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Simple Delivery - loss/theft in transit

Member for well over 20 years, first time of selling on Ebay.


26th Oct
I was the seller in an Ebay transaction. I sent 2 coins packaged securely to the buyer - the item was collected from my home and I received a confirmation from Royal Mail - all under the terms of Ebay's Simple Delivery.

 

Subsequently the buyer reported to me that the package when it arrived had an opening/slit in the corner and the package only contained 1 coin. He duly reported the matter to Ebay.

 

Ebay wrote to me immediately, ".... Since you chose Simple Delivery, we’ve got everything covered from here. There’s nothing you need to do. We’ll take care of delivery, resolve any further issues, and inform you when the request is closed."

 

Subsequently Ebay has taken the very simple situation I had & turned into many strange events & cases with labels that are confusing:

28th Oct Item not received Case #
28th Oct Item not received Case # This case has been closed.
1st Nov Return : Return requested
3rd Nov return Case #: We’re reviewing the buyer’s return
8th Nov return Case #: We refunded the buyer on your behalf


I have appealed & just heard of their decision to decline.

 

The buyer did not want to return the coin that he received. He said so in messages including a ".. seems to me not sensible". He was coerced into doing so by Ebay who told him that was the only way he'll receive a refund. Since that time Ebay has faciilitated the return(1 coin missing), debited me with the buyers original costs of purchase and the postal charges for that and put at risk the 1 coin that remained. That coin is now safely received by me.

 

During this period I have spoken with 4-5 Ebay agents without gaining a proper understanding as to what on earth they are doing. During my very last such chat I asked why the contract & promises from Ebay regarding Simple Delivery cases have not been honoured. I was told that they had not (yet) reneged on it, but that I must wait for the return and report a defective return which I did. I'm now told this morning that they will not be refunding me beacuse return was defective because the delivery was defective - not a surprise there. I cannot see anything here apart from plain robbery.

 

It seems as if a (Small) court claim is the only remedy I have. However, I thought I'll post here in case someone may be able to advise me of anything else that I might try first.

[see "what is Simple Delivery?" at the URL - retracted here to avoid spam msg
I focus on these parts of that outline:
"Once your item sells, you’ll receive a prepaid printable label and QR code, which automatically includes tracking for your order so you can get paid faster. The best part is your items are fully protected in case of loss or damage in transit."

"From the moment your item is scanned by the courier until delivery confirmation, the full value of the item is covered against loss or damage during transit. Plus, you won’t have to worry about responding to buyer claims."]

 

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Do you know what sort of reason for the return case (not the first 'not received' case) the buyer chose?

 

If the buyer chose 'damaged in post' (or words to that effect) ebay will pick up the tab, refund the buyer and leave your payment with you.

 

If the buyer chose 'not as described' ebay will make the buyer return the item and the seller has to refund.

 

So it looks like the buyer chose reason 2 here........

 

Were there any photographs of the slit packaging in the case ?

Is there a photograph on the 'proof of delivery' showing the slit packaging?

 

 

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Hi Lucy,

Thanks very very much for replying.

Regarding the "Return Request" , I have searched all the places where
additional detail may occur but can find none. The only thing I have seen
is the buyer reporting: "I haven’t received a replacement coin or refund
for the coin, there should have been 2 1oz silver coins only 1 was in the
damaged envelope when it was delivered. " In short, I cannot see any
secondary classification or additional description relating to this. But
during a chat with an Agent, he did advise me that the buyer has indicated
"Damaged in post".

Photos of the bag etc: The buyer took & forwarded 2 pictures, but the bag
picture was clearly after he opened it fully. I managed to elicit from him
that, the original slit (time of delivery) was to the top left corner of
the bag as photographed.

I have no knowledge of photographs existing on 'proof of delivery'. I
questioned the buyer about these events just a couple of days & it is
evident that Ebay have not questioned him at all regarding the
circumstances of the delivery. I don't think further detail here is
appropriate.

If I have not answered the questions or you know of places where to find
the answers please let me know.

Whilst I have you here, if I may ask another question, please. I have 4-5
items currently travelling around UK's Royal Mail depots and many finally
returned to where they started - so not yet delivered. How should I respond
to any likely 'Item not received' cases if they are simply missing?

Cheers
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Are you absolutely sure this was a 'Simple Delivery' sale?

 

i.e. when you listed it were you given any other options apart from S.D.?

 

(Now I know they were *silver* coins, I'm a bit non-plussed........  AFAIK , silver is not covered under Simple Delivery???)

 

 

 

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Definitely - I lacked the experience of selling here to even know it. Ebay
advised me after the very first item not received case as I've outlined.
The usual stuff about 'You need not worry etc'. During my last chat with an
Agent I pointed this out and asked him for what reason was for not applying
the Simple Delivery terms.

I did not know that Postage options can be selected by me. Just recently I
have excluded EVRI 'cos they do not collect and take a very long time to
deliver.

I've seen nothing and never mentioned to me by Ebay that silver coins may
be excluded.

Cheers

Sunil - annemew
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Is there a photo of the package on this page? If so, does it show the damage?

https://www.royalmail.com/track-your-item#/

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Ok - it seems as if you've uncovered something. But why have they not
stated this at any time. I see many other listings for silver coins that
are on simple delivery. To my knowledge my postal service options are : RM,
EVRI (simple del) + DHL

I don't pick these methods, I thought the buyer did that. All I've done is
recently ruled out EVRI - but no sales since then as I suspended further
operations.

It is hard to know whether they are going to rely on that or whether
something else later has superseded that - I say this because I've read
here & there that this will soon be the method of post.

I have an auction ending soon - the very last live listing. Should I
withdraw?

Cheers & TIA

Sunil
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Ebay also has statements like this "They’re fully protected for the amount they were sold for on eBay providing you post the item using the prepaid Simple Delivery label provided, comply with the eBay delivery Terms and Conditions, and properly package the item. "

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Hello  xyz307xyz

 

I've just been on the tracking page which I've used many many times and I entered the postcode to see proof of delivery.

 

Somewhat strange is that the item shown in the picture is a special delivery (fat) white envelope, whereas my package was a buff coloured jiffy bag. But the tracking information is correct that is was collected from Wimbledon where mine would originate from.

 

What does this mean, apart from another RM mistake perhaps?  FWIW , the buyer is a man but the parcels are sent to and received back from his girlfriend's name & address. Also the finger showing on the picture appears to be his finger. Earlier that day he said he knew of the delivery but was away till the next day and yet returned to message meof the missing coin in the evening. My package was delivered on the same day, so it seems likely that the RM only took one picture and delivered my package at the same time?

 

There are some other odd things happening here. Let me check on them before I post more.

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Simple Delivery - loss/theft in transit

Thank you for that reference. It will take some time to wade thru that lot.
I scanned down and there are some promising posts but may not be anything
to hang my hat on.

If Ebay behave in a way to make us take chances and lose our subsequently
they need to be made accountable, some I have yet to witness.

Cheers
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