OK, in or out?

How about an RT poll?

 

No reasons, no argument, no debate just a straightforward IN or OUT.

 

Me? OUT.



It's life Jim, but not as WE know it.
Live long and prosper.

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Legislation concerning font size has been brought about due to the increasingly small typeface used by some as UTCYA has said, so imposing a size is not a bad thing. What I find more concerning is the desire from some quarters to adorn every consumer product with what is tantamout to a data sheet or COSHH sheet.Recent Food industry regulations have developed this trend despite there being few obvious benefits to be gained. Then there is the question of cleaning materials, even the Victorians went to some lengths to identify poisonous liquids by making the bottles in a specific colour and adding ridges which assisted the visually impaired, sensible of them. Today an employer is duty bound to have a COSHH and data sheet for every product be it hand wash, furniture polish, wet wipes or bloo loo!!! this despite the information carried on the product. Madness Utter Madness.

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@fallen-archie wrote:

 'even the Victorians went to some lengths to identify poisonous liquids by making the bottles in a specific colour and adding ridges which assisted the visually impaired, sensible of them'.


Pity they weren't as conscientious about the warning in the use of arsenic in the manufacture of their wallpapers. Because the 'en trend' colour was green at one stage, dear old ladies of independent means were dropping like flies in their drawing rooms.

 

And speaking of flies, their fly-papers were heavily impregnated with it also.

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Not just pie manufacturers in the North East but all manufacturers of prepared foodstuffs.

Regulation (EU) No 1169/2011 specifies minimum font sizes for the list of ingredients on the packaging - no bad thing in my opinion - some lists are printed in such tiny fonts they are virtually impossible to read - comes into effect in December this year.


I find a simple magnifiying glass an effective tool for reading the small print on packaging. Available from all branches of Wilkos, and good Pound shops everywhere.

 

Have the EU Mandarins issued an edict on the size of newspaper print, or the numbers on your frond door, do you know ? If not, I'm sure they'll get round to it eventually.

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Here's a prediction:-

 

It won't matter which way the vote goes, people will use the result to increase prices.

 

If the result is to leave, they'll say "Told you so, leaving the EU has cost us more to produce, transport and sell our goods".

 

If the result is to remain, they'll say "See, being in the EU with all it's rules and regulations is costing us money to deal with it all".



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What do I care, I'll be long gone; but ultimately the Human Race will get what it deserves........and it won't live forever !!

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I think i have the capacity somewhere in my thick head to make my own mind up on the in / out vote, despite being fed total bullhangers from both sides of the political debate.

 

One thing i have learned from this debate? is that the people who run this country are wholely unfit to do so,, they are a disgrace.

 

it should be are democratic right to be given the honest facts from both sides of the argument, not scare stories ranging from an alien invasion from planet zog, to your home collapsing into a huge sink hole the size of the entire planet.

 

Personally i do not need a porcus porca plunderer to tell me what i can see with my own two eyes.

 

 

OUT

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Sad, isn't it, that altruism should have become a cover word for greed, deviousness & corruption...........from politicians to paedophile roman catholic priests; nothing's sacred or to be trusted any more. The only people who are never disappointed any more, are misanthropists.

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All the new claims about what leaving the EU would mean can't be true because if they were, they'd have been mentioned at the outset so all the new claims must be being dreamed up and promoted as fact because the previous claims are "not working"?

 

Far from converting waverers to vote to stay in, I think they'e seeing through all these hypothetical claims.



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Its great to listen to all the lies , from both sides , Im voting ......... OUT ......... We tried IN and it didnt work.....

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@baybizz wrote:

 

 

Im all for that.

 

 


 

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Funny, I got an error message on this thread a while back.



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I  heart THE BREXIT CAMPAIGN.

 

http://www.voteleavetakecontrol.org/our_case

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I also got an error message on the Gif thread  Smiley Surprised


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OUT

Diplomacy is the ability to tell someone to go to hell in such a way that they look forward to the trip.
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Not to go about it too much, because I know how boring so many people find it; but we are going to have to vote on the matter quite soon. I am now being told by the following exemplary, wonderful & admirable human beings, that to leave the EU would be disastrous.

 

1. The head of Morgan Chase Bank.............One of the banks that were in the thick of the banking crisis of 2008, that we are all still paying for ( in case anybody has forgotten ).  THIS Morgan Chase Bank ( from Wikipedia ).....and there's so much more I couldn't list it.

