We are indeed "Better Together"..

[grandad-dave]

As I predicted it wasn't particularily Close..  All the scare stories around post costs can now be put to bed.. I must admit I sat looking at a blank TV screen this morning when i got up at 5.30am unable to switch on just in case the worst had happened and Soapy Salmond had indeed Crowned himself King!!..  Only time will heal the divisions but I'm so glad the majority voted to go forward with England, Wales and Ireland and hopefully build a better future and a stronger Union..   Is IT to late or to Early for a wee Dram to toast everyone from both sides>>>>>

[ed_blackadder_1]

True.

I think we all see what we want to see when we read these figures.

[pyrografica]

The poor downtrodden oppressed of white middle-class England. My heart bleeds for them, it truly does.

[ed_blackadder_1]

Off to work now on my seven pounds an hour job. And I still pay for my prescriptions.

[upthecreekyetagain]

I wonder why it is claimed that the white, middle-class are oppressed?

. . . . and why is it only the WHITE middle-class that are so badly treated?

Need to get the EDL on the case!

[upthecreekyetagain]

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@ed_blackadder_1 wrote:
Off to work now on my seven pounds an hour job. And I still pay for my prescriptions.

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The wife will be back from hers in an hour - and she has to pay for her's as well 😞

[twohelmets]

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@pyrografica wrote:

The poor downtrodden oppressed of white middle-class England. My heart bleeds for them, it truly does.

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You probably don't even realise you are doing it, but you are demonstrating exactly what I mean.

[**caution**opinion_ahead]

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@m1llsyno1 wrote:

What I cannot understand is why the No's are so bitter even though they won.

Here's another point of fact. English folks living here in Scotland were allowed to vote. Scottish folks living in England could not.

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That's how electoral roles are constructed though.  If you live in an area at the time of an election or referendum, you get to vote in that area.

You could argue that everyone in the UK should have had a vote, as a split would have affected us all, wherever we reside.

[**caution**opinion_ahead]

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@upthecreekyetagain wrote:

Strikes me that the Scots have now got the best of both worlds - if pledges made during the campaign by the Prime Minister and other government ministers are up held then by this time next year the Scottish Parliament will have virtually the same powers they would have had if the 'Yes' vote had won the referendum - without any of the costs nor disadvantages of independence.

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I agree it could pan out that way.  Or .... the whole affair might have popped the apathy bubble in England and we may see campaigns for devolution here, which might not work out in favour of Scotland.

Time will tell.

[al**bear]

The English paying for their prescriptions is YOUR Politicians fault, not the Scots

The English paying for University fees is YOUR Politicians fault, not the Scots

Getting terrible council services is the fault of the people that are voted into power in your Council. It is NOT the fault of other areas who do vote for and get reasonable services

The only bias in the BBC was from BBC Scotland who were ridiculous in their YES camp political bias. The NATS got so upset with the BEEB in London, because their interviewers wouldn't accept Salmond etc

NOT ANSWERING THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE PUT TO THEM and then  pushed for those answers, this was totally missing from BBC Scotlands interviewers and Reporters, who just accepted the NATs glib soundbites as answers. Worse of all being Newsnight Scotland which actually got official complaints from various NO side Politicians.

I know how we could save loads off the cost of the BEEB, close down BBC ALBA that nobody watches , they have spent more than £25 mil already. Take out their rehash of SPFL football and they have viewers in the low 1000s, simple to put the football on BBC 2 Scotland on digital

[twohelmets]

Here's another point of fact. English folks living here in Scotland were allowed to vote. Scottish folks living in England could not.

And I think they got that right. People should vote where they live and pay taxes and where they have to live with the consequences of their vote. The right to vote based on some sort of ancestral connection or place of birth when they don't live there, work there, don't pay taxes there and don't have to live with the consequences of the vote is a nonsense.

It's a nonsense that is alive and well if you move for work between EU states. I can vote for the monster raving loony party in the UK and don't have to live with the consequences of their election, but I am democratically silenced in the country where I live and pay taxes. That's just plain wrong and the Scotts got that part right.

