04-09-2013 10:41 PM
This is the video that will make most parents squirm.
It's what happened when a man (vetted and given the job) tried to entice single boys and girls out of a Park or Swing area away from their parents. If you didn't see it earlier today on the News, take note and pass it on to all parents and other folk with responsibility over kids.
15-09-2013 2:22 PM
@upthecreekyetagain wrote:Last year there were 2,910 individuals prosecuted for rape - 1,840 were found not guilty and are therefore innocent - no problem with that
but . . . . .
. . . according to Ronny that means that at least 1,840 people were guilty of perverting the course of justice or at least wasting police time - yet just 35 were prosecuted for either offence!
Of course by Ronny's logic there is no need for a court case to find them guilty - the presumption of innocence can't possibly apply and they should all just be declared guilty
"1,840 people were guilty of perverting the course of justice or at least wasting police time - yet just 35 were prosecuted for either offence!"
Just 35, now that really is disgraceful.
"by Ronny's logic there is no need for a court case to find them guilty - the presumption of innocence can't possibly apply and they should all just be declared guilty"
But they were guilty of lying, when the Person they accused was found not to have committed the offences that they lied about. So.. yes! absolutely.
By my logic perhaps "compensation" might not be such an attraction, and maliciously false allegations would not be so prevalent. I once again refer to my earlier post about Germany.
15-09-2013 4:07 PM
@upthecreekyetagain wrote:
@tommy.irene wrote:upthecreekyetagain wrote......What the jury didn't decide was that the girl was lying - unless and until either the CPS brings a charge of perjury or perververting the course of justice AND she is found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt then she equally is innocent of any wrong doing..............Quote... the jury though the girl was lieing ..thats why he got of....if they had of believed her he would be in jail now..
What the jury decided was that they couldn't be sure beyond a reasonable doubt that the girl was telling the truth
What they did NOT decide was that they were sure beyond a reasonable doubt that the girl was lying
How difficult is it to see the difference? Obviously VERY for some!
What the jury decided was that they couldn't be sure beyond a reasonable doubt that the girl was telling the truth.////// .you twist your words..... No matter what is said he got of ..found not GUILTY....this thread is going round in circles
15-09-2013 5:53 PM
Now 17 years old, she told Manchester Crown Court that Le Vell, 48, had raped her while putting a teddy bear over her mouth to keep her quiet, allegedly telling her he was, ‘just getting rid of all the evil and bad inside me’.
The teenager said the memories ‘all came back to me in one big flush’ at the seminar. But last week the soap star, who has played garage mechanic Kevin Webster for 30 years,...................... walked free after a jury took just four hours to find him innocent of all charges.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2420854/Incredible-moment-girl-accused-Coronation-Street-act...
18-09-2013 5:30 PM
Hard luck Ron, but at least you will know how they come at you next time
I'm you fell for it though.
See you.
20-09-2013 2:27 PM
Woman is finally jailed after FIVE false rape allegations against her ex-boyfriends in eight years
, 20 September 2013
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2358759/Leanne-Black-finally-jailed-FIVE-false-rape-allegati...
20-09-2013 8:18 PM
Illustrates the point I have been making all along Tommy - where there is enough evidence to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that an alleged victim has lied then the CPS will prosecute - in most cases of course where the alleged attacker has been found not guilty of a sexual attack no case is brought against the accuser because they know the prosecution couldn't prove beyond a reasonable doubt that they had lied.
20-09-2013 8:50 PM
If I was walking down the street and witnessed Nick Giffin lob a brick through a mosque window and it went to court,but for whatever reason Nick Griffin was found not guilty,Does that make me a liar?
According to some peoples reasoning it does
20-09-2013 8:55 PM - edited 20-09-2013 9:00 PM
@tommy.irene wrote:Woman is finally jailed after FIVE false rape allegations against her ex-boyfriends in eight years
- Leanne Black, 32, falsely accused five partners of molesting her
- Escaped justice for eight years but has now been given two years in prison
- Judge tells her she has harmed genuine rape victims with her lies
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What would have happened if she had been believed..5 men would be in Jail.. why was she not charged when she lied the first time.. She should have got 10 years in jail..
