Angel of Romania: Appalled by treatment of 3 million stray dogs.

[merehazle]

Would someone kindly bring up the link please from Mail on Line. Thank you.

It occurs to me that if you read the ''WORST COMMENTS'' You may agree why animals suffer so much?

Yes it is true the Great leader Gandhi said '' The greatness of a nation & it's progress can be judged by the way it treat's it's animals.

One comment says we should ignore them ... we have enough trouble with our own X-(X-( .

They are no trouble, they can do nothing about it. They are the victims of those that allow it to go on.

[upthecreekyetagain]

This maybe the case but before I answer, may I ask where you obtained the birth rate declining statistics from?

http://www.indexmundi.com/g/g.aspx?v=25&c=ro&l=en

Not only is the birth rate falling but it is lower than the death rate - 9.49 births per 1,000 population against 11.84 deaths per 1,000

In the UK it's 12.27 births per 1,000 against 9.33 deaths per 1,000 - so a bit disingenuous of anyone from the UK insinuating the Romanions are having too many children.

Was it not you who said "So what's the answer - when you have a country who's people can hardly feed themselves let alone stray dogs?"

Yes it was - and?

[bookhunter2007]

Maybe if they didn't have so many children they might get on better!

Do you or CD have any clue whatsoever what happened under Ceausescu?

"Under Nicolae Ceauşescu, both abortion and contraception were forbidden, leading to a rise in birth rates"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanian_orphans

Anyway...back to kittens, puppies, and Liz Jones' wardrobe.

[*.*..lola..*.*]

I hope you don't mind me saying, Creeky but you are coming across as being very cynical on this thread - what happened to:

personally I prefer to think the best of people rather than the worst and I think I am the happier for doing so

The problem with people who make a career out of being deliberately disagreeable, it gets to a point where folks can't tell which of their comments are sincere and which have merely been said just to back up their argument on that particular day.

I agree with all of Lola's sentiments and irrespective of other people's views regarding this woman, she has brought the plight of these helpless animals into the public eye and sometimes it takes a well known celebrity or a “publicity stunt” to make the public sit up and notice so to call her the new "Canine  Angel of Romania" with this particular mission is exactly what she is.

Thanks Mitzi - we may not always agree but one thing I have learned about you is that everything you say is geniune and comes straight from your heart  :-x

Can I just clarify one small thing (for the cynics amongst us)  😉

The headline 'I am the new canine Angel of Romania' refers to the fact that Liz Jones is a new recruit to the charity called K-9 Angels - I don't think she was trying to imply that she is actually some kind of selfless Mother Theresa style real life angel.

There is a lot that can be said about Liz Jones (and frequently is) but I don't think anyone could or should doubt her genuine love of animals.

[upthecreekyetagain]

I hope you don't mind me saying, Creeky but you are coming across as being very cynical on this thread - what happened to:

personally I prefer to think the best of people rather than the worst and I think I am the happier for doing so

Fair point.

I think my view about the article has been tainted because of what appeared to me to be an underlying agenda that had little to do with the plight of the actual animals - I accept that this could be unintentional but I have become very sceptical about the Daily Mail and transferred this scepticism, maybe unjustifiably, onto the author of the article.

[*.*..lola..*.*]

I think my view about the article has been tainted because of what appeared to me to be an underlying agenda that had little to do with the plight of the actual animals

Err...you made your cynical and untrue comment at post #6:

I find it rather hypocritical for a writer who extolls the virtues of the House of Chanel and its chief designer Karl Lagerfeld to call herself "the new Canine Angel of Romania"

The 'underlying agenda' (which I agreed with) was brought up in post #10 by Ihasa not you so stop trying to squirm your way out of it and admit you were wrong for once in your life.

[merehazle]

Do you or CD have any clue whatsoever what happened under Ceausescu?

"Under Nicolae Ceauşescu, both abortion and contraception were forbidden, leading to a rise in birth rates"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanian_orphans

Anyway...back to kittens, puppies, and Liz Jones' wardrobe.

