Shaun Ryder?

[cee-dee]

Have you watched the first programme? No? Me neither!

When I saw the (umpteen) trailers for the programme it made me determined not to watch it because the subject matter was bad enough but the demenour of the "presenter" was a definite no-no.

It seems I wasn't wrong as my misgivings seem to have been borne out by the writer of this review:-

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/tv-and-radio-reviews/10435859/Shaun-Ryder-on-UFOs-Hist...

When I saw the very first trailer I thought of our old friend IKWIS (I Know What I Saw) and had fond memories of the RT threads on the subject of years back. Time IKWIS put in an appearance I think? Here he is:-

Now in these days of cameras and camera phones everywhere, why is it that there's not loads of good, clear pics of the things people insist on refering to as "UFO's" when they really mean "alien spacecraft"?

Now I'm not saying there's no other intelligent forms of life in the Universe because there's billions of Stars and on the balance of probabilities there's bound to be other Planets like ours on which life forms exist and some of them are bound to be intelligent.

What I am saying is that if there are intelligent forms of life capable of space travel, they must have better knowledge than us. That being so, why would they come here unless they either wanted to say "Hello" or wanted something from this Planet?

Now we have only had a technological age for a short time but at the moment we can find out all sorts of things at great distances from Stars and Star systems so don't you think an alien form of life at least as intelligent as us would have the same capability?

A much further advanced bunch of aliens would have greater/better capability and would only want to come here if they wanted something, be that contact or some material or other.

We've been throwing out radio signals for 100 years letting aliens "out there" know we're here but up to now there's been no contact? Why not?

As to the "sightings" of "UFO's", what people have seen are certainly unidentified but as to them being alien spacecraft, it's not logical.

Half-seen objects and lights-in-the-sky are all deemed to be such craft but most are aircraft and the rest a jumbled mass of reflections, Moon-dogs, Sun-dogs, Meteors and mirages aided and abetted by cloud formations.

After all this time, you'd think that if such craft existed, by now, someone, somewhere would have come up with some really good pics or video and settled any argument about their particular sighting?

[saasher2012]

Hi CD, now I know nothing about this subject but I looked in at link you put in& after I picked myself up of the floor because I was laughing so much I felt compelled to reply. Did you look at the guy in the picture on your link ,please do so! His ears!! Now if that's not a Vulcan , I don't know what is, will close now as I feel another burst of hysteria coming on.

[cee-dee]

So, we don't have any Shaun Ryder fans or UFO seekers on the RT these days?

[charliebird123]

CD i think people are reluctant to post now because of the resident bully boys{we all know who they are) the reason this place is dead.

I'm close to giving up.

[blackburn_stevie]

You want an opinion, CD?

OK, here's my take on the subject of UFOs.

I believe that life exists outside of planet Earth. Logic tells me that this is so. Just look at the facts. There are billions and billions of suns out there. If each sun has an average of 4 planets revolving round it and only 1/10th of 1% of those planets are suitable to sustain some kind of life, then there are roughly 600,000 planets out there that have life of some form or other on them. These life forms could be anything from a single celled bug to a civilisation far in advance of ours.

Next point .....

Why would an alien with the capability of space travel visit Earth?

Before I give my opinion which you will probably all scoff at, let me ask a question. 

Why do UFOs only ever seem to fly into our air space as single craft?

Nobody ever says, "I saw about 50 UFOs all flying in formation." do they?

**Stand by to scoff**

The single craft often seen in our skies, if genuine, could be aliens on holiday. I mean, think about it. Think about the first Matabele warrior that saw a white man from a distance and went back to his village to report what he had seen.

"You saw a man with white skin? had you been at the millet beer?" But nowadays lots of white folk go to Africa on Safari holidays and the Matabele now know that there are such things as white men. The only two differences are location and scale.

Cheers,

Steve

[saasher2012]

As I have said in first posting, I know nothing about this subject, so this is just my own opinion. The human race is supposed to be a superior all thinking all knowing breed, I haven't to my knowledge seen a U FO. As to other planets having life, why not! It has been proven that Mars did have, & what do we class as life?. I deal in facts, even so I would like to think we are not alone in our little world.

[the-geezer]

Wonders if there is intelligent life on this planet, let alone 'out there'.

[saasher2012]

That's a good point, why do we think we are more intelligent than other beings? Perhaps they took a look at how we behave & thought better of it! Why do we presume the signals we send out are being understood by other forms of life?

[mepixin12]

Hi sasher I really have to question your "species definition".....vulcan? hm..... me thinks not, Nosferatu bat category perhaps? 

I don't think there are alien space vehicles in the sky, perhaps our own science/engineer geeks at work on new technology.

