22-01-2025 5:21 PM
Hi all.
I am a private seller but, just to be sure on any income tax issues as I am retired on state pension, I want to print my monthly sales transaction sheets which is on ebay but it won't let me print it as I don't have excel on my laptop.
Does anyone know if there's any way this can be done please.
Many thanks
22-01-2025 5:26 PM
LibreOffice Calc is a completely free alternative to Excel.
If you're just selling off your own unwanted items (i.e. you're not trading) your eBay sales will not affect your tax position in any way.
22-01-2025 6:22 PM
I would have thought so too but the govt has clearly said that, even for private side hacks, for sales on ebay, vinted etc for total annual sales over £1000 it has to be declared.
Everything I'm selling is my own personal items but now I'm retired I'm getting rid of a lot of stuff & i'm already over the above threshold
22-01-2025 6:25 PM - edited 22-01-2025 6:26 PM
The government has most certainly not said that. Where did you get it from?
£1,000 is a trading allowance, you only get/need it if you are trading. Selling your unwanted personal possessions is not trading.
22-01-2025 6:51 PM
This may help... @keeshyakat
There's no new 'side hustle tax'!
We want to give you peace of mind that there’s no new ‘side hustle tax’ or a change to existing tax rules for selling online.
In general, selling personal items is not taxed if they’re below £6,000 and you’re not selling as part of a business.
So, you still won’t pay tax unless:
You are ‘trading’ or buying and selling multiple items to try and make a profit or run a business
You sell an asset for more than £6,000 (the level where capital gains tax may apply)
Check out these examples:
Grace, Manchester
Grace sells old clothes to make space in her wardrobe. Even if she sells a lot of her old or unwanted clothes she isn’t trading and sells her old clothes for less than she paid for them, so there is no tax.
Annual eBay sales: £420
Annual eBay profit: £0
Taxes owed: £0
Claire, Bristol
Claire sold her old furniture when she was moving house. Some of the furniture was valuable, but always less than £6,000 per item, so there is no tax.
Annual eBay sales: £4,000
Annual eBay profit: £0
Taxes owed: £0
Ben, London
Ben sells his collection of trading cards for a profit. Even though he receives £18,000 and makes a profit of £2,900, he has a capital gains tax-free allowance, so there is no tax.
Annual eBay sales: £18,000
Annual eBay profit: £2,900
Taxes owed: £0
Do I have to share information with HMRC?
From January 2024, new UK digital sales reporting rules require digital platforms like eBay to share information with them. However, this reporting doesn’t change your tax obligations.
On eBay, this should only affect newly registered accounts in 2024, which will extend to all accounts in 2025.
eBay will only report if you pass certain yearly sales thresholds:
In general, selling personal items is not taxed if they’re below £6,000 and you’re not selling as part of a business.
When you may need to pay tax for selling goods online (according to HMRC)
Generally, only business sellers trading for profit might need to pay tax.
If you’re selling unwanted personal possessions, such as used clothes, an old mobile phone or unwanted furniture, it’s very unlikely you will have to pay income tax.
If you sell possessions for more than you paid for them you may have to pay capital gains tax, but only if your item sells for more than £6,000 and you exceed your annual allowance for such gains (currently £3,000).
For more information on when you may need to pay tax for selling goods online, see guidance and examples from HMRC.
You can also use HMRC’s ‘checker’ anonymously to check whether you may need to report any income.
Keep selling with confidence
Tax can be complicated. If you have any questions about whether you’re running a business or whether you have capital gains to pay on asset sales over £6,000, you should consult a tax advisor or look to guidance and examples from HMRC.
22-01-2025 6:55 PM
Trading allowance - For those who require information.
The trading allowance – or, as it is sometimes called, the hobby allowance – can be very useful for people earning small amounts of self-employment, casual or miscellaneous income, particularly if you have low expenses.
However, it can be easy to make a mistake when working out how to use the trading allowance, especially if you receive your income after some expenses have already been deducted. This article explains how to use the trading allowance, some of the pitfalls and what you can do if you have made a mistake when claiming it.
The trading allowance is an amount of up to £1,000 per tax year which you can use against any gross income made from self-employment, casual or miscellaneous sources (such as babysitting or selling goods through a website).
