Brexit never gonnae happen they way you think!

[celticthebhoys585]

Never in a way you brexiters thought it would. All the chamelons have been exposed,tight majority vote.Country and goverment in chaos.

It's the money men that will decide as always! What made you think they'd let the people decide-never have done in centuries!

[upthecreekyetagain]

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@celticthebhoys585 wrote:

I gave a poor example there really on Attorney Gen as he's an MP.sorry.

What I was trying to say is commissioners do the same work as civil servants do here, employees of governments and parliaments. They are commissioned to do a job their asked. They have absolutely no decision making powers - they carry out the day to day work of the EU and the elected EU members MEPs make the decisions. Farage is an elected MEP in England and does nowt- lazy lazy layabout  him and his cronies.

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“They have absolutely no decision making powers” 

That really is twisting words.

In the UK Parliament and government put forward proposals in the form of a Bill for MPs to vote on.  Background work, research, wording etc. being carried out by civil servants on the instructions of ministers. 

In the EU MEPs vote on initiatives put forward by the Commission and/or the Council of Ministers.  

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/factsheets/en/sheet/25/the-european-commission

The Commission is the EU institution that has the monopoly on legislative initiative and important executive powers in policies such as competition and external trade. It is the principal executive body of the European Union and it is formed by a College of members composed of one Commissioner per Member State. The Commission oversees the application of Union law and respect for the Treaties by the Member States; it also chairs the committees responsible for the implementation of EU law. The former comitology system has been replaced by new legal instruments, namely implementing and delegated acts.

[upthecreekyetagain]

Worth a read

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/about-parliament/en/powers-and-procedures/legislative-powers

A Member of the European Parliament, working in one of the parliamentary committees, draws up a report on a proposal for a ‘legislative text’ presented by the European Commission, the only institution empowered to initiate legislation. The parliamentary committee votes on this report and, possibly, amends it. When the text has been revised and adopted in plenary, Parliament has adopted its position. . . . .

The European Parliament may approve or reject a legislative proposal, or propose amendments to it. The Council is not legally obliged to take account of Parliament’s opinion but in line with the case-law of the Court of Justice, it must not take a decision without having received it.

Hard to imagine the British Civil Service being the only body able to put forward legislation for approval by Parliament and even if Parliament rejected the legislation then this advice being ignored and the legislation being passed by those same Civil Servants!

[baybizz]

"The Great "Common Market" Deception:
archive.irishdemocrat.co.uk - the-great-deception

"The Great Deception.pdf
http://bit.ly/eugtdecpdf

[upthecreekyetagain]

Would a Federation of Europe be ‘bad’ thing - I can see many benefits in a United States of Europe.

[upthecreekyetagain]

That actually isn’t a quote by Jean Monet but Englishman Adrian Hilton - not that it changes the sentiment. 🙂

[joe_bloggs*]

Dominic Grieve, the former Attorney General, says that Brexit can be stopped - and the Queen may have to step in if Boris Johnson refused to quit after losing a vote of confidence."The Queen would have to sack him."

Oh dear 

[astrologica]

What do you good folks think of Brexit now..especially Boris's canny move? Is it gonnae happen the way we think?

[cee-dee]

Something had to be done, there's far too many "remainers" who wouldn't accept any deal no matter WHAT it was. We've also got a smug, interferring Speaker looking for any opportunity to put a spanner in the works.

A "deal" is the result of negotiations between two parties/people/countries/organisations. A "deal" was negotiated between two groups of negotiators, ie from the UK and from the EU. Taken back to the UK, those in Parliament wouldn't accept that. The EU refuse to re-negotiate a deal so if the UK is to leave the EU, they'll have to leave without one.

In the face of no re-negotiation, there's three choices. 1/stay in, 2/accept the deal already negotiated, 3/leave without a deal.

I don't see how any agreement can be struck in the present UK Parliament. Someone has to make a decision and at the moment BJ has made a decision. Whether that decision sticks remains to be seen.

[astrologica]

It is said that Mrs May's deal is dead, so that leaves remain or no deal. I have a sneaky feeling that the EU will come forward with some sort of deal at the last minute..they do have a lot to lose. It just beats me how all these Remainers are bleating about democracy....but only when it suits their agenda. Let's hope that we leave on the planned date...most people have had enough of Brexit.

[al**bear]

If the Government wont listen to the People - You take to the streets

It worked with the Poll Tax,  the trouble over this will be much much worse

Remember --  Even in the (Restricted electorate) Referendum,

more than 29million didn't Vote for Brexit

They constantly scream about the - 17.4m

as a massive mandate - by nearly 2 to 1 it isn't

Remember this was a Referendum, not a electoral vote

 

[al**bear]

If the Government wont listen to the People - You take to the streets

It worked with the Poll Tax,  the trouble over this will be much much worse

Remember --  Even in the (Restricted electorate) Referendum,

more than 29million didn't Vote for Brexit

They constantly scream about the - 17.4m

as a massive mandate - by nearly 2 to 1 it isn't

Remember this was a Referendum, not a electoral vote

 

[al**bear]

If the Government wont listen to the People - You take to the streets

It worked with the Poll Tax,  the trouble over this will be much much worse

Remember --  Even in the (Restricted electorate) Referendum,

more than 29million didn't Vote for Brexit

They constantly scream about the - 17.4m

as a massive mandate - by nearly 2 to 1 it isn't

Remember this was a Referendum, not a electoral vote

 

[al**bear]

If the Government wont listen to the People - You take to the streets

[al**bear]

It worked with the Poll Tax,  the trouble over this will be much much worse

[al**bear]

Remember --  Even in the (Restricted electorate) Referendum,

[al**bear]

more than 29million didn't Vote for Brexit

[al**bear]

They constantly scream about the - 17.4m

[al**bear]

as a massive mandate - by nearly 2 to 1 it isn't

[al**bear]

Remember this was a Referendum, not a electoral vote

 

[al**bear]

I c&p'd that -

I'd posted on wrong thread

 

[al**bear]

I c&p'd that -

I'd posted on wrong thread

 

[al**bear]

I c&p'd that -

I'd posted on wrong thread

 

[al**bear]

 

[baybizz]

~

[pillarboxred]

Your vote isn't worth the paper it is scratched on.

[baybizz]

"This Brexit Referendum is YOUR DECISION!

"NOT POLITICIANS'

"NOT PARLIAMENT'S

"Just YOU!

"And it's the FINAL Decision!

"A Leave vote means WE WILL LEAVE!...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Z2dEe7N3SA

[baybizz]

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[upthecreekyetagain]

I may be missing something but the man who made those promises is no longer PM nor even an MP - we’ve had a General Election and two different PMs since then.

It was the courts that decided that according to law Parliament had to approve the terms on which we leave the EU.

[fallen-archie]

In which case parliament is not doing its job ie approving the terms of our departure!!

[upthecreekyetagain]

By saying that it was Parliament who must approve any exit agreement not the government there is the implicit assertion that Parliament also has the right not to approve any proposed agreements.

[fallen-archie]

Indeed it does! We are in uncharted territory and the one thing they haven’t grasped is how to fix the divisions in our society. Twitter is riddled with conspiracy theories and people claiming that they will die if we do Brexit, yet another cri de couer from an ill advised public! The politics in play here are astonishing both at home and in the Eu!

[upthecreekyetagain]

It could well end up in the hands of the E.U. - at some stage they will surely say no more extensions.