Shooting in Paris

This is horrible, getting the newscast 36 dead innocents 

 

 

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@artwisemills wrote:

@crafty.snapper wrote:

Do the people that write these petitions ever really consider what they are asking for?

 

 

 


I suppose they are asking for what the greater maority of people have been asking for many years - just as 4 million voted for in the last election! An end to these unwanted migrants, that alone will sound the death knell for the NHS!

 

Then again maybe others are quite happy to continue bringing in these animals that want to wreak carnage and enforce their medieval beliefs on all around them?


No, I don't think any one has been asking to stop ALL immigration as that petition does.

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Two points I'm having difficulty with:

 

1...A suicide bomber with an explosive belt blows himself to smithereens and yet his passport is found intact.

 

2...If I was a suicide bomber the last thing I would take on a mission is my passport.

 

Something smells fishy here.

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@mikes*corvettes wrote:

Two points I'm having difficulty with:

 

1...A suicide bomber with an explosive belt blows himself to smithereens and yet his passport is found intact.

 

2...If I was a suicide bomber the last thing I would take on a mission is my passport.

 

Something smells fishy here.



I imagine it's so he can be properly identified after his death, Mike and his family notified.


I shouldn't think they're allowed to tell anyone about what they are planning to do beforehand, least of all their families.


It could also be vanity maybe... wanting to go down in history as some kind of legendary "hero/martyr"?

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Remember this, it was only a month ago after all.Smiley Indifferent

 

 

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..........and with the Sheep, shall come the Wolves; hidden therein.........and they will kill many.

 
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@evoman3957 wrote:

Remember this, it was only a month ago after all.Smiley Indifferent

 

 

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..........and with the Sheep, shall come the Wolves; hidden therein.........and they will kill many.

 

Are you suggesting that if the Syrian refugees hadn't been able to enter Europe these attacks wouldn't have happened ???

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Well you'd have to be the dumbest *bleep* on the Planet, not to realize that ISIS have always said they would get their extremists into Europe and there has been no better opportunity than to plant them among the millions that have already come. Germany have taken 800,000 this Year alone and as has been mentioned before, many have discarded their papers; so they can't be traced so easily and deported if they are found to not be genuine..............and please don't give me the bleeding hearts bit about "so we are not supposed to take any and penalise the many for the few"..........the few just killed 130 people, in case you hadn't noticed.........but of course as long as it's not the do gooders that's alright isn't it. I made a statement of fact and we are now looking at 130 corpses proving it to have been fulfilled.

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Don't deny any of the above - but do you believe the attacks in Paris wouldn't have happened had there not been the opportunity for one of the attackers to sneak in with the refugees?

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Yes.......especially considering that the one that came in, may have been the coordinator and not necessarily have taken part. One, for sure, held a Syrian passport and came in through Macedonia, Turkey or Lesbos. I have no doubt, there are now cells throughout Europe and perhaps the same coordinator, will orchestrate further atrocities.

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@upthecreekyetagain wrote:

@evoman3957 wrote:

Remember this, it was only a month ago after all.Smiley Indifferent

 

 

 
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..........and with the Sheep, shall come the Wolves; hidden therein.........and they will kill many.

 

Are you suggesting that if the Syrian refugees hadn't been able to enter Europe these attacks wouldn't have happened ???


From the BBC website tonight......

 

One of the attackers, born in 1985, was from a Parisian suburb. He was known for petty crimes committed between 2004 and 2006. Intelligence services reported that he was radicalised in 2010 but he was not known to be part of any network.

 

An Egyptian passport was found on one of the attackers at the Stade de France, police sources told the French newspaper Le Parisien

 

A second passport belonging to a Syrian, who was born in 1990, was also discovered. He was not known to French intelligence authorities. The holder of the Syrian passport found at the scene crossed into the European Union through the Greek island of Leros in October, a Greek Government minister has said.

 

 

 

The French Government haven't confirmed the Greek statement, but would anyone be surprised if this was the case?

 

 

 

 

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Will be interesting to refer back to this post as more is learned about the identities of those carrying out and planning the attack.

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@*.*..lola..*.* wrote:

I imagine it's so he can be properly identified after his death, Mike and his family notified.


I shouldn't think they're allowed to tell anyone about what they are planning to do beforehand, least of all their families.


It could also be vanity maybe... wanting to go down in history as some kind of legendary "hero/martyr"?


 

Lola, as far as I'm aware they make video recordings for their families and once they've completed their mission these are given to them and then aired on the internet and TV, I find it peculiar that at least two carried passports which would have given them away if they were caught before deployment.


 

 

@upthecreekyetagain wrote:

Don't deny any of the above - but do you believe the attacks in Paris wouldn't have happened had there not been the opportunity for one of the attackers to sneak in with the refugees?


 

Not at all, as at least one was home grown, but prevention is better than cure and the less suspects the authorities have to keep tabs on the less chance there is of an outrage like this to happen.

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It's not yet clear where the attackers came from, or even if that passport belonged to the suicide bomber..

 

However, there is no official confirmation the holder of the passport and the individual who attacked the French stadium are the same man.


Another man, identified by as a French national after police officers ran his fingerprints, and implicated as one of the Bataclan attackers, allegedly grew up in Courcouronnes, a suburb south of Paris.


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/paris-terror-what-do-we-know-about-the-attackers-a673...

