5p charge for carrier bags starts tomorrow.

Is it a good thing?

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Well, with an ageing population, you could start up a little business; turning them into incontinent knickers.Smiley Indifferent

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@upthecreekyetagain wrote:

If the problem is that 'free' bags are made of plastic, (which seems reasonable), then why are paper bags with handles also banned in Scotland yet the purchase and the use of 'bags for life', (made of more substantial plastic and non-biodegradable), are encouraged?

 

Travel on the Underground or any commuter train at the end of the day and you will see many workers returning home with their shopping - we always have bags in the boot of the car but it's hardly practical to expect those who commute by other means to take bags to work with them 'just in case' they need them.  Paper bags would seem the ideal solution, both recyclable and biodegradable.


I wondered for many years why we ever moved away from paper to plastic carriers, it's all a question of economic and environmental cost. Despite the fact that they come from from a renewable source and are biodegradable, compostable and recyclable, paper bags require far more energy to make and transport than plastic, have less re-use potential and produce methane if dumped in landfill. According to a 2007 study, it takes almost four times as much energy to manufacture a paper bag as a plastic bag. Paper-bag manufacture uses 20 times as much water as plastic and paper requires more energy to be recycled.

 

Admittedly the report did come from a US plastic bag manufacturer so it's anyone's guess how skewed the figures are.

 

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@evoman3957 wrote:

Well, with an ageing population, you could start up a little business; turning them into incontinent knickers.Smiley Indifferent


I was thinking off shower caps..
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We have been using cotton/jute shopping bags for many years now thinking they were the longest lasting and are made from natural materials so would have the lowest impact when disposed of. But as this link shows, all bags have an environmental cost.

 

http://www.wrap.org.uk/content/carrier-bags-material-matters-0

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I always use a backpack, not because it is easy or practical I just like being tazered and strip searched 🙂
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Smiley IndifferentSmiley LOL

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Hi Archie, I never realised a backpack was an aid to being tasered or strip-searched. I thought their main use was to enable you to barge other people out of the way.

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Yesterday after shopping in our local supermarket, I was in the queue at the Check Out, and heard when the young cashier suggested to the much older lady that she should bring her own grocery bags, because plastic bags are not good for the environment. The woman apologised to the young girl & then sighed, "We didn't have this 'green thing' back in my earlier days." The young clerk responded, "That's our problem today. You folk didn't do enough to save our environment for future generations." The older lady said "Ahh yes you're right -- our generation didn't have the "green thing" in its day." She sighed then continued: Back then, we returned milk bottles, lemonade bottles & beer bottles to the shops. The shops then sent them back to the plant to be washed, sterilized & refilled, so those same bottles were used over & over, thus REALLY were recycled. But we didn't have the "green thing" back in our day. Grocery stores put our groceries into brown paper bags that we reused for numerous things. Most memorable was the use of brown paper bags as book covers for our school books. This was to ensure that public property (the books provided for our use by the school) were not defaced by our scribblings. Then we were able to personalise our books on their brown paper bag/covers. But, too bad we didn't do the "green thing" back then. I remember how we walked up stairs because we didn't have an escalator in every store or office building; walked to the grocery store & didn't climb into a 300-horsepower machine every time we had to go 200 yards. . . . But she was right. We didn't have the "green thing" in our day. Back then we washed the baby's nappies because we didn't have the throw away kind. We dried clothes on a line, not in an energy-gobbling machine burning up 220 volts. Wind & solar power really did dry our clothes back in our days. Kids got hand-me-down clothes from their brothers or sisters, not always brand-new clothing. . . . But that young lady is right; we didn't have the "green thing" back in our day. Back then we had one radio, in the house -- not a TV in every room. And if anyone did own a TV, it had a small screen the size of a handkerchief (remember them?), not a screen the size of a football pitch. When cooking we blended & stirred by hand coz we didn't have electric machines to do everything for us. When we packaged a fragile item to send by post, we used layers of old newspapers to cushion it, not Styrofoam or plastic bubble wrap. Back then, we didn't fire up an engine and burn gasoline just to cut the lawn. We used a push mower that ran on human power. We exercised by working so we didn't need to go to a health club to run on treadmills that operate on electricity., , , , But she's right; we didn't have the "green thing" back then. We drank from a tap or fountain when we were thirsty instead of using a cup or a plastic bottle every time we had a drink of water. We refilled writing pens with ink instead of buying a new pen, & we replaced the razor blade in a razor instead of throwing away the whole razor just because the blade got dull. But we didn't have the "green thing" back then. Back then, people took the bus & kids rode bikes to school or walked instead of turning their mothers into a 24-hour taxi service in the family's expensive car or van, which cost what a whole house did before the "green thing".. Oh and we had one electrical outlet in a room, not an entire bank of sockets to power a dozen appliances. And we didn't need a computerized gadget to receive a signal beamed from satellites 23,000 miles out in space in order to find the nearest leisure park. . . . . But it so sad this current generation laments how wasteful we old folks were just because we didn't have the "green thing" back then? . . . I think you should forward this on to another selfish old person who needs a lesson in conservation from some smart young person. .. ... We don't like being old in the first place, so it doesn't take much to iss us off... Especially from a tattooed, multiple pierced smart ass who can't make change without the cash register telling them how much.
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I have read that before and it is true...especially the last bit. When I went for a job in a shop, I had to prove I could do the mental arithmetic to give the correct change. Some tills, in supermarkets would total purchases, and some, in pubs for example just rang up the amount the bar person put in, having added up the prices of the drinks in his or her head first. Neither gave the change amount. Only a couple of years ago a woman at the council put me on hold for 5 minutes while she went to divide a balance by 10 on a calculator. In a shop an assistant could not understand why I made up an amount in order to get a note back instead of a pocket full of change. A couple of one of our 'top' school's top students on work experience could not answer 'what is 15%of 60?' They knew what 10% was, but could not make the leap.

Everything wasn't heavily pre-packaged back in the day.

People moved to plastic bags from paper because the paper bags were not very strong and were vulnerable to rain...we did walk to and from shops back then.
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My grand daughter and her friend have sat ouside tesco all afternoon selling old carrier bags for 2p each. They made about £1.50 before the security man chased them away.

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crooksnanny ~ maz
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Trying to check out at the supermarket and now the problem is not having bags available! I don't mind paying the 5p, I just want to be able to grab a bag and pay for it.

 

But now at the self serve check-outs there's no bags available. Just give me a bag or two and I will happily pay **bleep**!

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This is fun - Sainsbury's bag to use in Tesco's, Tesco's bag to use in Sainsbury's, Waitrose bag to use in Poundland.

 

Why not turn the advertising on its head and walk around a store with their rivals bag doing the advertising.

 

It really hacks off the managment.  I have been offered a free 'bag for life' if I put away my 'rivals' bag on many occasions now.

 

Currently up to 18 bags for life and counting.

 

What is the record?

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I have dozens of bags, too many to count. I never had a 'single use bag' . I always reused them anyway. But using Sainsburys in Waitrose etc...see post 9. I have always done that and if I had to buy a named bag in store, I always turned it inside out before filling it. Had a few funny looks. Waitrose gave away their bags for life, which helped.
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MMmmm that worked well.........excuse me, just fiddling around and getting nowhere.Smiley Very Happy

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