20-09-2013 8:58 PM
@joe_bloggs* wrote:If I was walking down the street and witnessed Nick Giffin lob a brick through a mosque window and it went to court,but for whatever reason Nick Griffin was found not guilty,Does that make me a liar?
Yes it does as its your word against his and he was found not Guilty and you are a liar who dosent like Nick Giffin..
20-09-2013 9:31 PM
@tommy.irene wrote:
@tommy.irene wrote:Woman is finally jailed after FIVE false rape allegations against her ex-boyfriends in eight years
- Leanne Black, 32, falsely accused five partners of molesting her
- Escaped justice for eight years but has now been given two years in prison
- Judge tells her she has harmed genuine rape victims with her lies
,
What would have happened if she had been believed..5 men would be in Jail.. why was she not charged when she lied the first time.. She should have got 10 years in jail..
Presumably the CPS did not consider there was sufficient evidence to prosecute.
23-09-2013 2:17 PM
Paul O'Grady backs Corrie star Michael Le Vell and claims TV stars are hounded while corrupt sportsmen, politicians and bankers escape scrutiny
Paul O'Grady has spoken out in support of soap actor Michael Le Vell, who was recently cleared of sex abuse charges
Comedian Paul O'Grady has thrown his support behind soap star Michael Le Vell, claiming the Coronation Street actor has been the victim of a 'witch hunt'.
Le Vell was cleared of child sex charges just two weeks ago and O'Grady, the presenter of ITV's For The Love Of Dogs, called the claims made against the TV veteran 'completely false'.
He also said prominent sports stars get away with shocking behaviour while TV stars are relentlessly pursued.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2429750/Paul-OGrady-backs-Corrie-star-Michael-Le-Vell-says-T...
01-10-2013 11:31 AM
01-10-2013 4:26 PM - edited 01-10-2013 4:28 PM
@merehazle wrote:Hard luck Ron, but at least you will know how they come at you next time
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I'm
you fell for it though.
See you.
I still stand by my original assertions, and all the posts on here have only strengthened my point of view, and given it more credence.
Being found not guilty means "Not Guilty"
It does not mean anything other then that.
And if you are innocent, then your accuser has lied.
Unfortunately once you have been accused of something as horrendous as a sexual offence you are automatically stigmatized forever, and even if, and when a Court of Law finds you not guilty, the accuser is not cautioned, pilloried, blamed, call it what you will.
Perhaps there might not be false accusations if a not guilty verdict brought the full force of the law down, on the liars.
01-10-2013 5:26 PM
@ronnybabes wrote:
@merehazle wrote:Hard luck Ron, but at least you will know how they come at you next time
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I'm
you fell for it though.
See you.
I still stand by my original assertions, and all the posts on here have only strengthened my point of view, and given it more credence.
Being found not guilty means "Not Guilty"
It does not mean anything other then that.
And if you are innocent, then your accuser has lied.
Unfortunately once you have been accused of something as horrendous as a sexual offence you are automatically stigmatized forever, and even if, and when a Court of Law finds you not guilty, the accuser is not cautioned, pilloried, blamed, call it what you will.
Perhaps there might not be false accusations if a not guilty verdict brought the full force of the law down, on the liars.
WRONG !!!
It is EXACTLY that attitude that discourages so many victims of **bleep** from appearing in court as a prosecution witness.
On the one hand you are willing to support the legal system by accepting that an accused is innocent unles a jury finds them guilty beyond a reasonable doubt whilst at the same time refusing to give those same rights to an accuser.
01-10-2013 5:28 PM
The **bleep** in my previous post was the word R*A*P*E - why on Earth that word gets censored Lord only knows!!!!!!!!!!!!!
01-10-2013 8:07 PM - edited 01-10-2013 8:09 PM
@upthecreekyetagain wrote:
@ronnybabes wrote:
@merehazle wrote:Hard luck Ron, but at least you will know how they come at you next time
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I'm
you fell for it though.