[twohelmets]

I don't think anybody blamed the Scotts for them having to pay for their prescriptions, but you may find some bitterness at the extra money sent in Scotland direction which no doubt helps at least a little with ""free" Scotland.

As for tuition fees, I think people should have to pay. I have seen the almost universal take up of "free" education (to 26) in Belgium and then see them whining about having to wait a year to get unemployment benefits because nobody wants their degree in classic literature.

[tommy.irene]

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@pyrografica wrote:

The poor downtrodden oppressed of white middle-class England. My heart bleeds for them, it truly does.

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http://www.itv.com/news/update/2014-09-19/men-are-first-in-line-for-the-new-iphone-6/

[pyrografica]

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@twohelmets wrote:

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@pyrografica wrote:

The poor downtrodden oppressed of white middle-class England. My heart bleeds for them, it truly does.

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You probably don't even realise you are doing it, but you are demonstrating exactly what I mean.

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Oh, I do apologise for not holding them in the highest esteem which you obviously feel is their birthright.

[al**bear]

Some comments on Scots in England not getting the Vote

Salmond wouldn't even give the Vote to Scottish Soldiers serving outside Scottish Borders

An unbridled National disgrace,

Serve Your Country - lose your franchise

[*.*..lola..*.*]

You could argue that everyone in the UK should have had a vote, as a split would have affected us all, wherever we reside.

I had the same thoughts, Caution. Although I think we would still have had the same result in the end.

[twohelmets]

""Oh, I do apologise for not holding them in the highest esteem which you obviously feel is their birthright."" "They" have as much right to respect as anybody else. Yet again, while denying there was any truth in what I said, you again display EXACTLY the discrimination I was talking about. Your loathing is palpable. But then I presume you are a socialist and hate anybody for anything they have despite having much of it taken from them to pay for you. Yes, I do believe that middle England is discriminated against. Now, if they were black and Scottish then I presume the milk of human kindness would be flowing in their direction from you by the bucketful? The basic breakdown of the Scottish vote could be summed up as this.....Those with nothing to lose and something to gain from "something for nothing" Alex voted yes, hard working taxpayers voted no. Yes, many exceptions, but that's about the gist of it.

[pyrografica]

Not at all, I have no loathing or even mild dislike of any class, race or gender of people, I consider all that to be rather childish. I just feel extreme amusement when the over- privileged start to complain and whine about their lot, and find it completely impossible to view anything from outside their tiny sphere without predudice.

It makes me laugh.

[twohelmets]

 I just feel extreme amusement when the over- privileged start to complain and whine about their lot, and find it completely impossible to view anything from outside their tiny sphere without predudice.

It makes me laugh.

Ah, the English are over privileged???

 Here is you presuming that the English middle class deserve no sympathy at all despite being the highest tax payers in the UK. How is the English middle class over privileged!! By being the highest tax payers! I will say it again...... Your views would be unacceptable if you were talking about the Scottish, the Welsh, the Irish.

Privilege is wanting something for nothing, something the Scottish are very good at. Glasgow was a massive YES vote. There is a shocker. Privilege is thinking your neighbour with a nice car owes you a living.

You picked up on my point that the English middle class are a down trodden minority paying more than their fare share and have hurled nothing but abuse in their direction since, something that merely confirms what I know.

Funny but true story......... My neighbour, a rocket scientist (really) lived in Scotland for over a decade, now resident in Belgium. He closed his private banking account with RBS over two weeks ago and moved his money to England. Alex said it would not happen, so chill... 🙂

[pyrografica]

Alright then, I promise not to find your comments funny or amusing in any way in the future.

You can't say fairer than that.

[bookhunter2007]

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@twohelmets wrote:

Not that white middle class England would ever get a vote, for they are the truly oppressed, not the Scottish.

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You could try giving these folks a call?

http://www.amnesty.org.uk/

I tried earlier, but they were a bit bogged down with a horrific case where some evil-doer had drawn a phallus on the wall of The Tunbridge Wells Conservative Club.