Stuart Hall has been found guilty.

[merehazle]

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[spawnjohnuk]

unbelievable .

Bill Roache next.

[merehazle]

unbelievable .

Bill Roache next.

Hi spawn.

Not necessarily though spawn. If it is proven  of course?

[spawnjohnuk]

True,but I honestly expected mr Hall to be a not guilty...shocked me that.

hi mere btw hope your well 🙂

[cee-dee]

Just a point, he wasn't found guilty, he pleaded guilty.

[spawnjohnuk]

Unbelievable as I said ,he never came across as that sort and to deny it just to plead guilty makes no sense whatsoever...just goes to show you.

[merehazle]

Just a point, he wasn't found guilty, he pleaded guilty.

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That will do.  I think somehow he knew he was going to be found guilty.  

[spawnjohnuk]

What sentence is he getting ?

[merehazle]

What sentence is he getting ?

Yes:

He will be sentenced on the 17th of June.

The judge says sentencing options remain open including immediate custody. 

[electric*mayhem*band]

Whatever sentence he gets, that's his career over, and his reputation shot to ribbons. Not really certain, but maybe his age will go in his favour regarding a lighter sentence. It shouldn't IMO, but...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-22379286

[kiss*my*pixel]

I never did like Stuart Hall, always found him to be a bit suspect. I know, easy to say now, but there was always something about him that was a bit weird and creepy. Women's intuition? Maybe, but I was a huge fan of Gary Glitter, and look how he turned out :_|

Our local butcher always gave me the heebie-jeebies. Could never quite put my finger on it, but just something about him. He was a "fine, upstanding member of the Church" and everyone thought I was barmy. Turned out he was abusing his young apprentice lad (who had learning difficulties). He was found guilty and later committed suicide. Good riddance to him, but poor lad.

O/H and I have had a discussion about this today. William Roach has just been charged. O/H pipes up "Good grief, that was 40-odd years ago, how can it matter now?". :_|

Doesn't matter how many years ago, - that poor girl has been living with this all her life and afraid to speak out. If he's guilty, he's guilty and hopefully justice will be done.

Having said that, I'm not sure about names being bandied about before they are found guilty. If they are guilty, then they deserve all they get. If innocent, their names have been sullied and it would be difficult to pull yourself back from such an accusation.

[mr-expresso]

Having said that, I'm not sure about names being bandied about before they are found guilty. If they are guilty, then they deserve all they get. If innocent, their names have been sullied and it would be difficult to pull yourself back from such an accusation.

Exactly what I said to my wife last night...

IF 'Ken' is innocent they will always be a number of people who will think him guilty...

If I was charged with such an offence and then found innocent I could always move to get away from the wagging tongues....But where could a high profile actor go to.

I suppose he could move to Albert Square..the residents there wouldn't know him...

[upthecreekyetagain]

Anonymity for the accused is a difficult one.

If you look at the Stuart Hall case it was because a number of women, unconnected to each other, that came forward telling remarkably similar tales of their experience that he was "persuaded" to plead guilty. 

If his identity had not been revealed when first arrested it is possible that many of these women would have continued to remain silent and the truth would not have come out.

Looking at it from the other angle I would ask the question as to why the name of the victim is kept secret in such cases - after all we don't live in a third world country where women who are raped or assaulted have anything to be "ashamed" of. 

[tommy.irene]

[5129frederick]

I bet the media would just LOVE to dig up some smut about Cliff Richard or Harry Secomb.  The media are like that - they just love slinging dirt  It makes you wonder if anybody tied up in the entertainments world is straight.  Look at Jason Donovan for instance, or Frank Ifield - tch!  :_|

[merehazle]

I bet the media would just LOVE to dig up some smut about Cliff Richard or Harry Secomb.  The media are like that - they just love slinging dirt  It makes you wonder if anybody tied up in the entertainments world is straight.  Look at Jason Donovan for instance, or Frank Ifield - tch!  :_|

😮

That's a new word for it... SMUT!   I thought it was called indecently asulting 13 different girls? One aged 9. Just as well the media are like that, and that's hardly slinging dirt. He's GUILTY! 

[5129frederick]

The only reason he pleaded guilty was because he's probably already worn down at the prospect of having to defend himself thirteen times.  How long do you think that would drag on for, and at what cost?  By pleading guilty, he just wants to take his punishment like a man, and get on with his life, and also having to save the girls the ordeal of having his defence councel cross question them.  There is also the question of receiving a slightly lower sentance through saving court time.  The only real losers are his defence team who were hoping to drag the case out for as long as possible in order to make a killing.  I don't know how genuine half these cases are, but since this Jimmy Savile saga, there have been so many other cases all come to light at the same time, it's almost no longer front page news.

[algasmoon]

Creeky, re your last paragraph, I have to ask,  how on earth could it be right that a woman, or women, who have lived with being abused as a young girl, (in a lot of cases by a man who was friends with her parents and very famous) be subjected to being publicly named?? The psychological shadow of this all her life, their lives - and that of their parents would only have been bearable by the fact that it was most probably kept quiet about from everyone else's opinions and suppositions of blame.  HE chose to be famous and in the public eye, the abused women didnt. 😞  The only people who should know their identity are the lawyers and the police.

[upthecreekyetagain]

Algas - I was simply posing the question

The names of children, in my opinion, should always be kept out of reports because of the reaction of their peers.

When it comes to adults though I think the question should be asked.  There have been a number of threads in the past on here criticising quite rightly those societies which lay blame and shame on a woman who has been raped or sexually assaulted.

By saying that the names of women involved in such cases should be kept secret aren't we also implying that in our society there is also a level of shame attached to such cases ?:|

Something we should be ashamed of.

[al**bear]

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