4 Million Women at risk

[tommy.irene]

www.itv.com/news/update/Militant group Isis has ordered all girls and women in and around the Iraqi ...     

[tommy.irene]

The "fatwa" issued by the fighters would potentially afflict 4 million women and girls, UN co-ordinator Jacqueline Badcock said, saying the order was "of grave concern".

This is something very new for Iraq, particularly in this area, and is of grave concern and does need to be addressed. This is not the will of Iraqi people, or the women of Iraq in these vulnerable areas covered by the terrorists...

[welsh.goddess]

it's totally cruel

[saasher2012]

Simple question & excuse my ignorance , why ,& what is the thinking behind this disgusting mutilation?.

[tommy.irene]

The ritual cutting of girls' genitals is practised by some African, Middle Eastern and Asian communities in the belief it prepares them for adulthood or marriage.

FGM poses many health risks to women, including severe bleeding, problems urinating, infections, infertility and increased risk of newborn deaths in childbirth.

The UN General Assembly approved a resolution in December 2012 calling for all member states to ban the practice.

[saasher2012]

Is it considered the same as circumcision In the males Tommy& do they practise that as well or is this delight just for the females?

[tommy.irene]

• Male circumcision - the Islamic View - Converting to Islam

  convertingtoislam.com/circum.html

  Today Muslims are the largest religious nation to circumcise their male offspring. This ritual shows their belonging and closeness to their spiritual ancestor 

[saasher2012]

Hmmmm!. Don't really know what to say , if the women allow their children to be operated ( I use this term because it is amputation in the females case !.) on , out of beliefs, fear of condemnation , superstition, or whAt ever the reason it won't be stopped even if it's against the law!. My only thought would be that if they went through this & suffered the horrific aftermath of it why would they want their daughters to have a lifetime of pain as well, you have listed some of the after effects but the mere act of getting pregnant if at all possible would be as painful as well. Not a nice thought!.

[astrologica]

It is done to prevent girls and women from experiencing any pleasure in sexual relationships. ...all designed to discourage women from having sexual relationships before marriage. And to keep wives faithful after marriage. A disgusting practice, but so deeply entrenched in some societies, that women feel like outsiders and outcasts if it is not done. And to think that the practice has been imported into this country. The sooner we begin prosecuting and jailing the people who do this, the better.

[astrologica]

Slightly off topic, and I hope you don't mind..but does anyone know what the attitude of Islam is to birth control? I know that the Catholic faith discourages birth control, but most Muslim families seem to have lots of children too. Lots of children, born into poverty.

[saasher2012]

I did wonder if that was at the back of it Astro!. Usually is I'm afraid but hidden behind ritual& faith. I don't suppose it xd their minds that if the woman is not enjoying the experience neither is her partner, oh no I forgot woman are of no account!.

[saasher2012]

The more the merrier I think , don't forget it is cause for divorce if the chattel oops sorry wife is barren!

[tommy.irene]

Islamic views on contraception  www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/islam/islamethics/contraception.shtml

Islamic medicine has known about birth control for centuries - for example the Muslim writers Avicenna (980-1037) and Al-Razi (d 923 or 924) refer to different methods of contraception.

Islam is strongly pro-family and regards children as a gift from God.

Muslim sexual ethics forbid sex outside marriage, so its teachings about birth control should be understood within the context of husband and wife.

There is no single attitude to contraception within Islam; however eight of the nine classic schools of Islamic law permit it.

But more conservative Islamic leaders have openly campaigned against the use of condoms or other birth control methods, thus making population planning in many countries ineffective.

This resistance to birth control was reflected in 2005 when a conference involving 40 Islamic scholars from 21 countries urged fresh efforts to push population planning and better reproductive health services.

[astrologica]

Thank you Tommy......it is as I suspected then.

[joe_bloggs*]

Mmmmmm,I suspect you already knew that but wanted someone else to post it.....

[bankhaunter]

FGM is all to do with mans desire to hang on to his possession, his woman.

Hair covering, body covering to avoid other men being attracted to her and FGM to spoil her enjoyment of sex, it won't spoil for the man.

Having those things as tenets of a religion is simply a way of covering up the real reason.

Even in western countries there are men who are happy their partners become dowdy and unattractive for the same purpose.

[astrologica]

No Joe....I didn't know, otherwise I wouldn't have raised the question. Like many others, I have some ideas and thoughts about these things, but I am well aware that I am not an expert. I don't have a lot of time to research questions like this, so I posed the question on here hoping that someone would know the answer. And indeed....someone did and the answer was along the lines of what I was expecting. OK?

[merehazle]

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joe_bloggs* wrote:

Mmmmmm,I suspect you already knew that but wanted someone else to post it.....

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Mmmmmmm, and perhaps someone is being unnecessarily rude?!  Why on earth would you suspect that?

Why should she be a ''suspect''?   And why would she want someone else to post it?

Mmmmmmm, perhaps YOU should give an answer to that?  Or most wont know what the hell you are talking about?

And she has given her answer at  # 13. OK?

Rather

[saasher2012]

I also asked a question, I wasn't sure of my facts either!.

[merehazle]

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@merehazle wrote:

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@joe_bloggs* wrote:

Mmmmmm,I suspect you already knew that but wanted someone else to post it.....

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Mmmmmmm, and perhaps someone is being unnecessarily rude?!  Why on earth would you suspect that?

Why should she be a ''suspect''?   And why would she want someone else to post it?

Mmmmmmm, perhaps YOU should give an answer to that?  Or most wont know what the hell you are talking about?

And she has given her answer at  # 13. OK?

Rather? And I would rather not have that word rather there. Where did that come from? 

See you.

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