13-04-2014 6:49 AM
Pay back my £130,000 legal bill, says Deputy Speaker after being cleared of **bleep** as he blasts 'callous witch-hunt' and admits he contemplated suicide
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2603350/Pay-130-000-legal-bill-says-Deputy-Speaker-cleared-*...
13-04-2014 7:34 AM
He should be happy he got away with it
13-04-2014 8:14 AM
So he is down £130,000 and found not guilty of **bleep** and sexual assault
and his reputation is ruined forever and he should be happy?
Can you please explain that?
13-04-2014 8:54 AM
I wouldn't agree about historic accusations but he certainly has a point about his costs.
13-04-2014 9:39 AM
I still say, If he had been accused of the same things against females, he would have been found guilty
13-04-2014 10:51 AM
Based on what?
13-04-2014 11:09 AM
I think juries are becoming aware of the situation where the "evidence" is purely accusatory without anything else to back it up.
The "balance of probabilities" doesn't figure in criminal cases and although you may "think" one of these high-flying defendents is "probably" guilty of something, there's absolutely no evidence to prove it beyond reasonable doubt.
What someone says isn't evidence, it's only a pointer to real evidence which not only proves what they say is true, it also proves the guilt of the accused. If there's no other evidence then it's high time the CPS stopped wasting Public Money on such cases which are doomed to fail.
If we go down the road of just accepting that what an accuser says is true and accept that it "proves" the guilt of the defendent, there's no real hope for justice.
It's life Jim, but not as WE know it.
Live long and prosper.
13-04-2014 11:28 AM - edited 13-04-2014 11:30 AM
£130,000 is a lot of money to pay out and then not get anything back... I hope he wins his case and gets the money. Going back around 50 years ago shouldnt be allowed either..
13-04-2014 11:59 AM
13-04-2014 3:18 PM
Evans could take the view that his money paid for the best defense which as a result the jury came back with a not guilty verdict. Had he had a lesser defense maybe that would not have been the result... I know losing his savings must be hard but better that and be a free man than having to spend time in prison (possibly). At least he's cleared his name. He may have lost his job as deputy speaker but he's still an MP with an income. Many people lose the roof over their heads - and more - defending themselves.
I don't think he should be reimbursed his costs, that would open the flood gates for everyone else who had a "not guilty" verdict. It's our taxes that support the legal aid process and I don't want my money going back to people who can afford to pay for their own defense. Legal aid is there to represent people who can't pay and so it should be.
Like many people who have experienced difficulties in their lives he needs to take time to recover and put it behind him and think about his future. He could stop drinking for a start as that seems to be his achilles heel.
13-04-2014 4:00 PM
@lhasa.one wrote:Evans could take the view that his money paid for the best defense which as a result the jury came back with a not guilty verdict. Had he had a lesser defense maybe that would not have been the result... I know losing his savings must be hard but better that and be a free man than having to spend time in prison (possibly). At least he's cleared his name. He may have lost his job as deputy speaker but he's still an MP with an income. Many people lose the roof over their heads - and more - defending themselves.
I don't think he should be reimbursed his costs, that would open the flood gates for everyone else who had a "not guilty" verdict. It's our taxes that support the legal aid process and I don't want my money going back to people who can afford to pay for their own defense. Legal aid is there to represent people who can't pay and so it should be.
I agree ..but if your found not guilty you should get back you legal fee,s..
13-04-2014 8:04 PM
The reason he was faced with having to incur those costs was because the CPS used a top barrister to attempt to win and he could not rely on whatever (and inevitably lesser) representation that would have been provided if he'd used the legal aid service he could have used.
The other aspect of this trial which is really quite disturbing is that only 2 of those witnesses came forward to make a complaint. The others were identified and approached by the police to be asked to give 'evidence' against him.
Surely, if the complaints of the original two were sound and sufficient, then the charges could have stood with them alone, without the police having to go rustling up more people to add to the complaint. It's like something out of a Dickens novel.
The police have messed up with so many cases in leading the evidence and statements and it's really now long overdue that their role in attempting to secure a conviction at any cost has to be reviewed.
Whilst no-one would be happy to think of an abuser or criminal going free, the sad fact is that these high profile cases are doing scant good to help with all the possibly thousands of cases where the victims remain too scared to come forward.
13-04-2014 8:17 PM
You're right, it's bound to put off some people from complaining.
What should come over loud and clear is to complain at the time, not years later.
It's life Jim, but not as WE know it.
Live long and prosper.
13-04-2014 10:58 PM
As someone commented in the Guardian:
The Tories have slashed legal aid and passed a law that denies an acquitted defendant his costs... A tax on innocence... Now the sheep bleat because one of their own has lost his life savings.... Evans chaired the debate on the legal aid reforms... You couldn't make it up... We have a bunch of venal shysters running this country who only give a damn when their laws impinge on them....
14-04-2014 12:19 AM
14-04-2014 6:41 AM
@paulwyb123 wrote:
Based on what?
The evidence against Him
(not including the **bleep** charge though)
14-04-2014 7:24 AM
What evidence?
If it was credible he would have been found guilty..
Just being accused doesn't make someone guilty it just makes them
accused
14-04-2014 10:03 PM
Excellent post legion!
I was only thinking along similar lines this morning after hearing his pleas yet again on the morning news.
One could also add that he, like many others - in both governments - are nowhere to be seen standing up for the rights of all those who lost money in the last five years who would, no doubt, be delighted to be reimbursed for their losses in their innocence...
This government has been accused of not being in "touch" with ordinary people, so this is his chance to experience that from a first hand perspective.
20-04-2014 4:07 AM
@cee-dee wrote:I think juries are becoming aware of the situation where the "evidence" is purely accusatory without anything else to back it up.
The "balance of probabilities" doesn't figure in criminal cases and although you may "think" one of these high-flying defendents is "probably" guilty of something, there's absolutely no evidence to prove it beyond reasonable doubt.
What someone says isn't evidence, it's only a pointer to real evidence which not only proves what they say is true, it also proves the guilt of the accused. If there's no other evidence then it's high time the CPS stopped wasting Public Money on such cases which are doomed to fail.
If we go down the road of just accepting that what an accuser says is true and accept that it "proves" the guilt of the defendent, there's no real hope for justice.
Before the advent of in car video successful prosecutions based on witness testimony alone was a daily occurrence in cases of careless and dangerous driving. Still fairly common today.
20-04-2014 5:54 AM
@paulwyb123 wrote:What evidence?
If it was credible he would have been found guilty..
Just being accused doesn't make someone guilty it just makes them
accused
The evidence put forward by Officials and witnesses from inside the House of Commons, these were the People who reported Him to the Police