 

I have no doubts that extremists have and will come into Europe with genuine refugees, but neither have I any doubts about there being enough in situ anyway to cause serious bloodshed.

 

 

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I should add that’s not to say that I don’t think the number of ISIL terrorists coming in with refugees isn’t a big problem. I do, I think it is a major concern, and it’s scary.

 

I agree with mikes* that the fewer suspects we need to keep tabs on the better. But I have no idea as to how this very real threat can be dealt with in a practical sense.

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"...The French government haven't confirmed the Greek statement, but would anyone be surprised if this was the case?..."

 

I, for one, yes ! What would surprise me however is someone declaring :

"Good morning, here's my passport, I'm an IS terrorist planning to carry out carnage in the EU...could you please let me through..."

 

So he may have passed through Leros, amongst the thousands...the next one(s) may well pass through a location in Italy, Austria or wherever !

 

Pointing fingers after this dreadful tragedy is easy to do, but Greece should not be the recipient ! Would-be-suicide bombers at present congregate in a country which is outside the EU ! That's where thorough checks should be made, and financial assistance for this purpose provided !

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Just had a look at the petition and 285,500 people have signed it.

The thing is will anything be done about it ! I doubt it very much as all the government need do is consider it for debate then say no it does not need debating and we will just carry on as before.

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Wouldn't it be a good idea to change "the rules" on assylum so that refugees can only claim assylum in the first country they get to?

 

As to the passport question, like has already been said, as soon as the news about it broke I thought that there's no "guarantee" yet that it belongs to the bomber, the news media should wait before jumping in to reporting every bit of tittle-tattle.



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@vasos92 wrote:

"...The French government haven't confirmed the Greek statement, but would anyone be surprised if this was the case?..."

 

I, for one, yes ! What would surprise me however is someone declaring :

"Good morning, here's my passport, I'm an IS terrorist planning to carry out carnage in the EU...could you please let me through..."

 

So he may have passed through Leros, amongst the thousands...the next one(s) may well pass through a location in Italy, Austria or wherever !

 

Pointing fingers after this dreadful tragedy is easy to do, but Greece should not be the recipient ! Would-be-suicide bombers at present congregate in a country which is outside the EU ! That's where thorough checks should be made, and financial assistance for this purpose provided !


I think the point being missed here is that this enormous movement of people throughout the EU is the whole crux of the problem.

The core value that Merkel wants to enforce with an iron hand is the right of EU citizens to travel anywhere within the EU freely.

This will prove to be the downfall of the EU - that is why so many countries are now finally backpeddling and trying to put up fences and stop migrants entering the EU to gain access to any member state within. Had this been done sooner then this atrocity in Paris may not have happened!

No one is blaming Greece for anything - infact I for one feel sorry for some of these small islands and towns that have been overwhelmed by more people than their existing towns population. There are similar examples of towns being overwhelmed in Germany and their has been a growing voice against accepting this endless stream of migrants.

 

With regard to the migrants themselves, they are coming from all over, North Africa, Middle East and Eastern Europe. All 'supposedly' from war torn regions of the world, but thats not true is it? Many of these people are coming purely for a better life and 'using' the EU as an access point to their choice of country within the EU! So they register in Germany and then pop over to the France and end up in the UK! Who has got the best medical facilities and benefit system??? Anyone noticed the overwhelming number of men? Strange isn't it - where are the women???

 

This continued movement of people must be stopped - until we've regained control of our borders and stopped this constant and growing threat from these ISIS animals who are spreading like a disease in our midst. Why don't we all stop imagining there are not many of these people - just heard that there were 700 KNOWN people who travelled back to Syria this year. Theresa May say's we check each individual as they return and decide if they should be prosecuted - wow thats really going to do some good isn't it!

 

Stop all immigration and close the UK borders until ISIS is defeated.

sign the petition now and lets make a start to getting rid of this disease from this country! Nearly 300,000 people have signed now and its rising at 7,700 an hour, sorry its now 8,000 an hour and rising fast!

 

It's not a knee jerk reaction, it's something we should have done over 10 years ago when Blair took us into wars that were nothing to do with us and now we are paying the price! JUST HEARD AS I TYPE THAT 27% OF MUSLIMS IN THE UK HAVE SYMPATHY WITH ISIS - Source a BBC Poll after Charlie Hebdo attack!

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"Anyone noticed the overwhelming number of men? Strange isn't it - where are the women???"

 

When the men get here and have claimed assylum, they bring in wives, children, parents, grandparents, Uncle Tom Cobbly and all!



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goldenwonders wrote:

 

Stop all immigration and close the UK borders until ISIS is defeated.

sign the petition now and lets make a start to getting rid of this disease from this country! Nearly 300,000 people have signed now and its rising at 7,700 an hour, sorry its now 8,000 an hour and rising fast!

 

Again I state, has anyone actually considered what that petition is asking for?

 

No one wants to stop all immegration. Consider for a moment what would happen if that happened, and all other countries did the same.

 

 

 

JUST HEARD AS I TYPE THAT 27% OF MUSLIMS IN THE UK HAVE SYMPATHY WITH ISIS - Source a BBC Poll after Charlie Hebdo attack!

 

 

Again, a lack of comprehension shows.  It refered to people polled, not all Muslims.  What I would want to know is where these people were based, and also how the questions were phrased. The statement in itself is meaningless. Use and abuse of statistics is a common tool for propaganda.


 

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Disraeli said "There are lies, damned lies and then there are statistics"



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