 

Controversies Conflicts of interest on investment research

In December 2002, Chase paid fines totaling $80 million, with the amount split between the states and the federal government. The fines were part of a settlement involving charges that ten banks, including Chase, deceived investors with biased research. The total settlement with the ten banks was $1.4 billion. The settlement required that the banks separate investment banking from research, and ban any allocation of IPO shares.[64]

Enron

Main article: Enron scandal

Chase paid out over $2 billion in fines and legal settlements for their role in financing Enron Corporation with aiding and abetting Enron Corp.'s securities fraud, which collapsed amid a financial scandal in 2001.[65] In 2003, Chase paid $160 million in fines and penalties to settle claims by the Securities and Exchange Commission and the Manhattan district attorney’s office. In 2005, Chase paid $2.2 billion to settle a lawsuit filed by investors in Enron.[66]

WorldCom

JPMorgan Chase, which helped underwrite $15.4 billion of WorldCom's bonds, agreed in March 2005 to pay $2 billion; that was 46 percent, or $630 million, more than it would have paid had it accepted an investor offer in May 2004 of $1.37 billion. J.P. Morgan was the last big lender to settle. Its payment is the second largest in the case, exceeded only by the $2.6 billion accord reached in 2004 by Citigroup.[67] In March 2005, 16 of WorldCom's 17 former underwriters reached settlements with the investors.[68][69]

Jefferson County, Alabama

In November 2009, JPMorgan Chase & Co. agreed to a $722 million settlement with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission to end a probe into sales of derivatives that helped push Alabama’s most populous county to the brink of bankruptcy. The settlement came a week after Birmingham, Alabama Mayor Larry Langford was convicted on 60 counts of bribery, money laundering, and tax evasion related to bond swaps for Jefferson County, Alabama. The SEC alleged that J.P. Morgan, which had been chosen by the county commissioners to underwrite the floating-rate sewer bond deals and provide interest-rate swaps, had made undisclosed payments to close friends of the commissioners in exchange for the deal. J.P. Morgan then allegedly made up for the costs by charging higher interest rates on the swaps.[70]

Failure to comply with client money rules in the UK

In June 2010, J.P. Morgan Securities was fined a record £33.32 million ($49.12 million) by the UK Financial Services Authority (FSA) for failing to protect an average of £5.5 billion of clients' money from 2002 to 2009.[71][72] FSA requires financial firms to keep clients' funds in separate accounts to protect the clients in case such firm becomes insolvent. The firm had failed to properly segregate client funds from corporate funds following the merger of Chase and J.P. Morgan, resulting in a violation of FSA regulations but no losses to clients. The clients' funds would have been at risk had the firm become insolvent during this period.[73] J.P. Morgan Securities reported the incident to the FSA, corrected the errors, and cooperated in the ensuing investigation, resulting in the fine being reduced 30% from an original amount of £47.6 million.

 

 

2. No less than David Cameron himself ( our esteemed Prime Minister )...........the man who said before the last election, that he was going to get immigration down to the tens of thousands........" NO IF'S AND NO BUTS " knowing damn well that he could NEVER keep that promise.

The same man who says that if we leave the EU, people will leave here to find work in the EU........that's the same EU where youth unemployment in Spain, Italy & other EU countries is running at over 40% and over 50% in many eastern European countries.

The same magician, who pulled fresh air out of a hat, after his EU re-negotiations, saying he'd got things ( we already had ) but none of the things he said he'd get.

 

3. Senior American politicians, including president Obama himself.

This is the country that imprisons ALL suspected terrorists, without trial, hearings, or enough proof to take to a court; in Guantanamo Bay.........and leaves then there to rot!!  While WE can't get rid of a KNOWN terrorist in ABU HAMZA ( Hook to his friends ).....remember him.....because the European court of human rights wanted proof he wouldn't be subjected to abuse in his homeland of Jordan. We did eventually get those assurances and he was deported, but how many others like him have we been stuck with.

 

I am sick of being patronised & lectured to, by low life, Hypocrite, Scum bag, Bums ( in and out of suits ) who would sell there own mothers for profit, power or expediency..........and I want nothing to do with others, who want to control my country; by whatever means possible, for their OWN benefit !!!

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Thanks for that info Evo, and it's not boring at all.....that's the stuff that everyone should be considering. We are on the last lap now...and Dave is beginning to look a bit scared. Funny how none of the Remainians want to talk about immigration, and keep harping back to their preferred financial fear hyperbole. I had a discussion with my youngest grand-daughter (23) about it today....I am amazed at how much they want to know about it, because they want to do what they feel is the right thing. I have four eligible to vote, and I think I have managed to brainwash  win over two of them. I have suggested that if they are undecided on the day, then they must go with their gut feeling, whatever that may be. 

Is anyone here wavering.......Personally I still intend to vote OUT.

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Me too.
Diplomacy is the ability to tell someone to go to hell in such a way that they look forward to the trip.
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@ evoman: re the 2008 financial scandal, I am just reading Gillian Tett's "Fool's Gold" - a recommended read:

www.ebay.co.uk/fools-gold-tett

 

 

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