Are good manners a thing of the past?

Do you use a knife and fork to eat with and if so do you place the fork in the right hand prongs upright and shovel food into your mouth?

Do you open a door for someone, perhaps as a gent you open the car door for a Lady. When you see an elderly person on public transport would you offer them your seat? 

It seems that as a nation we are abandoning tradition, giving up being courteous and practicing what were considered to be good table manners, it was suggested widely in the media last year that as many as 30% of under 20s cannot use a knife and fork. Does it matter? or is it progress.

 

 

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Oh yes....it matters! Some children are not being taught how to eat. My niece is a teacher, and at her school they have a special area set aside for children who don't know how to use a knife and fork. They actually have to teach them how to sit at the table to eat, and not wander around whilst eating. They also have to teach them how to use a knife and fork.

I always lay the table for meals with table mats, cutlery etc all laid out. And I use a teapot, with a tea cosy. I have done this every day since I got married 54 years ago. My grandchildren love coming to dine at my house, and they all do things exactly the same....Two of them even asked me to make them a tea cosy. I won't have TV on at mealtimes. I think it is a distraction and takes away from the importance of mealtimes. I think children should be taught not to take their food for granted, and to think about where it comes from, especially meat and fish...those animals have given their lives for them to eat and children should be taught to respect that.

As for travelling on public transport...I use the bus often, and I very rarely get offered a seat. I'm 72, and fairly fit, but if I see someone not as able as me, I will always give up my seat. I have given up my seat on occasions when there are able bodied young men sitting nearby, but they don't seem to be shamed by it. Manners and consideration are definitely on the wane, and it is a real shame. 

Must dash....I have to lay the table for tea!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Never trust a man who,when left alone in a room with a tea cosy doesn't try it on





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it was suggested widely in the media last year that as many as 30% of under 20s cannot use a knife and fork. Does it matter? or is it progress.


I'm not sure I believe that they 'cannot' use a knife and fork, I mean it's not difficult is it?


I think eating has changed a lot over the years and a lot of the food we eat nowadays doesn't 'require' us to use a knife and fork.


As we have warmly welcomed different cultures into our country, we are becoming more and more Cosmopolitan in the way we eat.


E.g. eating Indian curries with fingers using naan bread is a very common practise among the young these days, ditto using chopsticks for Chinese food.


Also we tend to eat a lot of finger foods these days aswell, pizza, burger and chips, tapas, meze, kebabs etc.


I don't think this is a sign of us abandoning tradition as such,  more a sign that the younger generation are willing to embrace change and diversity which can only be a good thing.

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Good points Lola, I agree it is good to see other cutural methods embraced but Watching someone competant with chop sticks suggests to me that there is a right and a wrong way to use them and I feel the same applies to Knives and forks. And yes we have more finger snacks and food but sandwiches have been eaten that way for ages as have snacks in general. Then those from third world countries who use a hand to eat all types of food surely that is borne more out of necessity than anything else. 

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Joe....you are spot on! Everyone who comes to my house tries on the tea cosy. My cosy is a lovely little crazy patchwork quilted number...always looks very chic when placed at a jaunty angle! When small children come for the first time, they always ask 'What's that for'..so I have to explain. They look incredulous at the idea that it keeps the tea warm!

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Times have changed.


Sitting round a table having formal meals together has become a thing of the past for a lot of families especially where both parents work full-time.


I guess it's hard to keep your cutlery etiquette on fleek when you're all squashed up on the sofa watching the news  Woman Very Happy

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Oh yes I forgot the all endearing TV,  beats the carp out of Talking Smiley Very Happy

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I think I must be from a bygone era! 😄😄

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@fallen-archie wrote:

Oh yes I forgot the all endearing TV,  beats the carp out of Talking Smiley Very Happy


Out of sheer boredom, my son's friend was forced to go downstairs and socialise with his familly when his internet went down for a prolonged period of time.


Apparantly he noted afterwards on Facebook that they were actually quite nice people LOL

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Manners and etiquette make social occasions run smoothly and avoid awkwardness so children should learn the basics, however that could be difficult as few families eat together and if the parents aren't aware themselves, which is a pity because it could serve them in good stead in the future. Good manners will get you in anywhere.

 

My father tended to sit sideways at the table just using his fork and I do much the same but not in company. Smiley Happy

 

As for opening doors, a German woman who had spent a couple of weeks in London, walked straight in to a closing door while leaving a shop because she had got so used to the person in front holding the door for the one following them. 

Something they don't seem to do in Berlin.

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I taught my kids how to use a knife and fork properly from a very early age, just like I did. Having said that the English could argue that the Dutch hold their forks the wrong way round, so different cultures do use their cutlery often in a different way. My kids learned both ways in our case.

Americans first cut up their meat and then eat their food mainly with just a fork.

