Germany to get tough?

[cee-dee]

So, enough's enough eh? Germany has decided to root out "economic migrants" from "assylum seekers"?

When I mentioned them as two factions on another thread some seemed to think that I was wrong to divide the issue and that all the "refugees" were the same?

Now it seems that Germany has decided to remove those who have no prospect of assylum:-

Germany's governing coalition is arguing over whether to set up "transit zones" on the country's border to quickly weed out migrants who have no realistic chance of winning asylum.

Chancellor Angela Merkel's conservative bloc is pushing the idea. It would entail extending to Germany's land borders a system that already exists at its airports, where migrants who arrive from countries considered safe or without papers can be held while asylum applications are processed quickly.

[evoman3957]

..........and with the Sheep, shall come the Wolves; hidden therein.........and they will kill many.

[upthecreekyetagain]

condemn not the innocent for the sins of the few

[evoman3957]

Some things never change on here. As usual, your need to have to say something; if only to see your words in print, misses the point. I used the words Sheep, as in innocent ones, to denote said status. I used the words Wolves, to denote those that are and always will be far from innocent; to denote their status also. I therefore did not condemn the innocent, I just pointed out that with one; will come the other..........for those that can live with the consequences......fine...."Live with it".

[cee-dee]

You said:-

"We can agree the water is dirty, (as are most 'water holes'), but there is also no indication of the source of water.  This may be from above ground springs, underwater springs, (groundwater), dried river bed or rainwater.  You have assumed that the water flows and comes from an above ground spring yet there is no indication of this in the appeal video, quite the contrary."

If you take the trouble to watch the video, it clearly says the source of the water is a spring:-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fujgx5sN23I

It's a spring which has made its way to the surface. The commentary also says it's the only water source for 1300 people. So over a thousand people rely on it but it's clear to see that absolutely no attempt has been made to provide a cleaner area for humans with a separate area for animals.

Yes, I found your comments offensive as did others who've commented privately.

[upthecreekyetagain]

And as you can also see it is an underwater 'spring, essentially groundwater, not a spring as you'd find on a hillside.  Likewise the wells required to reach clean water, not the 10, 20 or 30 foot deep wells you'd find in an English village but a 100, 200 or 300 foot borehole.

These people have done remarkably well to adapt to the environment they live in, they just need a little extra assistance to make that life more bearable.  It is often the same people who criticise them for not helping themselves who are also surprised and demand they need to be stopped when they do help their lot by upping sticks and migrate to the West.  The best way to reduce the number of emigrants from these areas is to help them to stay where they are.

Oh and I stand by my assertion that ""they've made absolutely no effort to improve things for themselves" is a ridiculous statement - if that offends you then I am sorry but that is your problem.

[upthecreekyetagain]

http://water.org/country/ethiopia/

[upthecreekyetagain]

". . . . . . the real innovation is that WaterAid treats technology as only part of the solution. Just as important is involving the local community in designing, building, and maintaining new water projects. Before beginning any project, WaterAid asks the community to form a WASH (water, sanitation, hygiene) committee of seven people—four of whom must be women. The committee works with WaterAid to plan projects and involve the village in construction. Then it maintains and runs the project.

In the village of Orbesho, residents even built a road themselves so that drilling machinery could come in. Last summer their pump, installed by the river, was being motorized to push its water to a newly built reservoir on top of a nearby mountain. From there, gravity would pipe it down to villages on the other side of the mountain. Residents of those villages had contributed a few cents apiece to help fund the project, made concrete, and collected stones for the structures, and now they were digging trenches to lay pipes.

From a distance they looked like a riotously colored snake: 200 people, mostly women in rainbow-striped peplum skirts and red or green T-shirts, forming a wavy line up the side of the mountain from the pump to the reservoir. Some men were helping lay fat pipes in the trench. The scene was almost festive with the taste of progress. Hundreds of people had come every day for four days to spend their mornings digging. The trench was about half finished, and each day the snake moved farther up the mountain."

http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2010/04/water-slaves/rosenberg-text/6

[upthecreekyetagain]

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@evoman3957 wrote:

Some things never change on here. As usual, your need to have to say something; if only to see your words in print, misses the point. I used the words Sheep, as in innocent ones, to denote said status. I used the words Wolves, to denote those that are and always will be far from innocent; to denote their status also. I therefore did not condemn the innocent, I just pointed out that with one; will come the other..........for those that can live with the consequences......fine...."Live with it".

