.

There must also be an understanding that Britain has and will continue to be a refuge for those escaping persecution but we remain a small Island with a large population and there must be a requirement within International Law to seek solutions to problem rulers like Robert Mugabe and to strengthen International Law in this area.

I am moved by the plight of the Ipswich Asylum seeker, We should help because that is a true reflection of British people however you can understand the reluctance of many when you seek to silence their genuine concerns and hide behind a flawed piece of legislation.

 

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It seems obvious that Britain and the Western World in general, is getting more and more like the old Soviet Union.

Where now-one dared speak their mind.  For fear of being reported to the authorities, and arrested.

 

This is a trite comment, but true.  Nowadays, there's a climate of fear.  We may express our views in private, among friends we can trust.

But anything we say in public, has to conform to "political correctness".  Unless we want a knock on the door from the Police.

 

Isn't it so tragic, that this has come about?  How has it happened?

 

 

 

 

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@fallen-archie wrote:
“our political and media classes have become terrified of discussing racial or religious differences”

Really?

 

There’s not a day goes by without a sensationalist front page headline regarding IMMIGRANTS or MUSLIMS. Same with regards to threads in this forum. Even the UK’s top selling rag featured a clickbait rant calling migrants “cockroaches” and suggested “sending in the gunships”.  This was from Cameron just the other day http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/11685151/david-cameron-muslims-must-repel...

 

I find this “We’re not allowed to talk about immigration/Muslims” fallacy rather bizarre. It’s almost as if those who claim they’re “not allowed to talk about immigration/Muslims” are self-censoring in order to prevent their true prejudices showing themselves up as the ignorant morons they are.

 

Are we allowed to call ignorant people “morons”? Or is that a bit too…erm…un-PC?

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@malacandran wrote:

It seems obvious that Britain and the Western World in general, is getting more and more like the old Soviet Union.

Where now-one dared speak their mind.  For fear of being reported to the authorities, and arrested.

 

This is a trite comment, but true.  Nowadays, there's a climate of fear.  We may express our views in private, among friends we can trust.

But anything we say in public, has to conform to "political correctness".  Unless we want a knock on the door from the Police.

 

Isn't it so tragic, that this has come about?  How has it happened?

 

 


 

I have to be honest - I can't recall a single case of police "knocking on someone's door" regarding what they had said that didn't sound justified.

 

There must be millions, if not billions, of comments posted on line and in the media - if we really are a society where freedom of speech is being curbed rather than one that doesn't tolerate those who incite hatred then the police must be extremely busy!

 

You didn't appear to find anything objectionable about the Iraqi woman who was jailed for 3½ years on this thread - http://community.ebay.co.uk/t5/The-Round-Table/Iraq-woman-dubbed-the-Twitter-terrorist/m-p/4281943#U...

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@bookhunter2007 wrote:

@fallen-archie wrote:
“our political and media classes have become terrified of discussing racial or religious differences”

Really?

 

There’s not a day goes by without a sensationalist front page headline regarding IMMIGRANTS or MUSLIMS. Same with regards to threads in this forum. Even the UK’s top selling rag featured a clickbait rant calling migrants “cockroaches” and suggested “sending in the gunships”.  This was from Cameron just the other day http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/11685151/david-cameron-muslims-must-repel...

 

I find this “We’re not allowed to talk about immigration/Muslims” fallacy rather bizarre. It’s almost as if those who claim they’re “not allowed to talk about immigration/Muslims” are self-censoring in order to prevent their true prejudices showing themselves up as the ignorant morons they are.

 

Are we allowed to call ignorant people “morons”? Or is that a bit too…erm…un-PC?


Strictly speaking it was Trevor Phillips the former chairman of the Commission for Racial Equality who said that (cited by fallen-archie). I very much doubt that he is ignorant.


The tabloids have always been offensive whether writing about immigrants, muslims, Argie-bashing at the time of the Falklands, or whatever they can blame for society’s ills, and I find it depressing that they have so much influence on those who choose to read and believe all that they write instead of more balanced reporting.


