He ordered us to preach to the people and to give a thorough witness.—Acts 10:42

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He ordered us to preach to the people and to give a thorough witness.—Acts 10:42.All of us are subject to “the law of the Christ.” (Gal. 6:2) That law includes all that Jesus taught. Foremost among Jesus’ teachings is that his followers should display love. (John 13:35; Jas. 2:8) And one of the primary ways we show love for God, for Christ, and for our neighbor is by preaching the good news of the Kingdom. (John 15:10; Acts 1:8) Jesus commanded only a relatively small number of his followers—those to whom he appeared after his resurrection—to preach. (Acts 10:40-42; 1 Cor. 15:6) But all his faithful first-century disciples recognized that the command applied to them, even if they had not personally heard Jesus speak. (Acts 8:4; 1 Pet. 1:8) Likewise today, Jesus has not personally spoken to any of the eight million active Kingdom preachers. But all recognize their obligation to exercise faith in Christ and to express that faith by means of the witnessing work.—Jas. 2:18. w15 3/15 4:14, 15

[astrologica]

Those quotes show a very different view of a woman's role to that of Samuel Herd. His views show that women are meant to be subjects of their husbands.  He also likens women who want to assert themselves more to homosexuals! How offensive is that? The JW faith seems to have a real problem with gay people, so to liken a woman to a homosexual is in their eyes the worst kind of slur. 

This dominance of men over women is offensive and medieval in its concept. I am not a subject...I am a person!

Watch the link to see the pronouncements of Mr Samuel Herd.

Like Harry, I am going to leave it there.....as much as I admire FD for her persistent adherence to her faith, and her attempts to proselytise on here, I can't help feeling that she is leading a half-life. No doubt she will counter that with how happy she is in her faith, and I do believe she is, but there you go.....each to their own.

http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/quotes/women-submission.php

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@**forum-decorum** wrote:

I have no authority or right to judge Jehovah.xx

What I do have is my own ability to reason things out for myself and decide for myself whether I agree and accept Jehovah's decisions and council on matters. 

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You say you have no authority to judge God but to agree and accept is making a judgment.

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@evoman3957 wrote:

Hopefully in MY lifetime.........otherwise it will just be yet ANOTHER promise that was never kept.

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I do thank you for your posts you know, although you clearly do not agree with the faith, you have kindly replied in my thread.

It it does not happen in your life time, then you will have the promise realised in the resurrection.  The promise includes a resurrection of good and bad ( not meaning that in any personal way to you  but that is how it is worded in the Bible) giving everyone the chance to come to know God. After the resurrection he will be no Satin and his bad influences. If you are part of that resurrection then you will have no doubt the promise has been fullfilled.

The has been no broken promises.  Xx

[bankhaunter]

Pascal's wager only works when there is just one alternative to not believing..

Unfortunately there are and have been countless gods so nothing to say if the one a person decides to believe in is the right one.

[jd.linklater]

You clearly hold your belief system in high regard FD and I have no problem with that. But as your opening line says.......You have been ordered to preach to the people. And that's exactly what gets most peoples' backs up. We don't need preaching to about your personal beliefs.  

As I think I said on another thread, whatever gets you through the night is fine by me, if you would just allow me and others the same courtesy, there would be no discord. 

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@jd.linklater wrote:

You clearly hold your belief system in high regard FD and I have no problem with that. But as your opening line says.......You have been ordered to preach to the people. And that's exactly what gets most peoples' backs up. We don't need preaching to about your personal beliefs.  

As I think I said on another thread, whatever gets you through the night is fine by me, if you would just allow me and others the same courtesy, there would be no discord. 

But of course I do JD xxx

I cannot force you to read anything any more than you me. Xxx

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@**forum-decorum** wrote:

I have no authority or right to judge Jehovah.xx

What I do have is my own ability to reason things out for myself and decide for myself whether I agree and accept Jehovah's decisions and council on matters. 

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You say you have no authority to judge God but to agree and accept is making a judgment.

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Lol, noconow on bank lol xxx

You know very well what is meant there, not I have no authority to judge Jehovah as being in any kind of wrong or a liar and accountable.

What I have done with my own God given freedom of choice is to decide for myself what Jehovah has given me in his word the Bible to be true and reliable, there is a great difference. Xxxxx

[bankhaunter]

If you choose anything, you must be making a judgment on it's virtues or otherwise, that is unadvoidable, it's how you make a choice.

Or are you saying you choose to select or believe things with no thought?

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Jehovah your God is with you wherever you go.—Josh. 1:9

Jehovah God really was with Joshua wherever he went. For instance, consider what happened as the Israelites were encamped near the Canaanite city of Jericho. In 1473 B.C.E., Joshua sent two men to spy out Jericho, and there they met the prostitute Rahab. She hid them on the roof of her house, concealing them from potential captors sent out by Jericho’s king. Rahab told the Israelite spies: “I do know that Jehovah will give you the land . . . , for we heard how Jehovah dried up the waters of the Red Sea before you . . . and what you did to the two kings of the Amorites.” She added: “Jehovah your God is God in the heavens above and on the earth beneath.” (Josh. 2:9-11) Because Rahab aligned herself with Jehovah’s organization of that time, God saw to it that she and her household were spared when the Israelites conquered Jericho. (Josh. 6:25) Rahab exercised faith, had reverence for Jehovah, and showed respect for his people. w14 5/15 3:8, 9

[0125arwen]

I have more time and respect for witnesses thany any other faith.