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That is EXACTLY how I read it and to which I responded.

I also read it to mean that we shouldn't accept those requesting asylum because amongst them will be those who have a malicious intent against the West - a meaning you reinforce with the above post.  In other words I read your post to suggest that the 'innocent', (i.e. genuine refugees), should suffer, ('condemned'), because of the intentions, ('sins'), of the few amongst them.

Isn't that what you meant? ???

[evoman3957]

The really annoying thing, about the do gooder types, is that due to their lack of knowledge about the real World out there; they stride on through life, with their great ideas, leaving a trail of destruction behind them. Due to life not being fair, invariably; that unforeseen backlash, produced by their great ideas, never wreaks havoc on them.......but on other poor devils. They'd let them ALL in and then when the terrorists among them, blow the arms and legs off of Men, Women & Children, it's never THEM or THEIR Women and Children...........funny that isn't it.

[upthecreekyetagain]

Refusing entry to all in case a few are terrorists is not the only solution - likewise allowing entry to all including terrorists is not the only solution.

[evoman3957]

Well, considering that in Afghanistan; they even let the Taliban into the Afghan Army, without knowing it,.......and that was supposedly under the supervision of American, British and other coalition forces........and those same infiltrators then shot countless numbers of coalition troops; I'd just love to know what vetting procedures will sort out the extremists, from among AT LEAST one and a half million refugees.......countless thousands of whom have deliberately thrown away their papers. The road to Hell is paved with good intentions and make no mistake.........Hell IS on the doorstep and knocking to come in.

[astrologica]

You are quite correct Evo. Who knows the intention of these refugees? The majority of them may be genuine and in need of shelter and a better life, but there only needs to be a few with bad intentions and all hell could break loose. And it is becoming Hell on Earth for some of these poor people. The scenes on the 10 o'clock news last night of the poor people trapped in Eastern European countries in terrible weather were tragic...and I don't use that term lightly....it is a tragedy of monumental proportions. And still thousands are arriving in Greece every day, in the hope of getting to Europe. The EU will have blood on its hands before too long. They began this fiasco but are now sitting on their hands ( and their fat wallets) shilly shallying about what to do. The exodus across the Mediterranean has to be stopped. David Cameron is quite right to only accept refugees from the camps...at least they can be properly vetted. And...at this moment there are now 6,000 migrants camped in the 'Jungle' in Calais...what are they going to do about that 'little' problem? It won't be long before the Channel Tunnel will have to be closed....and not before time.

[ravendays]

They made such a good job of it circa the 40's after all.  And again the so called "civilised" world turns a blind eye to the atrocities of the past repeating...

[tommy.irene]

Turkey Turkey has taken on the brunt of Syria’s refugees, with over 1.8 million Syrians currently living in their country. Lebanon Lebanon, Syria’s neighbor, is second only to Turkey, having taken on over 1.2 million refugees. Jordan Jordan holds the third most refugees, reportedly containing over 628,427 Syrians. Iraq Iraq, which is having its own troubles with its war with the self-declared Islamic State (known also as ISIS or ISIL), is housing approximately 247, 861 refugees. Egypt Egypt is also doing their part by currently handling around 133,000 refugees. Read more at http://www.inquisitr.com/2396458/29-countries-accepting-syrian-refugees/#W1BYv5BvTxHLD4ar.99 This article is from September - the numbers will obviously have increased since then, particularly in Germany, and I believe Turkey has over 2 million refugees now. The United Arab Emirates and Israel are conspicuous in their refusal to help - though I doubt whther most refugees would feel any safer in Israel than they would in Syria.