28-10-2016 9:28 PM
Pound Stirling clearly in trouble and most definately effect ebay sales across the board.
29-10-2016 3:59 PM
Out for me too,best thing that's happened to the UK for a long time. I just wish it wasn't taking so long.
29-10-2016 4:37 PM
I don't think the majority of 'Out' voters would change their mind based on anything to do with the slump of the £ or if the economic performance worsens as the economy was not really what they were voting about. In the same way that most people who voted In weren't doing so out of love for the EU, which is a wholly unloveable body, but were doing so on the balance of risk.
There won't be another referendum, in spite of what some of my fellow 'Remain' voters such as the Lib Dems and Tony Blair may say. We will all have to respect the decision that was reached, just as all those who voted to not stay in the EU in 1975 (and lost) have done for the past 41 years - their respectful silence on the matter ever since has been an example to us all
If however, there was a referendum today based on knowing what had happened and been said since 23/6, I think the result would change to a slight majority to Remain, for a number of reasons. I think there would be a chunk more young voters who would turn out, Scottish voters would turn out in greater force (33% didn't vote at all) and some voters would switch sides based on apparently believing originally a promise based on a mythical figure written on a bus !
From a personal perspective on sales, the crash in the level of the £ has meant that sales to the US have returned which is welcome, they had all but disappeared in the 3m before the referendum.
I'm not sure where all the paranoia from 'Outers' as to biased media comes from. More of the media was 'Out' than 'In' given that vast swathes of what is presented to us is controlled by Murdoch who wanted Out thus setting the stance for his outlets, and the Mail, Telegraph and Express were also all 'Out'. With a couple of newspapers staying neutral, there were very few press outlets that were actively campaigning to stay in.
The BBC will always get a bashing from the rabid extremes on either side of the argument. It is by nature a liberal centre to centre left structure but is by a country mile the fairest and most balanced news organisation we have both here and arguably worldwide. Being challenged on things you have said, done or promised is part of life, you can't just throw your toys out of the pram and claim the questioner is biased.
As to what happens next, we will have to wait and see. The 'Out' campaign was very much an 'It'll be alright on the night' strategy, with everyone involved now either backtracking on what they apparently said or have resigned and left the stage. We will have to spend a huge amount of time & cash to prepare for actually trying to leave, never mind what leaving will actually cost, and have no idea what 'out' will look like. What we will never know, and will never be able to measure, is how would our country and economy look like in 5/10/20 years time had we stayed in, as measured against what it has turned out like having left.
In the meantime, the press will still be full of their own agendas and misinformation, depending on who you listen to or read. Anything that goes well will be seized on as evidence that Brexit will be marvellous, anything that goes wrong will be the fault of Brexit. Suffice to say that many of those who wanted 'out' will take all of the credit and none of the blame. We see that already with the likes of the Express describing our Q3 GDP growth of around 0.5% as a surge, which is somewhat questionable given Q2 growth was higher at 0.7% and all sectors save for services declined.
An earlier poster mentioned interest rates needing to rise for savers, but I think that is a pipe dream. The BoE has already had to cut rates down to 0.25% as a result of the stimulus needed to deal with the Brexit vote fallout. Huge amounts of today's mortgage borrowers would be really struggling if the interest rates went up to 1.5% or 2%, never mind a more normal level of 6-8% over the life of a mortgage. Savers as a result will have no chance of getting a return of anywhere close to what they were used to before.
Mark
(Mark R's Books)
29-10-2016 5:38 PM
Well guys the overwhelming 100% to be exact is for the OUT vote. Thank u all for your answers i was curious as i live in The Republic & UK sales have fallen sharpley.
Thank u again for all the measured responses.
@markr9884 wrote:I don't think the majority of 'Out' voters would change their mind based on anything to do with the slump of the £ or if the economic performance worsens as the economy was not really what they were voting about. In the same way that most people who voted In weren't doing so out of love for the EU, which is a wholly unloveable body, but were doing so on the balance of risk.