You can use the trading allowance as well as the personal allowance.
Your total gross income from self-employment and other activities is £1,000 or less – full relief
If you have total gross income from self-employment, casual and miscellaneous sources which is £1,000 or less then you can get ‘full relief’ using the trading allowance (see the example below). This means you do not have to register your self-employment with HMRC or complete a Self Assessment tax return, unless you have other reasons to submit one.
For example, if you have some gross self-employment income of £800 and some gross casual income of £125, you could use the trading allowance instead of registering your self-employment with HMRC or completing a tax return (unless you needed to for another reason as mentioned above). This means the £925 is not taxed and you do not use your personal allowance against it.
You can never use the trading allowance to make a loss. So in the example above, you have £925 of income against which you can use the £1,000 trading allowance. But you do not take away the £1,000 allowance from the £925 income, to give a minus figure (or loss) of £75. The £75 is just spare allowance, which is not used.
If you have to complete a tax return for another reason, then you do not need to include income that is fully covered by the trading allowance. If you have previously been in Self Assessment but now don’t need to be because your income is covered by the trading allowance, then you could contact HMRC and ask them if they will agree to withdraw any notice to file a tax return they have sent.
Your total gross income from self-employment and other activities is over £1,000 – partial relief
If your total gross self-employment, casual and miscellaneous income is more than £1,000 then you can claim ‘partial relief’ using the trading allowance. This means you can take away £1,000 from your gross income instead of any actual business expenses or capital allowances.
For example, if you have total gross self-employment income of £2,600 and expenses of £450 then it would be beneficial to claim partial relief using the trading allowance, as this would reduce your self-employment profits to £1,600 (£2,600 minus £1,000) rather than deducting actual expenses under the usual rules, which would give you a profit of £2,150 (£2,600 minus £450).
You should submit a Self Assessment tax return if you are claiming partial relief using the trading allowance. You claim partial relief by completing the relevant box on the tax return.
There may be some occasions when it is better for you not to use the trading allowance. It is also important to understand that you still need to report the income covered by the trading allowance for some means-tested benefits, such as universal credit (although not for tax credits). There is a link to more explanation at the end of this article.
Gross trading income means all your trading, miscellaneous and casual income before taking off any expenses.
Identifying the ‘gross’ amount of income can sometimes be tricky, particularly if charges are deducted before receiving the income directly into your bank account. Examples of charges could be selling fees or transaction costs charged by a platform or even tax under the Construction Industry Scheme (CIS).
Example – understanding gross income
You receive a payment of £892.50 direct to your bank account from a website which sells your craft goods. However, the website charges 15% fees to sell your goods and they take this from the income from the sale of your goods before they pay you. Your gross trading income is actually £1,050 even though you only receive £892.50, as shown below:
£ | |
Sale price (gross income) | 1,050.00 |
Minus: website fees (15%) | 157.50 |
Amount you receive in bank account | 892.50 |
This means that you are not eligible for full relief trading allowance and will need to register for self-employment and complete a tax return as your trading income is over £1,000. You can still claim on your tax return instead of your actual expenses which will reduce your trading income to £50 (£1,050 gross income minus the £1,000 trading allowance).
Be extra careful when using apps to track your income, expenses and manage income tax. If the app picks up the information directly from your bank account, there is a possibility it will record income which has had expenses deducted before it is paid into the bank (such as the 15% selling fees in the example above). The app will then produce an inaccurate calculation of your gross income which could lead to an incorrect claim for the trading allowance.
In summary, the issue highlighted above is that the income you receive might have had amounts taken off and so it could be different to your gross income for the trading allowance. If you (or your app) have taken the amount from your bank statements as gross income, this might have been incorrect when working out how the £1,000 trading allowance applies.
If you have claimed the trading allowance incorrectly, perhaps by using full relief when your gross income is actually above £1,000 as per the example above, then you need to make sure you correct your tax position as soon as possible.
This may mean you have to register your self-employment with HMRC and complete a tax return to declare the income. There may be penalties if you have missed the deadline for telling HMRC that you need to complete a tax return. If you are in this position and on a low income, contact TaxAid for help in getting your tax affairs up to date.