See you.
I still stand by my original assertions, and all the posts on here have only strengthened my point of view, and given it more credence.
Being found not guilty means "Not Guilty"
It does not mean anything other then that.
And if you are innocent, then your accuser has lied.
Unfortunately once you have been accused of something as horrendous as a sexual offence you are automatically stigmatized forever, and even if, and when a Court of Law finds you not guilty, the accuser is not cautioned, pilloried, blamed, call it what you will.
Perhaps there might not be false accusations if a not guilty verdict brought the full force of the law down, on the liars.
WRONG !!!
It is EXACTLY that attitude that discourages so many victims of **bleep** from appearing in court as a prosecution witness.
On the one hand you are willing to support the legal system by accepting that an accused is innocent unles a jury finds them guilty beyond a reasonable doubt whilst at the same time refusing to give those same rights to an accuser.
Quick hypothetical scenario....
As happened to Michael le Vell you are falsely accused of a sexual offence by a family friend.
You are completely innocent.
You protest and protest, but are villified, and the stigma is firmly attached.
You are abused, bullied, taunted, and a lot worse.
Even friends doubt you.
Others keep their distance, they don't want to be seen associating with you.
Joy of joys - justice prevails you are found innocent. As you rightly are.
She lied obviously.......Because you did not do it, right?
So, if she lied it must be for the compensation. Why else?
Nothing happened, she lied. end of...
But now you find that although you are innocent, people say that might be so, but ..... she did not lie.
She was only telling the truth as she saw it.
Please don't tell me you would accept that.
Of course you wouldn't, even if you said you would.
You would, or should, be very angry. (putting it mildly)
Now.... If she did not lie then however you dress it up, you are not innocent.
However you have been found "not guilty" and completely exonerated.
So shout it out... She is a Liar". isn't she?
(End of hypothetical scenario)
01-10-2013 10:00 PM
Going back top my scenario of Nick Griffin and him being found not guilty,It does not make me a liar,Not guilty verdict does not automatically make someone innocent,it just means,as has been said the prosecution are unable to prove their case beyond a reasonable doubt
How many times have you seen the police being interviewed after a not guilty verdict and saying "we are not looking for anyone else in relation to this crime"
I don't know any lawyers but i wpould have a bet that most of them would agree with my highlighted points
01-10-2013 11:40 PM
Quick hypothetical scenario....
As happened to Michael le Vell you are falsely accused of a sexual offence by a family friend.
You arecompletely innocent.- you are either innocent or not - no degrees of innocence - anyone not tried and convicted of a crime is innocent - the whole basis of our legal system
You protest and protest, but are villified, and the stigma is firmly attached.
You are abused, bullied, taunted, and a lot worse.
Even friends doubt you.
Others keep their distance, they don't want to be seen associating with you.
Joy of joys - justice prevails you are found innocent.not guilty As you rightly are - no right or wrong about it - if the prosecution can't prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt then you are 'not guilty' - as with the presumption of innocence there is no half way house - you are either guilty or not guilty.
The accuser is prosecuted for attempting to pervert the course of justice
She protests and protests, but is villified, and the stigma is firmly attached etc etc
Joy of joys - justice prevails she is found 'not guilty'..
She lied obviously.......Because you did not do it, right?
I must have done it because she didn't lie, right?
NO - WRONG AND TWICE WRONG
A person in this country is innocent until found guilty and the accuser in the LeVell case has NOT been tried for any crime let alone found guilty - refusal to accept that undermines the very verdict in this case.
01-10-2013 11:51 PM
Time to go back and look at page one? Start at #10 and read on?
It's time to stop all these historical cases where there's no evidence apart from that of an accuser (or accusers).
Also, do a bit of research about Freud and see what thinking he introduced? His methods led to implanted false memory for a start. Also, anyone remember the Cleveland cases in the late 80's?
It's life Jim, but not as WE know it.
Live long and prosper.
01-10-2013 11:57 PM
I remember that CD,some doctor i think called Higgs falsely accussing parents of child abuse.It caused a huge stir in Cleveland.