There won't be another referendum, in spite of what some of my fellow 'Remain' voters such as the Lib Dems and Tony Blair may say. We will all have to respect the decision that was reached, just as all those who voted to not stay in the EU in 1975 (and lost) have done for the past 41 years - their respectful silence on the matter ever since has been an example to us all
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If however, there was a referendum today based on knowing what had happened and been said since 23/6, I think the result would change to a slight majority to Remain, for a number of reasons. I think there would be a chunk more young voters who would turn out, Scottish voters would turn out in greater force (33% didn't vote at all) and some voters would switch sides based on apparently believing originally a promise based on a mythical figure written on a bus !
From a personal perspective on sales, the crash in the level of the £ has meant that sales to the US have returned which is welcome, they had all but disappeared in the 3m before the referendum.
I'm not sure where all the paranoia from 'Outers' as to biased media comes from. More of the media was 'Out' than 'In' given that vast swathes of what is presented to us is controlled by Murdoch who wanted Out thus setting the stance for his outlets, and the Mail, Telegraph and Express were also all 'Out'. With a couple of newspapers staying neutral, there were very few press outlets that were actively campaigning to stay in.
The BBC will always get a bashing from the rabid extremes on either side of the argument. It is by nature a liberal centre to centre left structure but is by a country mile the fairest and most balanced news organisation we have both here and arguably worldwide. Being challenged on things you have said, done or promised is part of life, you can't just throw your toys out of the pram and claim the questioner is biased.
As to what happens next, we will have to wait and see. The 'Out' campaign was very much an 'It'll be alright on the night' strategy, with everyone involved now either backtracking on what they apparently said or have resigned and left the stage. We will have to spend a huge amount of time & cash to prepare for actually trying to leave, never mind what leaving will actually cost, and have no idea what 'out' will look like. What we will never know, and will never be able to measure, is how would our country and economy look like in 5/10/20 years time had we stayed in, as measured against what it has turned out like having left.
In the meantime, the press will still be full of their own agendas and misinformation, depending on who you listen to or read. Anything that goes well will be seized on as evidence that Brexit will be marvellous, anything that goes wrong will be the fault of Brexit. Suffice to say that many of those who wanted 'out' will take all of the credit and none of the blame. We see that already with the likes of the Express describing our Q3 GDP growth of around 0.5% as a surge, which is somewhat questionable given Q2 growth was higher at 0.7% and all sectors save for services declined.
An earlier poster mentioned interest rates needing to rise for savers, but I think that is a pipe dream. The BoE has already had to cut rates down to 0.25% as a result of the stimulus needed to deal with the Brexit vote fallout. Huge amounts of today's mortgage borrowers would be really struggling if the interest rates went up to 1.5% or 2%, never mind a more normal level of 6-8% over the life of a mortgage. Savers as a result will have no chance of getting a return of anywhere close to what they were used to before.
Mark
(Mark R's Books)
@markr9884 wrote:I don't think the majority of 'Out' voters would change their mind based on anything to do with the slump of the £ or if the economic performance worsens as the economy was not really what they were voting about. In the same way that most people who voted In weren't doing so out of love for the EU, which is a wholly unloveable body, but were doing so on the balance of risk.
There won't be another referendum, in spite of what some of my fellow 'Remain' voters such as the Lib Dems and Tony Blair may say. We will all have to respect the decision that was reached, just as all those who voted to not stay in the EU in 1975 (and lost) have done for the past 41 years - their respectful silence on the matter ever since has been an example to us all
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If however, there was a referendum today based on knowing what had happened and been said since 23/6, I think the result would change to a slight majority to Remain, for a number of reasons. I think there would be a chunk more young voters who would turn out, Scottish voters would turn out in greater force (33% didn't vote at all) and some voters would switch sides based on apparently believing originally a promise based on a mythical figure written on a bus !
From a personal perspective on sales, the crash in the level of the £ has meant that sales to the US have returned which is welcome, they had all but disappeared in the 3m before the referendum.
I'm not sure where all the paranoia from 'Outers' as to biased media comes from. More of the media was 'Out' than 'In' given that vast swathes of what is presented to us is controlled by Murdoch who wanted Out thus setting the stance for his outlets, and the Mail, Telegraph and Express were also all 'Out'. With a couple of newspapers staying neutral, there were very few press outlets that were actively campaigning to stay in.