If you already complete a tax return for other reasons and claimed ‘full relief’ using the trading allowance by mistake, you will need to amend your tax return to include this income. You can however, then claim ‘partial relief’ of the trading allowance instead of actual expenses (see above).
You will also need to amend your tax return if you have incorrectly claimed ‘partial relief’ against income that has already been reduced by actual expenses.
Example – trading allowance, partial relief incorrectly claimed
In the 2020/21 tax year you received income in your bank account from online sales of £2,000. You worked out that your actual expenses you directly paid out were £800. Because the £1,000 trading allowance is more than the £800 expenses, you claimed trading allowance ‘partial relief’. This meant your taxable profit was £1,000 (£2,000 income minus the £1,000 trading allowance). You put this on the tax return you submitted to HMRC.
After reading this article, you look back at your £2,000 sales and realise that this was the amount you received in your bank account and there had been £400 in fees taken off before you received it. This means that your gross trading income was £2,400. Your total expenses were £1,200 – the £400 fees plus the other £800 expenses you had already included.
This means that your 2020/21 tax return should have showed total gross trading income of £2,400, minus £1,200 expenses, which leaves a profit of £1,200. Actual expenses should have been claimed instead of trading allowance partial relief as the actual expenses of £1,200 are more than the £1,000 trading allowance. Your profit was therefore £200 higher than the £1,000 you put on your tax return. You need to amend your 2020/21 tax return.
There is information on our page ‘What is the trading allowance?’ which includes:
We cover how the trading allowance works if you have claimed the Self-employment Income Support Scheme (SEISS) grants on our page ‘SEISS: where do I include the grants on my tax return?’
There is also further technical guidance in HMRC’s Business Income Manual on GOV.UK.
22-01-2025 7:00 PM
Thank you for replying. The various press has had articles several times over the past months as well as that finance adviser (Martin Lewis? who is often on with articles & saving/finance tips) all citing the govt rules.
Each said it is not just traders but anyone with a side hack making more than £1000 pa.
The personal tax allowance (£12570) would still apply but with that frozen the remaining tax free "space" between that & the state pension (£11502.40) is getting smaller.
It's very confusing!
22-01-2025 7:02 PM
A side hack is trading, perhaps that's where you are getting confused.
Selling personal possessions is not a side hack.
22-01-2025 7:07 PM - edited 22-01-2025 7:11 PM
The trading allowance is available to those with trading or miscellaneous income. The allowance is sometimes also known as the trading and miscellaneous income allowance, or hobby allowance. On this page, we look at when you are entitled to the trading allowance and how it is applied.
The trading allowance is a tax free allowance for casual and/or miscellaneous income of up to £1,000 per tax year. The allowance can be used against any trading, casual or miscellaneous income and means that you do not pay tax or National Insurance on the income that is covered by the allowance. This might include income from what is often known as the ‘sharing economy’ – for example, car sharing – or perhaps against income arising from hobby activities which are in the process of developing into a more commercial business. It might also be relevant to those working in the gig economy.
You can use the trading allowance as well as the personal allowance. It is not an automatic allowance like the personal allowance, and so may need to be specifically claimed in some circumstances.
You are entitled to claim the trading allowance if either:
On this page only we will now refer to trading income to cover trading, casual and miscellaneous income.
The trading allowance is available even if you have only traded for part of the tax year. For example, if you started to trade in February 2024 you would still be able to claim the full amount of the trading allowance as if you had been trading for the entire 2023/24 tax year.
On this page only we will now refer to trading income to cover trading, casual and miscellaneous income.
If your total (gross) trading income in the tax year is £1,000 or less, then the whole of this income can be covered by the trading allowance. This is known as full relief. You should be able to calculate your total income from your business records.
It is important that you look at total (gross) trading income to see if it is £1,000 or less. We explain under the heading Gross trading income below when you might find it difficult to identify your ‘gross’ trading income, particularly if some expenses such as selling fees are deducted before the income is paid into your bank account.
If the trading allowance is more than the trading income, no trading loss is created.