My argument was always that you will never know where you end up in life and you might need to be able to adjust to the company you keep.

Some young people who eat at my table so now and then eat with their knife and fork in the "wrong" hands. Some hold their knife as if they still have to kill the meat on their plate. Smiley LOL

They will say they can't do it any other way. So did my kids when they were four..................until they were taught over and over again. Practice makes perfect...............

I was taught the "old fashioned" way and don't see anything wrong with good manners. I can move in any circle and fit in.

 

I made my kids sit at the table and not watch TV while eating. It did happen so now and then that they were allowed to eat with their plate on their lap if they were in the middle of watching a good film (before the time we could pause the TV), but it wasn't a habit. Some people have no space in their house for a dining table, so have no choice although they could turn the TV off.

The reason for me was that it created time for the family to chat together and talk about their day. When everyone goes off to their own rooms to eat or sit in front of the TV it can cause a lack of communication within a family especially with teenagers.

 

Mobile Phones were also not allowed during dinner time. I find nothing more annoying than people who have to look at every text they get and are texting back while we are in the middle of a conversation. I find it pretty ignorant. They will say they are listening, but when you ask them to repeat what you said last they most of the time can't.

Another thing I hate is when you visit people and they keep the telly on, watching it with one eye while talking to you. When I get visitors and the telly is on I will turn it off. I think it is disturbing during a conversation. I think it is just good manners to focus on your visitors. They came to see you, not watch the TV.

 

Yes we live in changing times, very true and we should embrace it, but some of it has killed good communication with others and that is not such a good thing. People hardly look someone in the eyes anymore when they talk. Half of them are so scatter brained that they often change the subject half way because they just can't keep focus on one topic anymore.

 

I will always keep eye contact with everyone I talk to. It first of all makes them feel I'm really listening and by doing so I will also pick up on emotions that their words are not telling me.

Letting people finish their sentence is also going out of fashion. One of my daughters will often say that she knows what I'm going to say anyway, but she doesn't half of the time and then reacts before she has heard it all, creating sometimes arguments and confusion. She always butts in, something I have tried my best to stop since she was small, but she still does it and so do all her friends. They talk right through each other. It drives me mad. Sometimes they lose track and then they look at me and ask what they were saying last. Then I have to remind them what they were on about....because I was actually LISTENING!Smiley Frustrated

 

I taught my kids to stand up for older people in waiting rooms and pubic transport and help others when they can see that they are struggling with things, like heavy doors or things on higher shelves in the shops etc....

For them it is normal to do all that. Sadly also that is going out off fashion.

 

So are good manners being replaced with ignorance and selfishness?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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A few years ago I worked for a year in the restaurant of a four star hotel, and a lot of the adults don't know how to use a knife and fork - or which one to pick up.

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Blimey I had no idea Fawlty Towers was a four star Gaff Smiley Very Happy

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Good post, Harry x

 

One of my own bugbears is people who throw litter on the ground and I've always encouraged my son to either look for a bin or put his empty wrappers in his pockets till he gets home.


Then I forget and tell him off because his pockets and school bag are full of empty wrappers and pop bottles LOL


I think being kind and considerate of others ultimately comes from within. You are either a kind person or you're not. As a parent all you can do is lead by example and hope that your own kids grow up to be kind and considerate aswell.


I remember when my son was really young, (can't remember how old exactly but I know he was tiny) out of the blue he said to me: 'You are always saying sorry'. I was a bit taken aback and said: 'What do you mean?'


Obviously he was too young to give me a long, psychoanalytic explanation so he just kind of shrugged instead but it did make me think about what he'd said and yes, I am always saying sorry even when it's not my fault.


If someone bumps into me, I say 'oh sorry' and if someone is blocking the aisle in a shop, I don't say 'excuse me can you move your trolley please' I say 'sorry can I just squeeze past' and then I probably say another 3 or 4 'sorries' as I go by and continue up the aisle LOL


I'm not sure if this is setting a good example or not to be honest but coincidentally, I've just been to parents evening at my son's school this week and all of the teachers (with the exception of his PE teacher) said that he has been an absolute pleasure to teach so I must be doing something right.


One thing I do try to 'teach' my son is tolerance. I never make any kind of racist or homophobic comments in front of him and I never would.


Unfortunately my mum is of a generation who still hasn't quite grasped that certain terminology that was deemed appropriate back in her day is now considered to be highly offensive.


There has been a few occasions over the years when I've had to ring her and give her a little telling off when my son has come home and repeated something that 'granny said'.


He is mixed race anyway and luckily we've only had a few minor issues over the years with other kids making racist comments towards him. Bizarrely when he was in primary/junior school.


As much as it upset me, I didn't really blame the kids as they were clearly just repeating stuff they'd heard at home from their own ignorant parents.