No violence no threats of eternal damnation yet for 100'000s of elderly people witnesses will be their only visitors and contact with the outside world.

What's not to like?

[astrologica]

What's not to like? Their attitudes to people who happen to be born gay, for a start. I have a close family member whom I love more than life itself, but if I were a JW I would be expected to shun them.....because they are gay. Their attitudes to gays are cruel and divisive. Sure they are peaceful and non threatening to the world in general, but they cause untold sadness and misery to people closer to home. Attitudes from the Dark Ages.

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What's not to like? Their attitudes to people who happen to be born gay, for a start. I have a close family member whom I love more than life itself, but if I were a JW I would be expected to shun them.....because they are gay. Their attitudes to gays are cruel and divisive. Sure they are peaceful and non threatening to the world in general, but they cause untold sadness and misery to people closer to home. Attitudes from the Dark Ages.

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Astro,

I know tis subject is one you feel deeply about, we have spoken before about it.  I to explain then that it is not the person we hate it is the act.

Please read this link for yourself, as it is a new release in a new magazine and may hell you to at least understand why a stand is taken.

It was timely council for me too personally, and given me much help and guidance.

https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/awake-no4-2016-august/bible-say-about-being-gay/

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@astrologica wrote:

What's not to like? Their attitudes to people who happen to be born gay, for a start. I have a close family member whom I love more than life itself, but if I were a JW I would be expected to shun them.....because they are gay. Their attitudes to gays are cruel and divisive. Sure they are peaceful and non threatening to the world in general, but they cause untold sadness and misery to people closer to home. Attitudes from the Dark Ages.

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Astro,

I know tis subject is one you feel deeply about, we have spoken before about it.  I explained hen that it is not the person we/Jehovah hates  it is the act.

Please read this link for yourself, as it is a new release in a new magazine and may help you to at least understand why a stand is taken.

It was timely council for me too personally, and given me much help and guidance.

https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/awake-no4-2016-august/bible-say-about-being-gay/

[astrologica]

Yes FD....it is a subject that I feel very strongly about. It doesn't matter one jot to me whether it is the person or the 'act' that is disapproved of...I could never ever shun my relative. Life is hard enough for gay kids as they are coming to terms with being different from the 'norm', without the people that they love shunning them. They need more love, not less. And I know that JW's believe that being gay is a lifestyle choice.....well believe me...that is a load of rubbish.  And they have as much right to finding love as anyone. My relative is now 26 years old and has been in a loving relationship for six years. When I see them so happy together it brings tears to my eyes.....I am so happy for them. All love and happiness in this world is welcome and we need more of it..not shunning and misery and unhappiness.

[lightblueberet]

"...it is not the person we/Jehovah hates..."

Only man hates...not the Almighty !

[lightblueberet]

...the with a capital T...sorry !  

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@lightblueberet wrote:

"...it is not the person we/Jehovah hates..."

Only man hates...not the Almighty !

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Just a couple of instance in the Bible where it mentions that Jehovah does hate.

Deuteronomy 12 : 31

You must not do this to Jehovah your God, because they do for their gods every detestable thing that Jehovah hates, even burning their sons and their daughters in the fire to their gods

Provers 6 : 16 - 19

There are six things that Jehovah hates;Yes, seven things that he* detests:17  Haughty eyes,+ a lying tongue,+ and hands that shed innocent blood,+18  A heart plotting wicked schemes,+ and feet that run quickly to evil,19  A false witness who lies with every breath,+And anyone sowing contentions among brothers

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@astrologica wrote:

What's not to like? Their attitudes to people who happen to be born gay, for a start. I have a close family member whom I love more than life itself, but if I were a JW I would be expected to shun them.....because they are gay. Their attitudes to gays are cruel and divisive. Sure they are peaceful and non threatening to the world in general, but they cause untold sadness and misery to people closer to home. Attitudes from the Dark Ages.

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Their attitude to all  sin as you put it is a matter of faith and I would imagine not an easy choice to make in some cases,

as for cruel and divisive i just don't see that at all.

[astrologica]

You may not see that Arwen, in your own life, as I don't see it in mine. But if you were a gay person, being shunned by your family and friends, you would feel the cruelty and experience the divided family. All these quotes about hate in the Bible mean nothing......it's just dogma and semantics. 

[0125arwen]

They mean something to those who believe them, me personally i want people to accept me for me, not because they feel forced to by the pc brigade, if someone doesn't want to serve me or sell me something because of my race  sexuality gender etc I do not want them forced to because to be quite honest i would rather not spend my money time or effort on them anyway, brushing other peoples feelings under the carpet only causes more lumps hills for people to dodge.

Tolerance works for everyone or not at all.