If this is your only income, you do not need to make a formal claim for the allowance and you do not need to register your self-employment with HM Revenue & Customs (HMRC) or complete a self assessment tax return. If you are already registered to complete a tax return, then contact HMRC to see if you still need to complete it.
If you need to complete a self assessment tax return for another reason (see Who has to complete a tax return), then you enter your trading allowance on page 1 of the self-employment (short) pages (SA103S) of the tax return by completing box 10.1 to show the amount you are claiming.
You should still keep records of your trading income and expenses so you can work out whether you are entitled to use the trading allowance, and if so, whether you want to do so.
Please note that even if you do not have to report this income to HMRC you may still need to report it for some means-tested benefits, such as universal credit.
Miscellaneous income is subject to income tax broadly if it is either:
The most common type of taxable miscellaneous income that you are likely to come across is hobby income. This is generally income from activity that is not a trade or profession – so they are not self-employed. However, payment has been or is agreed for the service or item. Typical examples of hobby income may include:
Remember there is also a tax free allowance of £12570 per annum.
Further information about this is on
litrg dot org dot uk and the dot gov..
Edit to add... I am unable to add links... so have highlighted some important information which may be of assistance.
22-01-2025 7:40 PM - edited 22-01-2025 7:42 PM
@keeshyakat Looking at your listings, it appears that you are selling your own personal possessions, therefore you are not trading.
Unless you are a " hobby seller" ie. buying and selling items on ( perhaps amending/repairing them, refurbishing etc ) but not with a view to make a profit as a business would, as it is not a trade or profession...therefore they/you are not self-employed... this would come under " miscellaneous income" and subject to tax possibly if it takes you over your personal tax allowance of £12570.
This is where it gets confusing.. HMRC are well aware of the category " Hobby sellers" and there is a trading allowance of £1000...You do not have to register as self-employed or a business. However, eBay are pushing many private sellers - which many could be hobby sellers to register for an EBAY Business account ... this is to garner their fees, that is all, and nothing to do with tax purposes or HMRC.
The " legislation" regarding online selling ( whereby marketplace platforms now need to report sellers information to HMRC) is to ensure that those who are running businesses are registered correctly and declaring their income to HMRC and following Consumer Law. Also, possibly those on ( means- tested) benefits who are not declaring additional "miscellaneous income"...
I think people are getting confused because of the new legislation and eBay reporting to HMRC and the HMRC £1000 trading allowance.
eBay platform... if you sell more than 30 items or over £1750 per annum, ebay now have to report your information to HMRC due to Gov legislation. Even if you are selling your personal items there should be zero tax implications, but there could be Capital Gains Tax. ( you would need to research this further, normally applies to " collections" that may have been purchased decades ago and now have increased in significant value, therefore a "profit" could be made - however you also have a CGT allowance to offset)
HMRC £1000 - TRADING allowance (This is not selling your personal possessions, as you are NOT trading)
Note-IF you are already self-employed - just declare any additional income on your self- assessment if you are either
1. Trading
2. Hobby Seller
3. Any other miscellaneous income... ie rent from property , interest on bank accounts etc.
Hopefully this should help, it is not a full " catalogue" of what is required ( or not) but just some information to assist.
Alternatively give HMRC a call for peace of mind.
Edit to add keeshyakat as reply button did not work...
22-01-2025 7:47 PM
Lots of wonderful advice. But gosh, this is all so confusing. All the articles definitely said "a side hack selling your own personal but no longer wanted items" was included & need to declare sales per annum of over the £1000 threshold.
One of the above replies also mentions that & that the selling platform websites have to now declare any seller with annual sales total over £1000 &/or over 30 transactions.
Why does tax have to be so difficult to understand lol (especially as a brain aneurysm SAH survivor my grey matter is not the same as it was before)
Thank you all for your help though, I shall read & try to understand it better
22-01-2025 7:50 PM
If you are selling your personal possessions and they are below £6000 there should be zero tax implications.. UNLESS you are trading ie. selling as part of a business and/or you sell an item or collection of £6000 or more which could be subject to Capital Gains Tax.
By all means print off or keep a record/details of what you have sold so that you have it to hand in case HMRC do contact you, but personal items below £6000 are not subject to tax bearing in mind your personal tax allowance.