The BBC will always get a bashing from the rabid extremes on either side of the argument. It is by nature a liberal centre to centre left structure but is by a country mile the fairest and most balanced news organisation we have both here and arguably worldwide. Being challenged on things you have said, done or promised is part of life, you can't just throw your toys out of the pram and claim the questioner is biased.
As to what happens next, we will have to wait and see. The 'Out' campaign was very much an 'It'll be alright on the night' strategy, with everyone involved now either backtracking on what they apparently said or have resigned and left the stage. We will have to spend a huge amount of time & cash to prepare for actually trying to leave, never mind what leaving will actually cost, and have no idea what 'out' will look like. What we will never know, and will never be able to measure, is how would our country and economy look like in 5/10/20 years time had we stayed in, as measured against what it has turned out like having left.
In the meantime, the press will still be full of their own agendas and misinformation, depending on who you listen to or read. Anything that goes well will be seized on as evidence that Brexit will be marvellous, anything that goes wrong will be the fault of Brexit. Suffice to say that many of those who wanted 'out' will take all of the credit and none of the blame. We see that already with the likes of the Express describing our Q3 GDP growth of around 0.5% as a surge, which is somewhat questionable given Q2 growth was higher at 0.7% and all sectors save for services declined.
An earlier poster mentioned interest rates needing to rise for savers, but I think that is a pipe dream. The BoE has already had to cut rates down to 0.25% as a result of the stimulus needed to deal with the Brexit vote fallout. Huge amounts of today's mortgage borrowers would be really struggling if the interest rates went up to 1.5% or 2%, never mind a more normal level of 6-8% over the life of a mortgage. Savers as a result will have no chance of getting a return of anywhere close to what they were used to before.
Mark
(Mark R's Books)
29-10-2016 5:49 PM
I suspect most of those who voted to leave, were voting more over something they didn't want rather than what they did want, apart from a nebulous idea of 'independence'.
I see no reason why another vote would change that, at least not for some time.
29-10-2016 8:12 PM - edited 29-10-2016 8:16 PM
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29-10-2016 8:41 PM
I am convinced the vote was fiddled in Scotland- i have not yet met one person who voted to stay. I do antique fairs and markets and anyone i have spoke to have said they voted out.
29-10-2016 9:40 PM
I had friends with a stall in the centre of Edinburgh for the six weeks leading up to the referendum and not only was the public not interested at the remain stall, there was no more than two people running it. This was common place throughout Scotland, other than Glasgow.
How on earth anybody could possibly want to remain in a corrupt organisation, that is unaccountable, undemocratic and has destroyed every country in Europe. Youth unemployment at 50% in most countries, no growth, no hope and utter despair widespread.
Every regulation and law implemented can never be reversed, killing small business and the hopes and dreams of millions of people throughout Europe. These dictators can do whatever the hell they like without any consequence. Tell me how anybody with a brain cell could accept that?
It will be interesting to see how Europe gets through the inevitable collapse of Deutsche, which when it happens will make 2008 look like a blip.
If there was another vote, if not rigged, then I suspect Leave would win with a bigger percentage, certainly after the Nissan decision.
There is not ONE reason to remain and hundreds if not thousands to leave.
30-10-2016 12:27 PM - edited 30-10-2016 12:29 PM
I voted to remain, but it had nothing to do with the self proclaimed queen , who does everything to suit herself. I think the leave vote would have been a lot higher if it was not for alternative reasons and schemes.
30-10-2016 6:04 PM
Would Brexit voters vote differently now? I doubt it. They didn't understand the complicated economics of staying/leaving at the time they voted and they still don't. I'm not criticising them because neither did the remainers. The issue should never have been put to a vote by the ignorant masses. (I'm including myself here.)
We won't know for many years if it was the right decision. (In fact we may never know, because we don't know what would have happened if we had voted to stay.)
30-10-2016 6:17 PM
Brexit was more than about the economy and anyway my sales haven't changed.So my answer would be no.
31-10-2016 8:35 AM
No chance. I want a hard Brexit now!
My sales have been excellent and my international ones have picked up nidely too.