😮

'Anyway ... back to kittens, puppies, and Liz Jones' wardrobe.'

 We have your permission. Thank you. 

As much as it seems to frustrate you, it's what we may do. Dogs in Rumania were what this thread was (originally) about.

#36  I don't see anyone criticising the people on here? Their thoughts are on the government. Who I would have thought  have at least some power to do something about it.

#36   ' What do you want the people of Rumania to do about  these hundreds of stray dogs' (hundreds? 3 million !!!)

We want ''anybody'' to do ''anything'' they can.

'Book has illustrated the situation which may be a bit contentious etc....'  Yes, you sad it. Not me!

Anyway.... back to whatever!

[tommy.irene]

I love this part of the story..Quote..

Later that day, we go to the  town hall to see the deputy mayor, Gheorghe Nedelescu.

As the Angels enter his office, all Vuitton handbags and eyelash extensions, he visibly swallows with trepidation. They really are a force to be reckoned with.

We tell him our findings. He  promises to sack the Butcher vet within the month and to commit €1 million to building a new shelter. We shall see.  ..So they are going to get someone the sack and €1 million  is going to be spent..Ha..Ha

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2315889/I-new-canine-Angel-Romania-Appalled-treatment-Roma...

[upthecreekyetagain]

I think my view about the article has been tainted because of what appeared to me to be an underlying agenda that had little to do with the plight of the actual animals

Err...you made your cynical and untrue comment at post #6:

I find it rather hypocritical for a writer who extolls the virtues of the House of Chanel and its chief designer Karl Lagerfeld to call herself "the new Canine Angel of Romania"

The 'underlying agenda' (which I agreed with) was brought up in post #10 by Ihasa not you so stop trying to squirm your way out of it and admit you were wrong for once in your life.

I rather thought I had in regards to the author and not thinking of her in the best light - what do you want me to do, wear sack cloth and ashes for a week?

[spawnjohnuk]

Stevie got it right ,solve two probs ..eat them

Wear ,eat or take for walks all depends on a you ,I may be wrong but if you love all animals and want them treated ,then you don't wear or eat them,if you do or have then your a hypocrite.

ps who counted 3 million dogs or is that just a woof estimate 😉  Not possible ,full stop.

[tommy.irene]

Liz JonesJournalistElizabeth Ann Jones, known as Liz Jones, is a British journalist. She originally followed a career in fashion journalism, but her work has broadened into confessional writing. Jones divides opinion. WikipediaBorn: September 5, 1918 (age 94), EnglandEducation: London College of Communication

[merehazle]

I rather thought I had in regards to the author and not thinking of her in the best light - what do you want me to do, wear sack cloth and ashes for a week?

:^O  WHATEVER!    lola, want's, lola gets.   (it's a song).

And quite rightly too with that figure and brain.

Plase forgive me guys, just a spot of humour:^O. 

[upthecreekyetagain]

:^O

[tommy.irene]

'Recession's silent victims': More than 100 pets are being abandoned every day in Britain as families can no longer afford to feed them
Numbers of dogs and cats abandoned up 65 per cent from 2007 
The RSPCA is struggling to rehome pets - with 40,595 dumped in 2011
Animal cruelty convictions rose by 23.5 per cent in the past year

The number of pets being abandoned has risen by 65 per cent as owners struggle to afford to look after them, the RSPCA said.

Despite the recession being over, animals are still facing ‘dark times’ as 40,595 animals were abandoned in 2011 compared to 24,638 in 2007.

The charity is also struggling, finding it harder to rehome abandoned pets and responding to more than 25,000 calls a week from the public.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2226089/RSPCA-Over-100-pets-abandoned-day-Britain-families-l...

[tommy.irene]

Liz Jones should go to the USA.....  How many dogs and cats are put to sleep in the us each year due to ...wiki.answers.com › ... › Mammals › Land Mammals › Dogs (Canines)‎How many cats and dogs are put down each year? Four million cats and dogs -about one every eight sec...

