Sky News???

[cee-dee]

Sky News, do you ever watch? There's a possibility it might close down:- 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-41909321

In recent times I find Sky News extremely boring, lacking in real news and dominated by Politics.

The two most boring, arrogant and pompous individuals are Adam Boulton and Faisal Islam. Virtually all politics is not newsworthy and I find Sky News content extremely biased.

They seem to have forgotten that "The News is......" The news is what's hapened but as far as Sky is concerned the news according to Sky is what they think, what they think is going to happen, what they think should happen and what they think whoever they're talking about should do all coupled with their opinion on the matter.

Heck, I sound like them?

[upthecreekyetagain]

Everyone in this country, from the lowest to the highest, is contributing to global warming - that is no argument against those who selflessly give up their time to highlight the dangers of climate change and attempting to persuade governments and others to tackle the crisis.

[joe_bloggs*]

"My belief is that apart from a few "dedicated" participants, the rest of them are just a bunch of trouble-makers hell-bent on promoting civil unrest and are really anti-government (of any ilk), anti-authority, anti-establishment, anti-rule of Law and are anti-everything they don't agree with. Given less than half a chance, they'd soon be on a destructive path and soon be looting wherever they'd broken in to!"

Totally agree,There's certainly some wrong uns amongst them !

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/extinction-rebellion-protests-boris-johnsons-father-stanley-says-...

[cee-dee]

Surely Man has been "contributing" to climate change since the dawn of time but it has accelerated since the Industrial Revolution.

"Selflessly giving up their time" eh? So that's OK to be selfishly disrupting the time of everyone else? I note one supposed protestor on a plane refusing to take his seat while sporting a mobile phone, was he live-streaming his actions like that other fool who was on the roof of another plane while he live-streamed his actions?

Didn't all that contribute to climate change far more than if they'd just stayed at home?

I think those protesters are really saying "Do as I say but I'm free to do as I do."

[upthecreekyetagain]

I'm a little lost with that response.

How was the guy on the plane being selfish?  What did he have to gain other than the likelihood of being arrested and possibly prosecuted?

Again you concede that man is contributing to climate change and that the change is accelerating - that most certainly is no reason to ignore what is happening - quite the contrary.

As to your final point, I've already put the argument that we all are contributing to climate change, one way or another.  That's hardly a reason not to try and do something about it by highlighting the crisis. 

[cee-dee]

Both those blokes, the one on top and the one inside the other plane were being selfish. They selfishly prevented a lot of other people from being allowed to get on with what they were supposed to be doing and needlessly delayed them.

No only that, they themselves contributed to the exact thing they were supposed to be "protesting" about in that they caused extra fuel to be burned by that plane having to return to the gate to get him off and the other by having to bring vehicles to the plane to get him off the roof.

That the Earth is warming up is undeniable BUT..... it's that big yellow thing up in the sky that's causing it. The Earth's orbit around the Sun only needs to shift a little to cause such a change and in the past it's happened many times before. The middle of America was covered by water at one time and at another time the Earth was almost completely covered by ice. Man wasn't around then!!!!

[al**bear]

When has 'Talking About it' ever worked

Direct action and massive demonstrations, seem to be the only thing leaders listen to

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Why is everybody so bothered about being late for work these Days

Every action in London you get the Interviews, with Idiots, who never even knew things were going to Happen, it had broadcast enough (eg Tube strikes)

Thatchers spawn - oh those nasty lefties are 'interfering in My little Cocoon

Oh Productivity will fall - In plain English. The Drones are not making Us enough Money

[al**bear]

I am NOT a Socialist btw - But was a very active Trade Unionist

[upthecreekyetagain]

You don't seem to understand the objective of protests.  Those individuals weren't trying to stop those specific planes from flying in order to prevent their emissions - the objective was to highlight the damage that aviation doubtlessly causes to our atmosphere.   How many NEED to fly compared to the number that CHOOSE to fly?

The whole point of these protests seem aimed at highlighting the choices people make and how the 'wrong' choice is truly selfish - I.e. behaving in a way that benefits themselves but harms others compared to those who are acting selflessly, acting in a way that causes potential harm to themselves with the aim of helping others.

I don't think you will find many scientists that would deny that the source of the heat that keeps the Earth warm comes from the Sun.  That's not the problem, nor will you find many scientists that say it is the Sun that is driving change.  

The consensus is that it is the change in the atmosphere which is causing climate change, trapping the heat rather than allowing it to escape.  This atmospheric change is measurable.

Indeed if factors such as orbit variations are causing more heat from the Sun to 'hit' the Earth then atmospheric changes have an even greater effect and it becomes even more imperative that man doesn't behave in a manner that causes yet more change but takes action to reverse the damage that has been caused.

[cee-dee]

The objective of their actions seems pretty clear = to stop those two planes flying and to cause the airport to close. The side effect would have been to stop emissions at that time, ie, they only delayed it until later.

I keep asking, "How did they get there"? Did they walk? Did they heck.

Why don't those silly people go and protest on a volcano and tell it not to cause so much pollution with it's emissions?

[lambsy_uk]

Well it appears we differ in views of when blackmail is wrong then. I’d suggest any such coercion is at least unsavoury.

[upthecreekyetagain]

They were trying to delay those planes certainly.  The aim though wasn't to stop the emissions coming from them specifically but to gain the publicity that would hopefully make some responsible people think twice,about flying in the future.

I very much doubt that they all walked there, how does that make their protest any less valid.  How many air travellers arrive at the airport on foot?  

Fortunately there are individuals who take the damage we are causing seriously and the more the question of climate change is discussed the more people there will be who might change their behaviour.  

There's little, if anything, we can do about volcanic emissions but are you suggesting there is nothing we can do about the emissions caused by man?  That's what your analogy seems to,suggest.

[cee-dee]

The ER people have been led astray by those who want to cause trouble and they latch on to any cause.

All the ER lot are doing now is to make themselves completely and severely unpopular, it won't further their cause.

Just WHERE do you stop with all this emissions lark? The real reason for it is overpopulation. From then on everything Man does causes something or other.

Their protest is less valid because they've added to the very thing they're moaning about. There'd be less of it if they'd all stayed at home.

There's no doubt that the most destructive force the Earth has ever seen is Man. However, the ER lot would never dare try such action in the countries taking "Go forth and multiply" literally.

[al**bear]

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@lambsy_uk wrote:
Well it appears we differ in views of when blackmail is wrong then. I’d suggest any such coercion is at least unsavoury.

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Like Thatchers Union and protest laws

[al**bear]

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@cee-dee wrote:

The ER people have been led astray by those who want to cause trouble and they latch on to any cause.

All the ER lot are doing now is to make themselves completely and severely unpopular, it won't further their cause.

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I've still to see the Anarchists or Direct Action - take part in ANY of the UK ER Demos

[cee-dee]

They're ALL anarchists all taking direct action.

[upthecreekyetagain]

Anarchists would hardly be 'demanding' that governments of the World take action!

[cee-dee]

Ah, but they have their own agenda. They know (really) that what they're demanding isn't possible so they're going to cause as much trouble and disruption as they can in places where they know they can get away with it.

[suzieseaside]

So cynical CD !

[cee-dee]

Might be, but true.

[upthecreekyetagain]

I wouldn't say that the demands are impossible - I would agree though that they are very unlikely to be met.

Individuals, corporations and governments simply aren't willing to take actions that would benefit the greater community but be detrimental to themselves - too many selfish people 😞