07-03-2013 2:55 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21496566
It took them long enough, two days.
Although she was clearly guilty of perverting the course of justice, do you think she should have been "let off" due to the Law on Marital Coercion?
It's life Jim, but not as WE know it.
Live long and prosper.
12-03-2013 1:08 PM
Oh THAT case was a prime example of a copper making his mind up early on and not letting the evidence lead him. Instead he was led by his own conclusion and didn't investigate the scene properly.
I agree. They found he had lied on a job application and somehow drew the conclusion he was, therefore, capable of murder.
If he was innocent (I tend to think he was), he got a very rough deal. If he was guilty, he served 7 yrs and went through 3 trials, which is more than a lot of murderers have to endure.
12-03-2013 5:27 PM
From the BBC website:
Their first full day in prison coincidentally falls on the 10th anniversary of the original speeding offence.
Mr Davies told BBC Radio 4's Today programme: "The difficulty for Chris is he's so much in the public spotlight, for Vicky and for him it's not just going through a court case, having to live with the sentence and the punishment. But it's having been in the stocks for such a long period of time, on the front pages of newspapers.
"They wake up not just having a sentence to serve in prison but as the best-known prisoners in the place and having to go through all that - the difficulty of catcalls and the like."
Well, what do they expect?
What about all those people who are handed prison sentences for far less crimes - eg women still sent down for failing to pay the court fine because they didn't have a TV licence!!!!
So maybe they don't get all the media attention, but then neither do they seek it either - but they still have the trauma of being imprisoned to go through, but no utterly self-absorbed, priviledged friends to bleat to the media on their behalf.
The shame of it goes from bad to worse. Because someone is described as:
".... her wiring was jumbled, the storms in her heart were flooded. .........the most extraordinarily gifted, sane, stable woman, but love unhinged her. It was just 'why didn't she go away quietly?' This society has no time for raging betrayed wives."
that means she should be pardoned from not just conspiracy to pervert the course of justice in the first instance, but to attempt to do so again, years later, by lying and attempting to use the process of law and other avenues to enact revenge?
These 'friends' need to keep quiet, and do their genuine supporting out of the public eye, but helping those two accept the terrible damage they have done to others and to accept the consequences of their actions and their guilt.
12-03-2013 6:38 PM
12-03-2013 7:23 PM
I like Lord Taylor's quote when interviewed about his 3 month's stay in prison ...
"I probably made more friends in prison than I have ever done in Parliament." :^O
This is worth a quick read; "What is life like for politicians in Prison?"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-21741438
13-03-2013 5:27 PM
It isn't about a speeding offence. It is about deliberately setting out to avoid the consequences of having broken the law.
I'm sure Huhne's girlfriend will manage to hold out for 2 mths. 😉
Beg to differ caution, but it is firstly about a speeding offence.
He broke the law by speeding.
He then broke the law a second time by "asking" his wife to take the points for him.
Thirdly, he then broke the law by denying he did the latter and kept on denying it!
Off with his head. 😄 😉
13-03-2013 5:30 PM
I like Lord Taylor's quote when interviewed about his 3 month's stay in prison ...
"I probably made more friends in prison than I have ever done in Parliament." :^O
This is worth a quick read; "What is life like for politicians in Prison?"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-21741438
Yes, if he's got any sense Huhne will keep quiet and eat some humble pie and not apply for rule 43 as advised by Lord Taylor.
13-03-2013 5:58 PM
Beg to differ caution, but it is firstly about a speeding offence.
He broke the law by speeding.
He then broke the law a second time by "asking" his wife to take the points for him.
Thirdly, he then broke the law by denying he did the latter and kept on denying it!
Off with his head. 😄 😉
But 🙂 ... the trial has been for perverting the course of justice.
Speeding is not perverting the course of justice. Trying to avoid taking the points is. Lying about trying to get someone else to take the points is. Taking points for someone else is.
So, speeding was the catalyst, but the case is not about speeding per se. IMHO. 🙂
13-03-2013 6:32 PM
But 🙂 ... the trial has been for perverting the course of justice.
Speeding is not perverting the course of justice. Trying to avoid taking the points is. Lying about trying to get someone else to take the points is. Taking points for someone else is.
So, speeding was the catalyst, but the case is not about speeding per se. IMHO. 🙂
Most criminals/offenders lie to their brief/judge/police/jury etc, with intent to get off with their criminal offence. Very few put their hands up and say, "fair cop guv".
Is that not considered to be perverting the course of justice?
13-03-2013 6:36 PM
Stryver - I think you'll find it is the other way round, the criminals tell the truth it is their lawyers that do the lying in order to boost their list of successful cases and fees! :^O
13-03-2013 6:48 PM
Stryver - I think you'll find it is the other way round, the criminals tell the truth it is their lawyers that do the lying in order to boost their list of successful cases and fees! :^O
They seem to be untouchable though. 😞 If you think you have been "wronged" by a liewyer you have no comeback . The Law Ombudsman suggests that you write them a letter telling them how you feel and what they have done wrong - and that, as far as I know, is all you can do!
13-03-2013 6:55 PM
So true. There are very few lawyers that will take on another law firm for negligent advice. In this case, it is the CPS that will have to account for themselves and try and claw back the tax payer's money!
13-03-2013 7:18 PM
So true. There are very few lawyers that will take on another law firm for negligent advice. In this case, it is the CPS that will have to account for themselves and try and claw back the tax payer's money!
They have the wherewithal to pay back the court costs and I expect they will have to payback the costs.
Going back to this trial though - does it now mean that anyone who "passes off" speeding points - will be sent to prison?