22-01-2025 8:29 PM
I totally understand where you are coming from @keeshyakat brain injuries are a huge "bleep" to deal with.
To keep it simple... If you are selling your personal possessions whether it be clothes you no longer want or furniture or other belongings perhaps from a move or a bereavement, whatever the reason... You are not running a " side hustle" there is no " side hustle" and therefore there should be zero tax implications. They are your own personal belongings so you are not running a business , nor are you trading.
HMRC £1000 - Is a trading allowance - You're not trading, so please do not worry about this.
eBay Selling - There is new gov legislation whereby all online marketplaces need to report accounts which go over the 30 items or £1750 to HMRC. If you are selling your personal items this is nothing to be concerned about as you are not a business nor are you trading.
" Miscellaneous income" is taxable. It could be anything from providing a service ( an agreement or a contract whereby you would do something for someone and a fee is exchanged ) or a "hobby seller"... these are not businesses and are not classed as trading... as there is no trade or profession and therefore you are not self-employed.
If your total selling online amounts to below £6000 per year - there should be no tax implications.
But if you sell a personal "asset" over £6000 there could be capital gains tax ( some assets do not incur CGT, remembering also that it is calculated on the gain not the amount of money you receive for the " asset")
Remember also that there is CGT free allowance of £3000 and personal tax free allowance £12570 per annum.
Try not to worry, it is confusing especially being bombarded with new information from different sources and trying to process.
I am off now to have a cuppa 😉
22-01-2025 8:31 PM
Below £6000 per year, you are okay 😉
22-01-2025 9:45 PM
@vintique*violet wrote:
Below £6000 per year, you are okay 😉
For a single item (asset), not the total from a number of individual sales.
22-01-2025 9:50 PM
@vintique*violet wrote:Below £6000 per year, you are okay 😉
For a single item (asset), not the total from a number of individual sales.
Asset is for CGT... and not all assets are included for Capital Gains Tax.
Individual sales of personal items below £6000 - it is under TOTAL SELLING ONLINE AMOUNTS per annum- there should be no tax implications!
22-01-2025 11:22 PM - edited 22-01-2025 11:27 PM
Question for you - as there is far too much confusing information and thought I would check the Traders £1000 allowance...
Trading and Traders Allowance £1000 -- like you and many others believe that this applies to traders only and not anyone selling personal possessions and yet there is a significant number of sites saying the following...that ALL SELLERS ( and this includes those using online platforms) = traders personal allowance of £1000 and if over you need to report? so I can see why @keeshyakat was asking...
All sellers are granted a £1,000 tax-free allowance for ‘trading income’. So if all your trading income is below this threshold, you won’t need to tell HMRC and fill in a Self Assessment tax return.
For example, if you’ve sold a pair of unwanted shoes for £50 and bought some games from a car boot and resold them for profit for £100, then the total of your trading and casual income is £150.
Only £100 of this money would count towards your Trading Allowance limit of £1,000, so you wouldn’t need to tell HMRC. However, if you sell items worth more than £1,000 over the year, you will need to tell HMRC by registering for Self Assessment. So it’s a good idea to keep track of how much you’re earning, and if you think your income is over £1,000 contact the HMRC for advice.
And don’t worry - just because you register for Self Assessment, it doesn’t necessarily mean you’ll owe tax to HMRC. What’s known as your personal tax allowance means you can earn £12,570 a year before you must pay any tax.
Thoughts?
Edit to add info source... money helper org
22-01-2025 11:40 PM
In addition to previous message(s)...
This maybe helpful for those who are trying to seek information...
HMRC have issued a statement clarifying that the new reporting of data from online platforms to HMRC from January 2025, does not change people’s tax obligations.
New rules are now in place that require online platforms to collect information on the money made by those offering accommodation, transport and personal services through platforms and to report the information to HMRC. These rules also apply to those selling goods if they make €2,000 (approximately £1,700) or more, or complete 30 or more transactions within a calendar year.
By 31 January 2025, the platforms must report information about any new users who signed up to their platform in the 2024 calendar year. The reports covering the 2025 calendar year onwards (due 31 January 2026 onwards) will be for all platform users – old and new – who fall into the criteria.
