Thoughts on the HMRC and National Insurance Number issue

I'm no longer selling due to Simple Delivery and I am sure that that will affect eBay's revenue from private sellers as well as have a knock-on effect from people buying less due to having less to spend. I should just forget it but the whole thing is starting to feel a bit Big Brother and living rent-free in my head. Likewise, the topic of HMRC demanding eBay sellers' National Insurance Numbers is eating away at me.

 

If one analyses how often we pay tax and how much, it is both sickening and frightening. When we buy a new item, we have probably already paid VAT on it. If we, as private sellers, want to sell it, we are unlikely to be doing so at a profit and I think that in many cases (more often than not for me), we are doing so in order to upgrade to a newer or better item of the same type, if not to have money to spend on other things. By limiting how much we can sell without paying tax and not taking this into consideration seems unfair.

 

I'm chewing this over as I'm typing so it may not come across completely rationally but isn't double-dipping tax going to result in a downward consumer spiral. Just as I have a box of stuff which I am unable to list due to Simple Delivery which means that I will have less to spend, if I were to sell stuff, I'd be very careful not to reach the limit for HMRC reporting (monetary or 2½  items per month!). I am sure that there are reasons inspiring the Treasury but a nation's economic health is basically about the movement of money - not how much money the government can suck out of the economy to fund white elephant projects that nobody is interested in. I think that there is an air of misery which may be explained by economic incompetence or even ideology.

 

I have already started to give some stuff away that I would normally try to sell because it isn't worth the hassle. I'm not saying that to virtue signal, I've often given items away which have been impractical to sell, but when money stops moving, it isn't called stagnation for nothing. Far worse is stagflation when prices also increase and that is where we are heading.

 

Apologies for rambling but I have never felt so despondent about eBay and I think that eBay may be a litmus test for the bigger picture. I once heard a famous economist say that when a big company removes the plants from the foyer, you know that they are in financial trouble - it's the little things that give it away.

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@gnosemalf wrote:

@papso22 wrote:

Have you checked how many items you have sold this year?  You have sold 20 in the last 3 months alone so are probably over the 30 item threshold already.


You are being tracked by 'concerned citizens' without the need for Digital ID.


What are you on about?

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If you are hoping to avoid handing over your NI number to ebay you need to track your sales.   If you haven't reached either one of the thresholds you should remove your listings when you get close.

 

If you are not bothered then carry on.  From  what you say you have no tax  liability anyway.

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I just receive massage from ebay to provide my nin number my sales in this year is £560 after all fees 32 items. Most of the sales are staff that I make on my 3d printer plus some my personal belongings I wonder if hmrc contact me.😅

 

second think why is 1740£ not 1000£ as hmrc say on they website.

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Well they might if you keep going, given 3D printing goods would be considered trading. Outside of HMRC, eBay would consider you should be on a business seller account, again, for the 3D printed stuff, like the f1 logo (do you have the rights to use their logo?)

 

£1,000 is the trading allowance by the way, the £1,740 is the reporting level for the digital sales reporting. Different things.

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very good point with that logo its very new no sales on this I removed it anyway.

 

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My thoughts?  I removed most of my listings after "Simple Delivery". I have however sold some Silver (CGT free) Any profit on that is only taxable when it meets the CGT threshold.

 

After a few nagging e-mails from EBay re Tax registration this  "Member since: 27-Apr-03 in United Kingdom" has had enough and am, immediately after writing this post, deleting my EBay account.    

 

There are better platforms out there, some of which actually PREVENT scam sellers (often thom China) selling FAKE Gold and Silver Bullion coins. 

 

Good luck remaining sellers.

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UPDATE: Oh surprise surprise! I can't close my account until I provide my NI number. 

I have asked support to confirm that my NI number will ONLY be stored on a geographic UK based cloud server - they can't confirm that.

Everyone take note of that... PII (particularly financially related PII - like your NI number) should NEVER be stored (including back ups) on a cloud service external to the UK. It's pretty basic data protection.

 

Also, never forget, in 2014, EBay had a data breach resulting in 145 MILLION people having some of their personal information exposed.

This is why this IS a big deal.

 

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Before handing your NI number over to EBay, ask them to confirm your data will only be held in a UK Cloud location.  I'll tell you now, they can't or won't confirm this. Storing it, or even accessing this information from outside the UK is a breach of GDPR, unless you have given express consent.

 

Of course, they will never be bought to account for this - but some of us remember their data breach in 2014. 145 million users impacted.

 

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I doubt support would know or even know what you are asking.

 

I agree it’s a perfectly valid question be asking, I imagine you might need to position that question to the data controller.

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You could just stop using it. 

 

Personally, I'd leave your account open in case you do want to buy anything, or decide to sell again in the future (if you close the account you'll need to start all over again and will lose your high feedback score, which is good provenance for potential buyers).

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I have stopped using it... but leaving on open account is a security risk. EBay don't really care about that though. 

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