An example of how farcical the bedroom tax is

My neighbour's rent is currently £80 and is 100% paid by housing benefit.


He has a spare bedroom which is a small box room.


He has been told that from April he will have to contribute £11.20 per week towards the rent which he cannot afford so he has found a one bedroom flat to rent in the private sector. The rent for this flat is £90 per week which will be paid 100% by housing benefit.


How can this make sense?

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simple we have a clown as a chancellor and a complete idiot as a pm. or is that the other way round.

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How can this make sense?


 


The council can move a couple with a young child into your neighbouring property thus saving the private rental cost they are currently paying.


 


 

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How can this make sense?


 


The council can move a couple with a young child into your neighbouring property thus saving the private rental cost they are currently paying.


 


 



 


But will the couple you mention renting privately qualify for that council house?


I wouldn't think so


 





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But will the couple you mention renting privately qualify for that council house?


I wouldn't think so


 



 


Are you saying that it is unlikely there are any families on the waiting list that wouldn't qualify for council housing? - I don't think there are many councils in that position.


 

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What i am saying is councils would give priority to existing council tenants who are overcrowded before they would consider private tenants for housing





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The real problem lies with the people who implement any "rules".


 


Because they have no common sense, they have to have "directions" which are a bit rigid and because they are unable to think they "follow rules".


 


Now you could say that following the rules is the same as "obeying orders".


 


I seem to remember reading about a certain culture which excused their actions by bleating that there were "only following orders"............



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The council can move a couple with a young child into your neighbouring property thus saving the private rental cost they are currently paying.


 


They can't. It's a bungalow with a minimum age limit of 50 and over


 


 

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The real problem lies with the people who implement any "rules".


 


Because they have no common sense, they have to have "directions" which are a bit rigid and because they are unable to think they "follow rules".


 


Now you could say that following the rules is the same as "obeying orders".


 


I seem to remember reading about a certain culture which excused their actions by bleating that there were "only following orders"............



If you transported most tory MP's back to the 1930's they would be goose-stepping along with the best of them





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#8,


There's a completely wrong idea of what things would be like if the bureaucracy was implemented by British people of the 1930's.


 


Then, there was no massive bureaucracy which was bleeding the country dry. You can blame the Socialists for the massive expansion of the bureaucratic population with "rules and controls" on everything.


 


Taken to its logical conclusion, it's not a big step to regard everyone as equal and everyone should be treated the same with the same rewards and housing provided by the State (except for the kommisars of course).


 


The old USSR and China have found that those sorts of ideological ideas just don't work in practice.



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In my eyes everyone is equal and as regards to the commissars,that could apply here to the royal family.But back to the op,This policy is supposed to save over £400 million,if as supposed by this government every under occupier swapped in equal numbers with every overcrowded household there would be no savings,but as we now know there is a scarcity of smaller homes to downsize to,and as we also know many people will be forced into private accommodation which will greatly increase the housing benefit bill which this government say the bedroom tax will reduce,I think it was Boris Johnson who likened it to social cleansing


At the same time the bedroom tax hits the poorest,millionaires will be getting a tax cut,says all you need to know about tory policies





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Many Socialists are moved by jealousy.


 


They think the "have-nots" should "have" whether they work for it, deserve it or not.


 


To illustrate that, I think you only have to watch the Socialist hierachy put in to motion their determination to become the "have-a-lots" all paid for by their following masses.



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,this thread is about the bedroom tax and how farcial it is,you maybe should start another thread about politics if you don't want to discuss the bedroom tax





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The council can move a couple with a young child into your neighbouring property thus saving the private rental cost they are currently paying.


 


They can't. It's a bungalow with a minimum age limit of 50 and over


 


 



 


So they move someone in who is over 50 and doesn't claim housing benefit.


 


The council, using your figures, is now receiving £80 and paying out £90, net cost £10 instead of the original £80.

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Hi all, I used to come on this board years ago, can't remember what my 'name' was then. 


 


'Bedroom tax' (actually not a tax but a reduction in Housing Benefit).  Well actually I think it's fair (why should the Government pay for spare bedrooms), but I think people who wish to downsize and can't because there are no smaller properties should be exempted for a couple of years.  I also think fit and healthy pensioners should be included in it.


 


One way to raise the extra cash if you don't have it is to have a lodger in the spare room and use some of  their rent to pay the extra.  The good news is that after October 2013, the lodger's rent will not be counted as income for Benefit purposes.  Therefore the person renting the room can make an income as well as raising enough money to pay the extra.


 


Win-win in all situations.


 


 

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Just to say I am h0lstein's wife:-)

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It's all very well to talk of people moving into private rental but try to find a landlord who will rent to someone on housing benefit.


 


There is also the situation where a council refused to allow a couple with two young children, a girl and boy, to have a two bedroomed house on the grounds they needed three bedrooms and now they stand to lose some of their housing benefit because of the council's decision.


 


It would be interesting to hear an explanation as to why the requirements of the Housing Act 1985 as to over crowding by private landlords whilst it doesn't apply to social housing, is completely ignored by the new rules.


 


Surely it should be at least be a guide to the application of those rules.


 


http://www3.westminster.gov.uk/docstores/publications_store/overcrowding%20excerpt.pdf


 


 

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#12,


I was  discussing (or attempting to) discuss the topic but out came some Socialist vitriol about "tory policies".


 


From posters comments it's pretty clear that what I said at #6 is the root of the "problem".



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So they move someone in who is over 50 and doesn't claim housing benefit.


 


The council, using your figures, is now receiving £80 and paying out £90, net cost £10 instead of the original £80.



 


Don't we have a bit of a nonsense here?


 


Surely if the existing occupant is acting unfairly by occupying a house with a spare bedroom and therefore should lose some of their housing benefit, the fact they move out to allow someone who can pay the rent to move in doesn't make the situation any more fair, the new occupant is also acting unfairly by occupying a house bigger than they need.


 


The chances of new occupants over 50 having children is somewhat remote.


 


Or does 'fairness' depend on whether or not the occupant receives housing benefit.


 


 

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The chances of new occupants over 50 having children is somewhat remote.


 



 


Lots of 40 yr olds have babies. 🙂  So, by 50, they have 10 yr olds.


 


That said, the bungalow may have restrictions on children living there, if it is an over 50s set-up.

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