It's never been an issue at high school thankfully. Teens these days are a lot more mature and clued up than we give them credit for. It's just some parents that need educating

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archie, I would suggest that good manners are a thing of the past ! Even now when I go into a shop or petrol station and say please and thank you I am looked at as if I am speaking a foreign language to the assistant.

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Thanks Lola.

 

I have the same issue with littering.

I remember standing near a road and a woman had just bought a bag on the market. Most of them are stuffed with paper when we buy them. She took all the paper out, stuffed it all in the bushes behind her as if that was a perfect normal things to do and then got on the bus. The litter bin was about 5 meters away from her! I just couldn't believe my eyes. Smiley Mad

 

I have seen plenty of adults eating their take away food r drinks and drop the packaging on the street as soon as they were finished with it. Why? Is it so difficult to hold it until you come across a bin? It's no wonder that kids just repeat what they see.

 

I'm also always saying sorry to others, when people bump and/or walk into me even though they could  have easily avoided it by using their eyes. My husband told me to say it differently..."Oh sorry am I in your way?" I'm not sure if people would get the message to be honest. Most don't even get the sarcasm. Maybe they will just say.."yes you are!" Smiley LOL

 

Spacial awareness is another thing that seems a thing of the past. Like people having a chat with others while blocking an exit/entrance or isle at the shops. Totally oblivious of other shoppers around them. I so hate shopping!

 

Maybe I'm just becoming a grumpy old woman.Smiley LOL

 

My old mum can come out with things that are very racist at times and make me cringe. She is 84 and it is pointless to try to change her. I have tried. Smiley Frustrated

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I'll have to try your husband's suggestion Harry but as you say, sometimes sarcasm can be too subtle for some people LOL


I'm not always a wimp. One day I was in Sports Direct (before they moved to their new premises) I hated going in there because it was really small and cramped and way too hot. I was suffering from hot flushes anyway at the time so it was torture.


There were these two giant women blocking the trainer aisle, yacking away. I gently edged past them saying my usual multiple 'sorries'.  They must not have heard me because one of them said 'oh excuse us' and the other one said 'ignorant b***h' .


I must have been having a really bad day because I turned round and went absolutely ballistic at them. I even scared myself by how angry I was. I cringe about it now. I can't believe I lost control like that in public LOL


It's more homophobic comments with my mum unfortunately. She's got a broad Scottish accent and whenever the subject comes up, me and my son look at each other and say 'Och I'm nae homophobic I just divnae think it's natural' and start laughing.


It is hard to change such ingrained ideas but it doesn't stop us trying... and taking the pee out of her at the same time LOL

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Smiley LOL

 

 

I got a bit more assertive over time.  If people haven't heard my few friendly "sorries" when they are in the way nowadays I say very loudly "Excuse Me!" as if they are deaf. I'm losing my patience as I get older.

When I did it once when I was with my eldest daughter she said "mum!" As if I was the one being ignorant. Smiley Surprised

It wouldn't  have been so bad if she wasn't the snapper of the family. Smiley LOL

But for her it's different of course.........................................Mums should behave themselves. Smiley Frustrated

 

I will remind her one day.............................................

 

My mum isn't homophobic, but it's the way she speaks about them that is still not always very PC and she makes a lot of generalisations and assumptions. She just doesn't realise it. She actually knows a gay couple in her neighbourhood that she is very friendly with and when she had been to their house once she said, "well it was a lovely house of course, full of antiques, as you can expect, their food was lovely and the whole ambiance was perfect. But you always get that with gays" Smiley Surprised

My best mate is gay, but she resembles none of the above. Her house is a mess and she can't cook a decent meal to save her life.Smiley LOL No point telling my mum this, as she will say that the male gays are different than the female ones in that respect. Smiley Frustrated

And she does this with different races as well. Still often referring to people of a different skin colour as "those blackies". She lived in Indonesia in the early 50s for a couple of years and it still stems from those days.

 

 

 

 

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Harry your post made me laugh so much.


My mum will be 79 next month and they are def cut from the same cloth except the only gay people my mum knows are the ones on the telly LOL


You made a good point though, I don't think she's homophobic or racist as such, just un-pc like you said and old fashioned in her views.


Going back to the litter rant. What drives me mad are people who sit in KFC or McDonalds car park to eat their food and then open their car doors and put the empty wrappers and cups on the ground and drive away.


THERE IS A BIN AT THE FRONT OF EVERY SINGLE PARKING BAY YOU BLERDY LAZY GITS!!


And as we live by the sea, the car park is usually awash with flocks of seagulls fighting over bits of food and they won't get out of the way to let you drive in.


You have to beep your horn a few times and even then they just stand there giving you a dirty look before they eventually fly off LOL

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