The Telegraph article about Cameron’s speech is interesting. Yes it is time that there were frank discussions. Islamic State/ISIS/ISIL (or whatever is the latest acronym) is like a cancer, and their activities are not condoned by most Muslims. Every effort has to be made to educate young people (schools, parents) that terrorism is not the answer to religious and political conflict, otherwise the future is looking very dangerous indeed throughout the world.


Half of the problem seems to be that many (non-muslim) people don’t make the distinction between Muslims in general and extremists. Neither do some people make the distinction between economic migrants who might see Britain as a cushy number and those who are essentially refugees who are so desperate to get away from war zones, tyranny, torture and other human rights abuses they will risk death on their journey rather than remain. I find it hard to believe that those of us born to more fortunate circumstances don’t at least have some compassion for the latter, but it appears that many don’t.

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Perhaps what gets most British people's goat is this:

 

Why are we even being bothered with all the Muslim business?  What's it got to do with us?  We're British people, living in Britain, with our own Christian culture.  And are, or used to be, quite happy with it.  

 

Other people, such as Muslims, have a different culture. Fair enough. They can have whatever culture they want. In their own countries.

To each, their own.  I wouldn't argue with that.  Let everyone do their own thing, and live with their own kind, where they feel comfortable.

 

But suddenly, within the the last 50 years, this sensible view changed.  And the British got told that we can't just have our own native culture.  No - for some reason, Britain has got to become "multi-cultural".  And bring in Muslims in large numbers.

 

I can't see what good that does. Either to the British or the Muslims.  Surely it's bound to create a culture-clash, and make trouble for us all.

 

So what's at the back of it?

 

 

 

 

 

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suzieseaside wrote

Strictly speaking it was Trevor Phillips the former chairman of the Commission for Racial Equality who said that (cited by fallen-archie). I very much doubt that he is ignorant.


The tabloids have always been offensive whether writing about immigrants, muslims, Argie-bashing at the time of the Falklands, or whatever they can blame for society’s ills, and I find it depressing that they have so much influence on those who choose to read and believe all that they write instead of more balanced reporting.


The Telegraph article about Cameron’s speech is interesting. Yes it is time that there were frank discussions. Islamic State/ISIS/ISIL (or whatever is the latest acronym) is like a cancer, and their activities are not condoned by most Muslims. Every effort has to be made to educate young people (schools, parents) that terrorism is not the answer to religious and political conflict, otherwise the future is looking very dangerous indeed throughout the world.


Half of the problem seems to be that many (non-muslim) people don’t make the distinction between Muslims in general and extremists. Neither do some people make the distinction between economic migrants who might see Britain as a cushy number and those who are essentially refugees who are so desperate to get away from war zones, tyranny, torture and other human rights abuses they will risk death on their journey rather than remain. I find it hard to believe that those of us born to more fortunate circumstances don’t at least have some compassion for the latter, but it appears that many don’t.


Good post. No, I wouldn't go as far to say TP is an "ignorant *bleep*", however I don't agree with him. If anything, overtalk of cultural anxieties can be a convenient distraction over and above economic issues and/or living standards. Kinda lets the establishment off the hook imo. The irony is that whilst we are talking about cultural anxieties that "we are not allowed to talk about", we end up not talking about issues that "the establishment" really DON'T want us talking about (e.g TTIP). An old article, but its gist is as relevant as ever:

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/jan/27/bash-poor-wave-flag-tory-trick

 

On the other hand, corrupt reigms like House of Saud use Islam to maintain their Hegemony. In other words, any criticism of the govt is seen as "un-Islamic", yet a fair number of Saudi Princes are simultaneously indulging in the most decadent excess of the West!

 

Agree on ISIS. Another dimension is by tarring Muslims as a mass homogeneous group "incompatible" with British values it is actually doing ISIS's bidding for them by reinforcing an us vs them dichotomy.

 

I don't think it's even "Political Correctness" that stifles debate, moreover it's driven by those who simply wish to vent against whichever outgroup is flavour of the month without looking at the bigger picture.  Also, history tells us during times of economic austerity, demagogues from Populist/Far-RIght parties have a tendency to pop up and amplify this narrative with well-timed dogwhistles.

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