 

[saasher2012]

Hi, I stand corrected & bow down to your superior knowledge of alien species! In my defence, after seeing his ears & with the onset of uncontrollable hysteria & profuse laughter tears that obscured my view I can see I should have got my facts right, I apologise unreservedly. Sam

[mepixin12]

No worries kid, watch n learn I knows my bats ROFL

[saasher2012]

I await that with pleasure!

[mepixin12]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKm5xQyD2vE

[cee-dee]

Ha ha.........

Anyway, I'm pleased to see a few posts.

As I said in my OP, on the balance of probabilities, there's other Planets with life. Taking in to consideration the billions of Stars we can see and forgetting for a moment that there are probably billions and billions more that we can't see (yet), there's BOUND to be many, many other Stars with a Planet in the Goldilocks zone and of those, it's beyond credibility that we're the only intelligent (???) form of life in the known Universe.

That said, the vast distances involved means that we (or they) need a much faster speed of travel than the speed of light, to get anywhere in a reasonable time, the speed of light is too slow.

OK, so we've no idea how to do that YET, or if it's possible and I know the argument will be put forward that we've no idea what impossible things will be possible in the future but to travel beyond the speed of light we'd have to invent many other things like, perhaps "shields"....... Startrek, "Shields up"?????

Again, OK, so if 100 years ago someone had produced a futuristic drawing of a jumbo jet and claimed that within the next century, hundreds of people would be travelling through the skies in it, they'd most likely have been carted off to the local assylum..... BUT, be that as it may, we're talking (We are aren't we?) about UFOs in our skies right now.

If some advanced beings from somewhere "out there" were capable of vast distance space exploration, they'd also be capable of vast distance space investigation.

At the moment, we have satellites capable of viewing the Earth in great detail, even the crude google satellite images are an indication of what a life form with some intelligence can produce and we've only had a technological capability for a short time so imagine what could be seen by a life form just 100 years in advance of us?

Soooooo, if you're one of these advanced life forms and have the above capability, why would you need to travel to view this Planet whether you're "on holiday" or part of a scientific/investigative program? You could see or find out all you wanted to see from way, way out, there'd be no need to come close at all.

Now we humans are curious, I guess other intelligent life forms are the same otherwise they wouldn't be "advanced" enough to venture this way so having found their way here, long, long before they "came in to view" they'd make contact and would want to meet us.

They've not made contact and they've not met us. We've no concrete evidence that they've been in our neck of the woods and we've no concrete evidence that they ever have been here.

OK, so there's been some very strange things done on this Earth, things which we'd have difficulty doing even today but that's no reason to say whoever did those things "must have had alien help"?

I was thinking there about the massive stones at Baalbek. How were they shifted?

Now old-hand RTers will know of my interest in Sumer and the writings they left. They said people from "out there" came here but that's all we have = what they wrote. I've asked many times, "Why did they write such stuff if it wasn't true? Where did they get the idea from?"

The thing is, we have the Sumerian writings but nothing else. There's no artifacts left by people from "out there".

Another argument I'd put forward is that if some advanced people came here, why would they build with huge stones? Do we build massive structures today? YES. Do we use massive stones? NO.

We use metal and a conglomerate formed by mixing aggregates with a binder (cement) and provoking a chemical reaction. Don't you think that any advanced life form would produce something similar? Where's the metal remnants? Where's any reconstituted ceramics?

Sooooo, it's back to you for discussion.

[mepixin12]

Good questions CD, as to travel and assuming "they" are out there hypothetically, and great distances away, they would firstly require a huge power source of some sort or..... be able to bend it like Becham.... 

So perhaps another track would be, hypothetically of course, to be able to use "Time Slip" to their advantage? Could possibly be the answer to our limited travel into deep space?

We can actually observe this warping of space-time, produced by the mass of the Sun, and see the slight bending of light or radio waves, passing close to the Sun.

There have been several convincing occurrences mentioned.

http://www.charleslindbergh.com/history/timeline.asp

http://www.labyrinthina.com/electronicfog.htm

[saasher2012]

Just a thought & please shoot me down in flames, why do we assume other life is as advanced or more advanced as we are? We know in the scheme of things the earth in evolution terms is still in its infancy, could it not be that other planets are the same or still at the bacteria stage?

[cee-dee]

Yes Sam, quite so but if they were, they wouldn't be flying here providing entertainment for UFOlogists.

[mepixin12]

Could be sash... just like a petri dish perhaps...1,2,3.....

or they could be hanging around your sink right at this moment yeuck!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xUYjVIgOdQ

[saasher2012]

Point takenCD, what's your view on people who report seeing strange shapes& then a beam of light takes them on board the UFO, " to experiment on them" why are there never any witnesses is it random selection or what?

[saasher2012]

OMG. They didn't put that on my Cillet Bang sink cleaner bottle!