31-10-2016 8:37 AM
13-02-2017 8:07 AM
I voted out and have zero regrets. My international sales are going crazy and my costs have not yet incresed.
Happy days.
13-02-2017 3:21 PM
I voted 'in' to join a common market but not a federated EU. So voted out this time - for me it is not about the economy or my own business profits, or about people coming in or going out of the country, or the NHS or Nato etc etc etc - it is just about being able to make our own decisions within our own borders.
The scaremongering is absurd - we have managed to organise ourselves for hundreds of years and shall do so for many more. Sometimes well, sometimes not so well, that is going to be up to us.
13-02-2017 9:24 PM
Britain hasn't left the EU yet. Once Britain has actually left and the harsh financial reality really sets in an awful lot of people are going to regret votong to leave.
13-02-2017 11:50 PM
If Marine Le Pen wins in March/April, that hopefully will be the end of the EU once and for all. If the Dutch polls are correct they should also be following us out. People are mislead, the people of Europe don't want it, whatever the liberal media broadcasts. Tensions are running so high, riots and demonstrations in every country on an almost weekly basis, which inevitably will lead to war on the streets. Just look at Sweden, which will be classed by the UN as a third world country within the next decade.
We all know the likes of Soros can manipulate the markets as black Wednesday proved and with his aim of a borderless world, I am sure he and his cohorts have the potential and capabilities to cause mayhem whenever people fight back.
“National sovereignty is the root cause of the most crying evils of our times….The only final remedy for this evil is the federal union of the peoples.” stated at the entrance to the visitors centre of the EU. Britain, France, Greece, Italy etc will be abolished. Turkey will be a member in the near future, which is in Asia? Will it then be called EAU? Will Syria be next and then the rest of Asia? Could that be why the war in Syria was started? Who knows, but anyone who thinks the people pulling the strings of the EU have yours or my best interests at heart, are sadly mistaken, whether we stayed in or we got the hell out.
14-02-2017 8:30 AM
It's funny isn't it how the traitors to this country,George Gideon Osborne and no less than the Governor of the Bank of England have done a massive U turn on their Brexit lies.
This country is a great country that stood and prospered for a thousand years before the EU got it's rancid claws into us.
Despite the biased mainstream media doing everything it can to tell us Brexit was bad there are really encouraging signs.
Country after country are lining up to trade with us
Remoaners you can't have it both ways
When something good happens it's because we are still in the EU.
When something bad happens it's because we are leaving the EU
You lost we won accept it.Join us and make this fair land great again
14-02-2017 9:52 AM
The local newspaper did a small survey of 200 people to see if they had changed their minds since the brexit vote. 7 out of 8 said no, the remainder were equally split into leavers who would now vote remain, and remainers who would now vote leave. Small sample but it suggests that if the vote was re-run now, the result would not be much different.
Personally, having seen all the comment from people I know since the vote I believe that the reason people voted the way they did is related to (a) personality and (b) experience. Younger people with no experience of life or exposure to different viewpoints for example what life was like before the EU tended to vote remain. But for me personality seems to have been crucial. Those who could loosely be described as "glass half empty" types who see the negative in things and are afraid of change voted remain. Those who are "glass half full" and are optimistic despite what life throws at them tended to vote leave as they believe any short term negatives will be overcome and the end result will be better than what we have now. That's been my observation anyway.
14-02-2017 10:21 AM
To OP - have heard that line about nationalism being the cause of evil many times. I think that happy families make better neighbours.
Countries who are able to control their own legislation and live in a way that suits them, expressing their own qualities and character, can better tolerate a neighbour who is different but happy in their own individuality.
Using the family analogy - most of us are happy to live within our wider family, having our say and giving leeway to each other, but would not be happy to live in a commune.
14-02-2017 10:55 AM
Agree, I think the reason we are where we are now is because of the dreadful effect of the second world war which gave birth to the current world order and the consensus political views which prevailed pre-brexit/trump. The EU was likewise a knee-jerk reaction to the war, but does not work for the modern world. If you study history, you find that once or twice in a century things change massively for countries/populations and I think that is where we are now, in a period of big change.