[spawnjohnuk]

she will if they want to join uk's free market 😛

[tommy.irene]

Liz JonesJournalistElizabeth Ann Jones, known as Liz Jones, is a British journalist. She originally followed a career in fashion journalism, but her work has broadened into confessional writing. Jones divides opinion. WikipediaBorn: September 5, 1918 (age 94), EnglandEducation: London College of Communication

     ..    Dont believe everything that you read..

[spawnjohnuk]

I don't believe anything I read tommy

[mitzigirl_123]

Lola I've always respected you for your outspokenness and forthrightness as I do with Merehazle who always posts controversial subjects which is what makes this forum interesting, thought provoking and informative.  

I have always wrestled with people who don't see beyond themselves and whether it is deliberate or accidental it soon becomes evident the complete distain or irreverence they have for the animal kingdom and would rather spend their time ripping a person to shreds than add something of value or constructively to the subject in hand.    So as I have said before, tearing Liz Jones apart serves no purpose at all and while we are all sitting behind our computers venting our spleens, she went out there and actually did something about a dire and awful situation rather than talk about it.

Animals are just as much a part of life as we are and we owe them a duty of care, attention and respect.

As always, there are a few on here who will never see animals (or dogs on this occasion) as others do and they will always be considered "the lesser species" and/or as a food source.

Back in the 80's I founded and ran an animal rescue for 10 years (and worked full time) and there is nothing I haven't seen or experienced and during that period through my interventions my rescue saved over 3,000 lives and now, as an older woman I have to be realistic about what I can achieve and fund and I still rescue but on a smaller scale.  To rescue 3 million dogs is no mean feat so I don't care what Liz Jone's background is - it is the dogs that will benefit and of course the people who run the rescue centres in Romania who will learn how better to care for them in the future and hopefully the funding.

Yes I am sorry for the Romanian people, their economical crisis and political upheavals and Creeky I am equally sorry if you felt attacked by me but I genuinely wanted to know how you sourced your birth rate figures ... and now I know so thank you.

I still support CD's statement "Maybe if they didn't have so many children they might get on better!" and this is true of every country pleading poverty (including our own) irrespective of declining birth rate statistics if you can't afford to have children or live in a war torn or poor country or then don't have them!

By the way, I don't eat animals, wear them or use any products that are tested on them so I hope anyone reading this will value my opinions and I am not labeled as a hypocrite.

Book - I had to look up Ceausescu but we are now in the 21st century and love it or hate it our technology today puts everything and everyone in the public eye and nothing is hidden enabling us to intervene – so yes, it would be appreciated if we could “get back to kittens, puppies” I will leave “Liz Jones' wardrobe” to you to comment on.

[*.*..lola..*.*]

#57 Good Post, Mitzi

So as I have said before, tearing Liz Jones apart serves no purpose at all and while we are all sitting behind our computers venting our spleens, she went out there and actually did something about a dire and awful situation rather than talk about it.

Exactly!

[bookhunter2007]

Book - I had to look up Ceausescu but we are now in the 21st century

Jones uses the same rationale::

"Hilda is just one of the three million stray dogs in Romania, turfed out of homes after the fall of the Iron Curtain and Ceusescu in 1989, when millions of people were relocated into high-tise flats."

Looks like Hilda has had a very impressive innings anyway.

The problem I often find with with animal rights activists/extremists is they don't see beyond their self-imposed Dr Dolittle martyrdom, anthropomorphising, emotive words, & photographs of sad puppy eyes. And whether it is deliberate or accidental, it soon becomes evident the complete disdain or irreverence they have for the "rights" or welfare of humans. After all, any misfortune that happens to humans can simply be brushed off as their "own fault" innit?

Campaigning for more ethical treatment of animals is commendable - But as Jones has done in this instance, using it to simultaneously politicise, demonise and stoke xenophobia isn't imo.