Why I ask is that they have been several cases in Lancashire where many (40 or more in some instances) have "sold" their speeding points!
13-03-2013 7:42 PM
I think, if I've understood it correctly, as already said, it was not about swapping points which is still conspiracy to pervert the course of justice.
It was that, having been caught out, Huhne went to great lengths to not simply deny the charges, but to affect the evidence to try and cover it up.
Pryce went on to lie about not just the points swap, but about her other actions surrounding her blowing the whistle in an attempt to affect the evidence to avoid being charged.
Because Huhne pleaded guilty I think some of the evidence was not brought out in court.
So, where others have been found guilty of swapping points, yes they are still charged with perverting the course of justice, and I know of people who have been given community service as punishment.
They got a custodial sentence because of the seriousness of their subsequent actions after the story came out, and because of their abuse of their respective positions in trying to cover it all up, not because of the original points swap.
There are still investigations going on, with potential charges for others who were involved in this cover up, and again, it's to do with attempting to pervert the course of justice.
13-03-2013 9:49 PM
#52.
Thanks for the info, I have not been following this particular case. 🙂
I just find it to be flawed that the higher your job status and your station in life the higher the tariff you pay for wrongdoing.
OK, let's forget about the ex-MP ( maybe he deserved a custodial sentence) (?), but does it mean that all "high-flyers" like VP should be sent to prison for "perverting the course of justice?"
And are a whole bunch of porkies more serious than one or two porkies?
13-03-2013 11:06 PM
The simple answer is 'yes' to both questions.
The sentences, which many in legal circles and at least one MP consider too lenient were discussed on the radio and whilst I don't know if the judge did take it into consideration, there was certainly an expectation that there would contain an element of deterrent to others.
This is perfectly normal, and is used where the judge feels it is necessary to send a message to others that the crime is serious and the punishment must reflect the crime.
As to them being 'high flyers', well that was not why she was given the same sentence. She was considered to have not just lied, but to have manipulated etc and that her claims for coercion were baseless.
These are people who were in positions of trust in the work that they did. They were paid for their 'expertise' because they were trusted and respected to be honest and law-abiding. They dealt with other people's lives and finances. They held positions of privilege, access and power.
So, when people in a position of trust are found to have abused that trust, to have done so willingly and complicitly, to have covered it up for years only revealing the crime in an act of revenge, and subsequently attempted to conceal, lie and manipulate the truth about their crimes, the sentence may well need to reflect the severity not only of the crime, but that these people had greater access to help cover up those crimes due to their positions in life.
Bear in mind that for years, many others knew about the original crime because she had talked about it to 'some friends' who were with her on the night in question, but all felt obliged to say nothing for whatever reason. Was that out of misguided loyalty or because they felt a degree of duress?
Then, and this may yet to prove another can of worms, she claims to have told, without care or concern for the recipients, a whole load of senior Govt people and/or their spouses about the whole saga, thereby putting them in a very difficult position - assuming it is true.
There may be an element of truth in this, but if she did not tell anyone, then she has continued to attempt to drag innocent people into this mess and this would be well after the initial shock of her marriage breaking down.
It smacks of someone attempting to manipulate others to leverage protection. She had access to those people in power who she sought to manipulate by dragging them into the whole mess.
What is truly appalling is all those with the same privilege and status bleating about how they 'didn't deserve' a custodial sentence and 'is this really the best use of the prison services to incarcerate two (insert ludicrously gushing terms) people of this standing'?
If these two had been let off with a suspended sentence, or given a CSO for a couple of hours a week, it would have opened the doors for loads of other criminals to seek far more lenient sentences and simply given the message that it's ok to break the law, lie, involve others putting them at risk, and get to keep your lovely lifestyle.
The other way to ask this - should those who are 3 sandwiches short of a picnic, on the bottom rung of society with no hope of ever moving up the ladder, who struggle to keep going, be given the same sentence for the same crime, because they're only going to sink further into the gutter.
These two will not only come out smelling of roses in 8 weeks, they'll already have their welcome home parties and new, reinvented lives ready to walk into.
13-03-2013 11:13 PM
#52.
Thanks for the info, I have not been following this particular case. 🙂
I just find it to be flawed that the higher your job status and your station in life the higher the tariff you pay for wrongdoing.
OK, let's forget about the ex-MP ( maybe he deserved a custodial sentence) (?), but does it mean that all "high-flyers" like VP should be sent to prison for "perverting the course of justice?"
And are a whole bunch of porkies more serious than one or two porkies?
I imagine the rationale is that you 'should know better' and particularly in the case of someone like an MP who has a privileged position. If you set yourself up in public office and get caught with your fingers in the till (MP's expenses) then expect harsh treatment.
In Huhne's case he lied consistently since 2011 and only owned up when he was threatened with exposure...
VP's mistake - imo - was that she would probably have got a custodial sentence had she quietly gone to the police and owned up, instead of going to two press people. The latter was her downfall.
13-05-2013 12:25 PM
Well, they're out already after serving only 25% of their sentences and she's looking to get back to the job she did before!
So, a mere blip in their lives and they can go back to everything they enjoyed before with cherries on the top, no doubt!
13-05-2013 3:18 PM
Well, they're out already after serving only 25% of their sentences and she's looking to get back to the job she did before!
So, a mere blip in their lives and they can go back to everything they enjoyed before with cherries on the top, no doubt!
A custodial sentence a mere blip :^O Get real!
If you or I, commit perjury or try to pass on speeding points, a prison sentence should be appropriate.
13-05-2013 3:30 PM
I see she still has that Psycho grin and didn't seem to have any remorse