In the statement issued by HMRC about the impact of the new rules on platform users, Angela MacDonald, HMRC’s Second Permanent Secretary and Deputy Chief Executive Officer, says:
”We cannot be clearer – if you are not trading and just occasionally sell unwanted items online – there is no tax due.
As has always been the case, some people who are trading through websites or selling services online may need to be paying tax and registering for Self Assessment.”
HMRC’s statement goes on to explain:
“The new reporting requirements for digital platforms came into effect at the start of 2024. It is not a new tax and whether people are selling personal items on eBay, renting homes out on Airbnb or delivering takeaways through Just Eat – no tax rules have changed.
Those who sold at least 30 items or earned roughly £1,700 (equivalent to €2,000), or provided a paid-for service, on a website or app in 2024 will be contacted by the digital platform in January to say their sales data and some personal information will be sent to HMRC due to new legal obligations”.
HMRC’s statement also confirms that the sharing of sales data does not automatically mean that an individual needs to complete a tax return and/or pay tax on their sales.
If you make sales of goods or services using an online platform and are unsure if you need to complete a tax return to report the income, we have produced lots of helpful information. This includes a handy flowchart.
If you need further help to work out if you need to pay tax and/or complete a self assessment tax return, we have the following pages on our website:
Over the last year, we have also published several other news articles looking in more detail at the impact of the new OECD platform reporting rules on sellers. A few examples are:
Remember, the new platform reporting rules do not create new tax rules for people. However, the platform reports will make it easier for HMRC to spot if people have not paid tax when they should have. The first reports for new platform users in 2024 will cover the 2024 calendar year – some of which falls in the 2023/24 UK tax year. If you need to complete a 2023/24 self assessment tax return but have not yet told HMRC – you still have time, as we explain here.
If you are trying to complete your tax return for the first time, we have recently published an article giving you some information about accessing, filling in and submitting a 2023/24 tax return, and providing you with some helpful tips to get you through the process.
If there are any earlier tax years that require bringing up to date, you may want to seek assistance – as we set out in our guidance. If you cannot afford to pay for a professional accountant or tax advice, TaxAid may be able to assist you with historic problems and get things right going forward.
If you need further assistance from HMRC or the tax charities but are struggling with next steps because English isn’t your first language, you can watch our translated videos (in several different languages such as Portuguese and Polish) on how to get the help you need.
HMRC have worked with financial influencer Abigail Foster to produce a video about selling personal items online. This is available on X, Facebook, LinkedIn and Instagram. You should be cautious when viewing other tax related content from online influencers, particularly where the content is not produced in collaboration with HMRC and we recommend you check any information on the GOV.UK official website.
HMRC also have a carousel post on Facebook, X, Instagram and LinkedIn which will be more relevant to people selling goods and services as part of a business.
HMRC say they are working alongside online platforms to ensure sellers receive clear guidance on their tax responsibilities. If you do not think that your online platform is being helpful or you are seeing confusing or mixed messages, please let us know. Although we can’t give individual advice, it is helpful for our work to understand problems that online sellers may be facing.
www.litrg.org.uk/news/hmrc-couldnt-be-clearer-there-no-new-side-hustle-tax
22-01-2025 11:49 PM
Totals and Orders now reflect your year-to-date sales and the number of orders, allowing you to review trends and assess if you need to comply with the UK Digital Sales Reporting legislation.
click on learn more and it will take you to a new eBay page about the DSR ( Digital sales reporting)...
Have a read and when you get to point 3 .. it shows you how to view your sales reports
You can see how much you've sold and earned in a year in the sales overview in My eBay or the Seller Hub performance tab. All you need to do is select "Current year" as the time period in the bar at the top of the page.
Hope this helps @keeshyakat
23-01-2025 12:04 AM - edited 23-01-2025 12:07 AM
In addition to above message for @keeshyakat
To view financial transactions/statements go to Overview - Payments (you may need to log in again) then scroll to the bottom, and you should see Payment Reports with your Financial Statements for you to download so you can view them and print them.
Hope this helps
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